It actually exists! An Xbox 360 controller with symmetrical analog sticks

[blankedboy]

I'm a PC/Playstation person, so... no.
What was so bad about the N64 controller, huh? It was completely fucking awesome.

Completely off centre. It takes asymmetry to a ridiculous extreme.

What I liked about it is that it had 3 completely different control schemes suited to different games, so you can hold it on the middle and right handles (for analog+buttons), the left and right handles (for d+pad + buttons), and obviously the left and middle handles, but hardly any games used that.

It doesn't matter how symmetrical it is, it looks cool and it plays cool.

 

[migo]

I'm a PC/Playstation person, so... no.
What was so bad about the N64 controller, huh? It was completely fucking awesome.

Completely off centre. It takes asymmetry to a ridiculous extreme.

What I liked about it is that it had 3 completely different control schemes suited to different games, so you can hold it on the middle and right handles (for analog+buttons), the left and right handles (for d+pad + buttons), and obviously the left and middle handles, but hardly any games used that.

It doesn't matter how symmetrical it is, it looks cool and it plays cool.

It looks cool, and sure it was a good idea, but it's just awkward holding it that way. I know some people got used to it, but I didn't like it much.

 

[Pyode]

Umm no you don't know what an opinion actually is. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion

Take a look at the related word appraisal:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/appraisal


Even your own definition does not exclude objective proofs of opinions since an estimate may be accurate.

Ha, ha, ha.

I like how you attempted to use the definition directly below the one I used in your effort to disprove me and that you conveniently ignored a key word in the definition you used.

The definition you are using said it was a "personal appraisal", not just an appraisal. This means it is an appraisal that incorporates personal biases. Which means it isn't a provable fact.

Also, my definition does "exclude objective proofs". It's right there, plain as day.

Opinion: belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

In other words, an opinion can't be completely certain or else it isn't an opinion.

 

[Pyode]

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Dude, I have been following this thread and, for the most part, you are the one trying to prove to everyone else that the 360 controller is objectively bad, not the other way around.

 

[shadow skill]

Umm no you don't know what an opinion actually is. http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/opinion

Take a look at the related word appraisal:http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/appraisal


Even your own definition does not exclude objective proofs of opinions since an estimate may be accurate.

Ha, ha, ha.

I like how you attempted to use the definition directly below the one I used in your effort to disprove me and that you conveniently ignored a key word in the definition you used.

The definition you are using said it was a "personal appraisal", not just an appraisal. This means it is an appraisal that incorporates personal biases. Which means it isn't a provable fact.

Also, my definition does "exclude objective proofs". It's right there, plain as day.

Opinion: belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.

In other words, an opinion can't be completely certain or else it isn't an opinion.

Then how do you explain medical opinions? Opinions about what a person has wrong with them are objectively proven or disproven all the time! But of course according to you medical opinions (appraisals) are not opinions....Right. The lack of certainty does not preclude objective verification of certain types of opinions.

Oh and by the way the second definition does not say "personal appraisal" it says

a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.

it merely lists a personal view as being a definition of an opinion. It doesn't mean attach the word personal to every other item listed.

 

[migo]

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Dude, I have been following this thread and, for the most part, you are the one trying to prove to everyone else that the 360 controller is objectively bad, not the other way around.

Follow it from the beginning.

 

[Pyode]

Then how do you explain medical opinions? Opinions about what a person has wrong with them are objectively proven or disproven all the time! But of course according to you medical opinions (appraisals) are not opinions....Right.

Because they aren't really opinions. They are hypotheses. A doctor looks at the symptoms a patient has and forms a hypothesis about what the patient might have based on the evidence. The doctor will then run tests to prove or disprove the hypothesis. If the hypothesis is proven false a new one will be formed based on the new evidence. Once a hypothesis is proven correct, the doctor will administer treatment appropriate for the illness.

It's called the Scientific Method. I learned this in middle school.

Doctors often use the term "medical opinion" because it is easier for most people to understand than "hypothesis".

 

[Danny Ocean]

Did anyone else find this part:

With the Cyborg Rumble Pad, you can have both. At the press of a button, you can remove the revolutionary Cyborg? module (Pat. Pending)

[small]Emphasis Mine[/small]

Really funny?

Edit: Oh, my bad. People are taking this seriously.

 

[ZippyDSMlee]

If you can;t swap left and right analog sticks its useless...even if its the superior design....

 

[bojac6]

I just want to chime in and say I find the 360 controller as is much more comfortable than the PS3 controller. It fits my hand right and the sticks/buttons line up right where I want my thumbs to go.

On another note, why do we still have controllers that are operated only with thumbs (excluding triggers)? I have three perfectly good fingertips wrapped around the bottom of the controller that could easily press well placed buttons. Then I wouldn't need to move my thumbs off of the stick when I want to press a button. That's a controller innovation. Do they make those?

 

[shadow skill]

Then how do you explain medical opinions? Opinions about what a person has wrong with them are objectively proven or disproven all the time! But of course according to you medical opinions (appraisals) are not opinions....Right.

Because they aren't really opinions. They are hypotheses. A doctor looks at the symptoms a patient has and forms a hypothesis about what the patient might have based on the evidence. The doctor will then run tests to prove or disprove the hypothesis. If the hypothesis is proven false a new one will be formed based on the new evidence. Once a hypothesis is proven correct, the doctor will administer treatment appropriate for the illness.

It's called the Scientific Method. I learned this in middle school.

Doctors often use the term "medical opinion" because it is easier for most people to understand than "hypothesis".

They use that term because a medical opinion is an appraisal of the condition of an individual. All estimates are opinions. A hypothesis is a guess, an educated guess, but still a guess. Oh and guess what a guess is synonymous with an opinion...Oh wait.

 

[shadow skill]

I just want to chime in and say I find the 360 controller as is much more comfortable than the PS3 controller. It fits my hand right and the sticks/buttons line up right where I want my thumbs to go.

On another note, why do we still have controllers that are operated only with thumbs (excluding triggers)? I have three perfectly good fingertips wrapped around the bottom of the controller that could easily press well placed buttons. Then I wouldn't need to move my thumbs off of the stick when I want to press a button. That's a controller innovation. Do they make those?

Keeping the controller stable in the hands might be a problem. I have a controller with buttons under the controller, it did not work as well as I thought it might.

 

[Pyode]

Follow it from the beginning.

No prob.

It shows how sad the state of Xbox 360 controllers is when the only pad with symmetrical analog sticks is one where the left stick and d-pad are reversible.

Right here in your original post. Why is it a bad thing that it's reversible if you aren't arguing that one way is objectively better than the other.

Everyone who talks about how the 360 controller fits perfectly is ignoring that you do more than just hold the controller, and that ergonomics have to be taken into account. The left analog stick placement is very poor ergonomically.

As for a PS3 controller for people with bigger hands - there's every sort of 3rd party controller that will accomodate the specific needs of everyone. With the 360 all the 3rd party controllers are almost exactly the same as the default one, except they're wired or require a dongle for wireless most of the time. I understand everyone has their preferences, but apparently Microsoft doesn't, and Saitek/Mad Catz are the only 3rd party peripheral maker to understand this as well.

Your second post. You start of with a sweeping generalization about the people who prefer the 360 controller, claiming that they are ignoring what you personally perceive as a problem.

You go on to imply that Microsoft is ignoring personal preference wit it's controllers when all 1st party PS3 controllers are exactly the same as well.

I don't think so, it's just coming from the original Xbox controller that was almost universally hated, people are willing to settle for anything that's slightly better with the 360. Hell, even Nintendo went for a DualShock layout with their classic controller.

This is in your fifth post (still on the fist page). You imply that the only reason people like the 360 controller is that it's better in comparison to the original Xbox controller and that because both Nintendo and Sony went symmetrical, it must mean that Microsoft is doing something wrong.

Is that enough from the beginning?

 

[bojac6]

Keeping the controller stable in the hands might be a problem. I have a controller with buttons under the controller, it did not work as well as I thought it might.

That's too bad. It seems like a good idea to me. It's just in same games, I feel like a lot of the ways the game makes it "challenging" is by making you slip between the buttons and the sticks as quick as possible (I'm looking at you, Mirror's Edge), instead of using actual in game ways to make it fun. I should never be challenged because I'm wrestling with the controls.

 

[lacktheknack]

Seeing how a few people are crowing their preferment of the PS3 controller, I'm going to go all elitist on you guys and trumpet how KEYBOARD AND MOUSE IS EPIC WIN.

<+3 flame shield>

 

[Davey Woo]

If your wrist is hurting from using a 360 controller, I think you're holding it wrong.
Never heard of anyone with wrist pains from holding ANY controller for that matter.
Anyway, I like how the 360 controller is, especially the triggers, I love the triggers.

 

[ZZoMBiE13]

Ewww

Why would you buy that?

The whole point of the Xbox controllers is that it's not like a PS3's.

I wish I could plug my 360 controller into my PS3 and get rid of their farty little things.

That's my one complaint with sony... Make a controller for the bigger handed chap

Everything this person said X2