It's Against my Religion

[Eldritch Warlord]

i am a catholic and as a result i strongly believe the catholic church is the right one
considering we were the original church and wrote the bible and got authority from the historical Jesus Christ
however splinter christian groups had their OWN OPINIONS which led to the fall of many
man has no right to decide WHO god is
i think the splinter christian groups stemmed from man wanting to be their own god

Sorry but no. Jesus never instituted a church, only a new set of teachings. The original Christians formed no organized church but rather an underground group that followed the teachings of Jesus and others united mostly by their belief in Christ as a savior and their dislike of the corrupt and greedy Roman Empire.

The Catholic church was founded by Emperor Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus (Constantine I the Great) after his conversion to Christianity about 300 years after Christ was crucified. The Catholic church was as much a political organization as a spiritual one, many of its practices and teachings were developed (ie not found in any prior Christian texts or teachings and more or less made up by a counsel of founders) as a means to control and pacify people as well as gather wealth for the church in order to expand its power and influence.

The Protestant movement was born of people rebelling against the control and wealth of the Catholic church, they wanted to worship God in their own way and the way some elderly priest (who probably had as much or more interest in keeping himself a supreme arbiter of European affairs housed in one of its largest and grandest palaces as delivering the good word of God) in Rome told them. In other words, men not wanting a man to be God.

Whether or not you believe that any of these people were messengers from God is up to you but Catholicism is NOT the original Christianity as a point of historical fact. As another point of fact the Catholic church is and has been for hundreds of years the wealthiest and most profitable institution on Earth.

To put it simply, read up before you start claiming "facts."

 

[mattttherman3]

It is, but it also depends on what that is, if you refuse your kid a life saving blood transfusion because it is agaisnt your religion, and if the kid wants to live, then there is a problem.

 

[iseko]

If it's really against your religion fine by me. But then don't bother men of science with anything. Place your thrust in your god and die when your 30.

 

[Dele]

It's only a valid excuse if it's an actual religion. If you just say it's against your religion because you don't want to do something ("I can't clean the apartment it's against my religion") then no, it's nothing near a valid excuse.

Define 'actual religion'

 

[moranic]

i am a catholic and as a result i strongly believe the catholic church is the right one
considering we were the original church and wrote the bible and got authority from the historical Jesus Christ
however splinter christian groups had their OWN OPINIONS which led to the fall of many
man has no right to decide WHO god is
i think the splinter christian groups stemmed from man wanting to be their own god

Sorry but no. Jesus never instituted a church, only a new set of teachings. The original Christians formed no organized church but rather an underground group that followed the teachings of Jesus and others united mostly by their belief in Christ as a savior and their dislike of the corrupt and greedy Roman Empire.

The Catholic church was founded by Emperor Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus (Constantine I the Great) after his conversion to Christianity about 300 years after Christ was crucified. The Catholic church was as much a political organization as a spiritual one, many of its practices and teachings were developed (ie not found in any prior Christian texts or teachings and more or less made up by a counsel of founders) as a means to control and pacify people as well as gather wealth for the church in order to expand its power and influence.

The Protestant movement was born of people rebelling against the control and wealth of the Catholic church, they wanted to worship God in their own way and the way some elderly priest (who probably had as much or more interest in keeping himself a supreme arbiter of European affairs housed in one of its largest and grandest palaces as delivering the good word of God) in Rome told them. In other words, men not wanting a man to be God.

Whether or not you believe that any of these people were messengers from God is up to you but Catholicism is NOT the original Christianity as a point of historical fact. As another point of fact the Catholic church is and has been for hundreds of years the wealthiest and most profitable institution on Earth.

To put it simply, read up before you start claiming "facts."

Jesus put Peter in charge and many of the practices practiced in Peter's time has been carried over today. And the protestant movement could not accept the authority from the successor of St. peter. Protestantism is based on the bible
the catholic church is based on scripture, Holy spirit and tradition
after all the bible did not come BEFORE the forming of the early church and thus cannot be the basis of the forming of a 'religion'
Also the church wasn't founded by Constantine
he simply allowed it to be tolerated
so you should be the one doing the researching

and to think protestantism was the original LOL
it was formed in 1571 by Martin Luther and is based on the bible, and the justification by FAITH ALONE
wrong again
Jesus said we must all be perfect and just 'believing; is not enough
you are obviously a splinter group who found it hard to keep the commandments so you make your own

''scholars agree that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus and that the historical record confirms that it was considered a Christian doctrinal authority from its beginning''

protestantism is a denomination and thus will not last
hopefully you my lost brother finds the truth before your judgment
don't tell God you didn't know

 

[xitel]

It's only a valid excuse if it's an actual religion. If you just say it's against your religion because you don't want to do something ("I can't clean the apartment it's against my religion") then no, it's nothing near a valid excuse.

Define 'actual religion'

A religion you actually follow. I was referring to someone that has no religious beliefs, but when they need an excuse they say my religion forbids it. But if you truly believe in that religion then yes, it's a valid argument.

 

[sidhe3141]

i am a catholic and as a result i strongly believe the catholic church is the right one
considering we were the original church and wrote the bible and got authority from the historical Jesus Christ
however splinter christian groups had their OWN OPINIONS which led to the fall of many
man has no right to decide WHO god is
i think the splinter christian groups stemmed from man wanting to be their own god

Sorry but no. Jesus never instituted a church, only a new set of teachings. The original Christians formed no organized church but rather an underground group that followed the teachings of Jesus and others united mostly by their belief in Christ as a savior and their dislike of the corrupt and greedy Roman Empire.

The Catholic church was founded by Emperor Flavius Valerius Aurelius Constantinus (Constantine I the Great) after his conversion to Christianity about 300 years after Christ was crucified. The Catholic church was as much a political organization as a spiritual one, many of its practices and teachings were developed (ie not found in any prior Christian texts or teachings and more or less made up by a counsel of founders) as a means to control and pacify people as well as gather wealth for the church in order to expand its power and influence.

The Protestant movement was born of people rebelling against the control and wealth of the Catholic church, they wanted to worship God in their own way and the way some elderly priest (who probably had as much or more interest in keeping himself a supreme arbiter of European affairs housed in one of its largest and grandest palaces as delivering the good word of God) in Rome told them. In other words, men not wanting a man to be God.

Whether or not you believe that any of these people were messengers from God is up to you but Catholicism is NOT the original Christianity as a point of historical fact. As another point of fact the Catholic church is and has been for hundreds of years the wealthiest and most profitable institution on Earth.

To put it simply, read up before you start claiming "facts."

Jesus put Peter in charge and many of the practices practiced in Peter's time has been carried over today. And the protestant movement could not accept the authority from the successor of St. peter. Protestantism is based on the bible
the catholic church is based on scripture, Holy spirit and tradition
after all the bible did not come BEFORE the forming of the early church and thus cannot be the basis of the forming of a 'religion'

''scholars agree that the Catholic Church was founded by Jesus and that the historical record confirms that it was considered a Christian doctrinal authority from its beginning''

protestantism is a denomination and thus will not last
hopefully you my lost brother finds the truth before your judgment
don't tell God you didn't know

Let's not bicker and argue over who picked the "right" religion. That's not what this thread's for.
I say that it's fine for you to say that something that affects only you (blood transfusions, x-rays, etc.) is against your religion. But as soon as you start dragging someone else into it, it's no longer just you and therefore no longer OK.

 

[kaiZie]

i think it's bull if you use religion as an excuse. It's fine by me if it's a real reason, like only eating certain things or whatever but just because your "afraid" to get something done is not an excuse to bring religion into things. Now, i'm a true atheist and don't tend to have faith in anything, and as such in no part of my life would i ever in any circumstance use religion, real or not, to get out of something. You don't get arrested and say you can't go to court cause it's against your religion, if you did you'd be made to go regardless. It's just a cop out if you ask me.

 

[moranic]

i have a saying
don't hate the sinner but hate the sin
don't hate gays etc but hate what they're doing

 

[Lord George]

i have a saying
don't hate the sinner but hate the sin
don't hate gays etc but hate what they're doing

So can I hate the Christian church and all the evil and hatred it has caused throughout its bloody history in the name of an imaginary friend in the sky and a middle eastern carpenter, but be friends with people who keep following this mad religion I think I can do that.

But more on topic I think that people use religion far too often as an excuse or scapegoat for things that they do and in today's world of political correctness and lawsuits people cannot argue or attack religions. Like all the preachers who get away with there hate speech and prejudices against Gays because its right according to there religion. I hate people like that who are self righteous, judgemental and first to throw the stone

 

[moranic]

i have a saying
don't hate the sinner but hate the sin
don't hate gays etc but hate what they're doing

So can I hate the Christian church and all the evil and hatred it has caused throughout its bloody history in the name of an imaginary friend in the sky and a middle eastern carpenter, but be friends with people who keep following this mad religion I think I can do that.

'hate people like that who are self righteous, judgemental and first to throw the stone'
then you should review your own actions
you're arrogant and in some cases a member of the church is not a good example, however, that may not necessarily make the church bad. It depends on the religions teachings.

i hope you figure out before its too late

 

[Dele]

It's only a valid excuse if it's an actual religion. If you just say it's against your religion because you don't want to do something ("I can't clean the apartment it's against my religion") then no, it's nothing near a valid excuse.

Define 'actual religion'

A religion you actually follow. I was referring to someone that has no religious beliefs, but when they need an excuse they say my religion forbids it. But if you truly believe in that religion then yes, it's a valid argument.

And how would it be verified if one truly believes or not?

 

[October Country]

I don't think religion is a valid excuse to avoid things, I don't see why it is always put on this mighty pedestal and cannot be questioned the slightest. Don't get me wrong, I respect peoples' right to decide for themselves whether they want to have X-rays or wear a veil, but that's because I believe in free will. I don't like the fact that someone just can say that something is against their religion and then not get bothered about it. Why don't people have the same attitude about science as they do about religion, that is: be able to question it without fear of reprisal.

 

[Berndawg69]

My environmental science teacher is paranoid about anything bad for you or the earth, and refuses to get X-rays because of radiation/increased chance of cancer so whenever he went to the dentist they would always try to press him to get X-rays and get in a 20 minute fight until a few years later he told them it was against his religion and they never asked him about it again.

Is religion a valid excuse to avoid things? Also what's to stop people from making up lies about their religion (or creating fake ones), because my teacher is christian and their is nothing in the bible saying you cannot get X-rays. Is it different if it is part of their true religion such as the "Should Muslim women remove their veil in stores?" thread?

is there such thing as a real religion, what a laugh.

 

[Booze Zombie]

i have a saying
don't hate the sinner but hate the sin
don't hate gays etc but hate what they're doing

So can I hate the Christian church and all the evil and hatred it has caused throughout its bloody history in the name of an imaginary friend in the sky and a middle eastern carpenter, but be friends with people who keep following this mad religion I think I can do that.

'hate people like that who are self righteous, judgemental and first to throw the stone'
then you should review your own actions
you're arrogant and in some cases a member of the church is not a good example, however, that may not necessarily make the church bad. It depends on the religions teachings.

i hope you figure out before its too late

You realise how arrogant you yourself sound, correct? You believe something, that doesn't make it right. I believe sometihng, that doesn't make it right.

A belief doesn't actually exist, so it can never be right. Something needs to exist to be "right" or "wrong" in relation to reallity. A belief is in your mind, most would prefer you keep it there.

 

[Berndawg69]

i dont go to church anymore, because of how many hypocrites go too, i'll only go for entertainment like going to a movie, religions only good for storytelling nowadays

 

[Berndawg69]

i have a saying
don't hate the sinner but hate the sin
don't hate gays etc but hate what they're doing

So can I hate the Christian church and all the evil and hatred it has caused throughout its bloody history in the name of an imaginary friend in the sky and a middle eastern carpenter, but be friends with people who keep following this mad religion I think I can do that.

'hate people like that who are self righteous, judgemental and first to throw the stone'
then you should review your own actions
you're arrogant and in some cases a member of the church is not a good example, however, that may not necessarily make the church bad. It depends on the religions teachings.

i hope you figure out before its too late

You realise how arrogant you yourself sound, correct? You believe something, that doesn't make it right. I believe sometihng, that doesn't make it right.

A belief doesn't actually exist, so it can never be right. Something needs to exist to be "right" or "wrong" in relation to reallity. A belief is in your mind, most would prefer you keep it there.

a "belief" exists in itself, a Belief is a Noun, making it a thing, giving it existence, it just isn't "Tangible" thats what i BELIEVE you were trying to say

 

[Booze Zombie]

a "belief" exists in itself, a Belief is a Noun, making it a thing, giving it existence, it just isn't "Tangible" thats what i BELIEVE you were trying to say

Sigh... the word of believe exists, but the believing is of the mind, but if it can be real then you KNOW it will exist.