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Assholish condescension aside, I did understand that all of that was there and still did not find it particularly subtle. If you want to argue that it involves post-apartheid rather than apartheid South Africa (I would still argue that it involves both), you still have a TON of imagery essentially slamming you in the head with every topic it wants to confront. The poverty is obvious as is the message regarding it, likewise the refugee situation and the culture clashes. The vast majority of it is painfully obvious assuming you've ever read a newspaper or turned on the news in the last ten years. I'm not saying that the messages are bad or that the way in which they're instantiated is bad (I would agree that, for the most part, it's pretty brilliant), I just disagree that the way in which they're instantiated is SUBTLE, and that bothered me a little bit despite how much I enjoyed the rest of the film.Treblaine said:
As for Avatar, I found it refreshing that they didn't explain what Unobtanium was. It was clear that it was valuable and that it had some ecological significance. I see no reason why the plot required anything more than that. I'm never a fan of pointless exposition in films like Avatar and there was no reason that we needed to know what it does. Also, I'm not sure that we WEREN'T given some indication of what it does. There's a ton of it in the floating mountain things and the little piece in the office was all floaty, so that's some evidence of special properties right there. And it consistently screwed up detection too. As for the tree, my point still stands. One place that conforms well to the type I was describing is Mount Taylor. The mountain is a sacred site in Navajo religion and also happens to be the site of massive deposits of uranium and vanadium. People just happened to choose a mountain that just so happened to be on top of valuable mineral deposits as a sacred site.
Given how architecturally complex the tree was, I also got the impression that it was intentionally grown and shaped that way, though that was just my impression.
Yeah that sucked, I remember seeing it for the first time at the shops and thinking "YAY! New book!" then I read the blurb....yeah that turned me off faster than a light bulb...Echer123 said:
Hmmm, never heard about that before - it seems a little odd to create an ambiguous ending and then answer it post-credits sequence though.Plinglebob said:
Just assuming that isn't true (because if it is then he's obviously not dreaming), then the evidence for him being in a dream seems to outweigh the evidence that he isn't. For example, when he spins the top and looks up his kids are in the exact same place as in his dream, and wearing the same clothes.
Then there's the matter of how they kicked themselves out of limbo: if three layers of dream means you can't kill yourself to wake up and puts you in limbo in the first place, then killing yourself in limbo surely won't work.
When they wake up on the plane too (and when he leaves the airport) it's a very idyllic, dreamy sequence. It's not unrealistic or anyhting, but it has the quality about it.
Then there's the matter of how they kicked themselves out of limbo: if three layers of dream means you can't kill yourself to wake up and puts you in limbo in the first place, then killing yourself in limbo surely won't work.
When they wake up on the plane too (and when he leaves the airport) it's a very idyllic, dreamy sequence. It's not unrealistic or anyhting, but it has the quality about it.
Anyway, that's my reasoning for it all.
Gotta agree with ya on that one, plus, there were only nine Ringwraiths, who knows how many eagles there were? I'm guessing a zillion, in conparison, of course.IcyEvils said:
I've gotta hand it to Gandalf, he really screwed the pooch on that one. Even with Sauron LOOKING at them, even if they flew in with, say twenty or so eagles, they still could have basically strolled up to Mt. Doom, dropped the ring in and been back in the shire for tea and biscuits.
