It's just rock and roll and I hate it

[ROBOcity123]

We have come into an age that has seen the expansion of virtually every conceivable product into a global market. Advertising is everywhere, a lot of the time people get the impression that they are being cataloged and controlled to purchase a product. I'm going to tell you that 50,000 screaming fans are right...

I'm going to use a metaphor here. One of rock and roll; The Beatles, Elvis and The Rolling Stones. As most of you may not know rock and roll got it's roots in mostly African American jazz bands. Appalachian music, Blues and contemporary jazz (source Wikipedia). Elvis himself was a carbon copy of ragtime bands and others. Rock and roll was the most despised form of music, one because it was controversial due to it's beat and timbre was simply too much for the clean cut conservative peace loving folk of the 1940's and 50's. It was seen as more for the teens and some even boycotted rock and roll to the point of frenzy. Frank Sinatra wrote of Elvis Presley: " [His] music is made by cretinous goons [signing] sly, lewd, in plain fact, dirty lyrics. It manages to be the martial music of every... delinquent on the face of the earth. It is the most brutal, ugly, desperate, vicous form of expression it has been my misfortune to hear."

But rock and roll is the highest selling form of music on the planet and Elvis is know as 'The King', The Stones and The Beatles are legends. I hate to point this out but World of Warcraft and Starcraft are Rock and roll. They are The Beatles and The Stones, and the Elvis for the kids of today. We can't deny the cultural impact World of Warcraft has made on the younger generation, specifically the teens. Those rebellious hate-filled-spoilt-teens. It's not surprising that there are a lot of people that choose to avoid it and say they hate it. Because they don't want change, they don't want rock and roll. They want the classics, because the more people like something the less classy it is. Am I right?

Wrong. World of Warcraft is rocking my world I can't get enough of it, and I'm sure when I get over my fear of conforming I will come to love Starcraft too.

 

[Gigathrash]

...But what's your point?

Seriously, you make a good argument, and I agree with it, but...

So?

 

[sketch_zeppelin]

um thats kind of a radical leap of logic. World of Warcraft and especially Star Craft are hardly looked down as vile by conservatives at best there looked at on a similar level of D&D, though i should point out that D&D used to be thought of as a gateway to devil worship and drug use so that makes D&D even more notrious.

i won't deny these are popular games...but i don't think you metaphore holds up...nice research on the rock history though.

 

[BlumiereBleck]

Pop music sells the most? OH and you forgot to mention the man that defines music

 

[Savagezion]

"It's not surprising that there are a lot of people that choose to avoid it and say they hate it. Because they don't want change, they don't want rock and roll. They want the classics, because the more people like something the less classy it is. Am I right?"

No, you're not even close. Most people that hate WoW, hate it because it is unimaginative and an exploitation. WoW changed nothing. It wasn't revolutionary except perhaps in the marketing department. Which, ironically, is how your post started. WoW = Elvis or the Stones, hell no. WoW = The Beatles, maybe. Starcraft could possibly be the Stones.

Class has nothing to do with this. It is trends. There are people who avoid trends like the plague to avoid getting mixed up with a "bad one" (New Kids on the Block) which we all know makes you "not cool". If you hate every trend, and then one manages to stick around, it is ok to like it. But the problem these people have is they are actually sitting around waiting for someone to tell them what to like. Look at all the people who look to Yahtzee on these forums for guidance on what is ok to like and what is not. It is more than "cool" to like a trend IMO. It is bad to be "trendy" or go the opposite route and say all trends suck. As both of those leave you as someone who is to afraid to make up your own mind. Don't fear conforming, don't even acknowledge it. As that same fear still leads to conformity. The conformity of the anti-conformist. That you just want to be different, just like everyone else.

 

[ROBOcity123]

"It's not surprising that there are a lot of people that choose to avoid it and say they hate it. Because they don't want change, they don't want rock and roll. They want the classics, because the more people like something the less classy it is. Am I right?"

No, you're not even close. Most people that hate WoW, hate it because it is unimaginative and an exploitation. WoW changed nothing. It wasn't revolutionary except perhaps in the marketing department. Which, ironically, is how your post started. WoW = Elvis or the Stones, hell no. WoW = The Beatles, maybe. Starcraft could possibly be the Stones.

Class has nothing to do with this. It is trends. There are people who avoid trends like the plague to avoid getting mixed up with a "bad one" (New Kids on the Block) which we all know makes you "not cool". If you hate every trend, and then one manages to stick around, it is ok to like it. But the problem these people have is they are actually sitting around waiting for someone to tell them what to like. Look at all the people who look to Yahtzee on these forums for guidance on what is ok to like and what is not. It is more than "cool" to like a trend IMO. It is bad to be "trendy" or go the opposite route and say all trends suck. As both of those leave you as someone who is to afraid to make up your own mind. Don't fear conforming, don't even acknowledge it. As that same fear still leads to conformity. The conformity of the anti-conformist. That you just want to be different, just like everyone else.

Don't acknowledge conformity to not conform? I think Timothy Leary said it best when he said: "Think for yourself, question authority". The only true conformist are the people that accept everything for the way it is and never question it.

World of Warcraft is a great game and in a large cesspool of broken competition it still remains the best, argue what you will...But I'm still paying for it. I heard of people playing DAOC and other MMO"s simply because wow is popular. To everyone else as well...Think of how non conformist wow truly is just sit back and imagine a wow player. Is he a model citizen?

 

[Hstgonzo]

"It's not surprising that there are a lot of people that choose to avoid it and say they hate it. Because they don't want change, they don't want rock and roll. They want the classics, because the more people like something the less classy it is. Am I right?"

No, you're not even close. Most people that hate WoW, hate it because it is unimaginative and an exploitation. WoW changed nothing. It wasn't revolutionary except perhaps in the marketing department. Which, ironically, is how your post started. WoW = Elvis or the Stones, hell no. WoW = The Beatles, maybe. Starcraft could possibly be the Stones.

Class has nothing to do with this. It is trends. There are people who avoid trends like the plague to avoid getting mixed up with a "bad one" (New Kids on the Block) which we all know makes you "not cool". If you hate every trend, and then one manages to stick around, it is ok to like it. But the problem these people have is they are actually sitting around waiting for someone to tell them what to like. Look at all the people who look to Yahtzee on these forums for guidance on what is ok to like and what is not. It is more than "cool" to like a trend IMO. It is bad to be "trendy" or go the opposite route and say all trends suck. As both of those leave you as someone who is to afraid to make up your own mind. Don't fear conforming, don't even acknowledge it. As that same fear still leads to conformity. The conformity of the anti-conformist. That you just want to be different, just like everyone else.

Don't acknowledge conformity to not conform? I think Timothy Leary said it best when he said: "Think for yourself, question authority". The only true conformist are the people that accept everything for the way it is and never question it.

World of Warcraft is a great game and in a large cesspool of broken competition it still remains the best, argue what you will...But I'm still paying for it. I heard of people playing DAOC and other MMO"s simply because wow is popular. To everyone else as well...Think of how non conformist wow truly is just sit back and imagine a wow player. Is he a model citizen?

Dude what the hell? How can something with 8 million players be a hardcore edgy, revolutionary thing? I'll admit Warcraft is the Best at what it does (Wolverine aside), but frankly I played to level 20 and got bored. It doesn't mean I'm some part of 'The Man' trying to bring down 'Da Kids' who engage in this hardcore, underground activity.
And btw-Bank managers, Cops, Two Lawyers a Judge and multiple students in all strands of academia from Drama to English to Physics. These are all people I know who play WoW.
Kinda hard to be all 'FUCK TH' POLICE' when the police are right beside you going 'Yeah Fuck 'em!'

 

[ROBOcity123]

I support wow for the main reason that Blizzard are pioneers of a digital revolution. Blizzard have demonstrated the value of video games to the media, they have established wow as a potent form of income. I remember if you told your parents that you wanted to make video games they would laugh in your face and now I recently heard of parents even paying for someone to learn how to do it. Personally though I enjoy the game but it makes you stupid, fat and boring. The conformist in me will always feel that way, just like the old man tells me that rock and roll "will rot your brain".

Are video games destroying the minds of the youth? Or are we all so scared of change that we can't convince ourselves otherwise.

 

[ROBOcity123]

"It's not surprising that there are a lot of people that choose to avoid it and say they hate it. Because they don't want change, they don't want rock and roll. They want the classics, because the more people like something the less classy it is. Am I right?"

No, you're not even close. Most people that hate WoW, hate it because it is unimaginative and an exploitation. WoW changed nothing. It wasn't revolutionary except perhaps in the marketing department. Which, ironically, is how your post started. WoW = Elvis or the Stones, hell no. WoW = The Beatles, maybe. Starcraft could possibly be the Stones.

Class has nothing to do with this. It is trends. There are people who avoid trends like the plague to avoid getting mixed up with a "bad one" (New Kids on the Block) which we all know makes you "not cool". If you hate every trend, and then one manages to stick around, it is ok to like it. But the problem these people have is they are actually sitting around waiting for someone to tell them what to like. Look at all the people who look to Yahtzee on these forums for guidance on what is ok to like and what is not. It is more than "cool" to like a trend IMO. It is bad to be "trendy" or go the opposite route and say all trends suck. As both of those leave you as someone who is to afraid to make up your own mind. Don't fear conforming, don't even acknowledge it. As that same fear still leads to conformity. The conformity of the anti-conformist. That you just want to be different, just like everyone else.

Don't acknowledge conformity to not conform? I think Timothy Leary said it best when he said: "Think for yourself, question authority". The only true conformist are the people that accept everything for the way it is and never question it.

World of Warcraft is a great game and in a large cesspool of broken competition it still remains the best, argue what you will...But I'm still paying for it. I heard of people playing DAOC and other MMO"s simply because wow is popular. To everyone else as well...Think of how non conformist wow truly is just sit back and imagine a wow player. Is he a model citizen?

Dude what the hell? How can something with 8 million players be a hardcore edgy, revolutionary thing? I'll admit Warcraft is the Best at what it does (Wolverine aside), but frankly I played to level 20 and got bored. It doesn't mean I'm some part of 'The Man' trying to bring down 'Da Kids' who engage in this hardcore, underground activity.
And btw-Bank managers, Cops, Two Lawyers a Judge and multiple students in all strands of academia from Drama to English to Physics. These are all people I know who play WoW.
Kinda hard to be all 'FUCK TH' POLICE' when the police are right beside you going 'Yeah Fuck 'em!'

Watch a youtube video on "fourteen year old addicted to wow" by Today Tonight and you will see the point. What your describing is an anarchistic song about killing law enforcement. I'm describing a change in social habits and behavior. Completely different.

 

[Hstgonzo]

I support wow for the main reason that Blizzard are pioneers of a digital revolution. Blizzard have demonstrated the value of video games to the media, they have established wow as a potent form of income. I remember if you told your parents that you wanted to make video games they would laugh in your face and now I recently heard of parents even paying for someone to learn how to do it. Personally though I enjoy the game but it makes you stupid, fat and boring. The conformist in me will always feel that way, just like the old man tells me that rock and roll "will rot your brain".

Are video games destroying the minds of the youth? Or are we all so scared of change that we can't convince ourselves otherwise.

But I'm sure most people here are of the mindset that Rock and Roll is ok and games don't rot your brain.
We know playing WoW doesn't instantlly turn you into a morbidly obese, neckbearded spot farm. Yeah, they may exist but no stereotype arsies without one paragon of it.
I'm not 100% sure what you're saying-That you're torn between liking and disliking WoW because you're afarid it'll turn you into Harry Knowles minus the Wookie-esque charm?

 

[ROBOcity123]

"It's not surprising that there are a lot of people that choose to avoid it and say they hate it. Because they don't want change, they don't want rock and roll. They want the classics, because the more people like something the less classy it is. Am I right?"

No, you're not even close. Most people that hate WoW, hate it because it is unimaginative and an exploitation. WoW changed nothing. It wasn't revolutionary except perhaps in the marketing department. Which, ironically, is how your post started. WoW = Elvis or the Stones, hell no. WoW = The Beatles, maybe. Starcraft could possibly be the Stones.

Class has nothing to do with this. It is trends. There are people who avoid trends like the plague to avoid getting mixed up with a "bad one" (New Kids on the Block) which we all know makes you "not cool". If you hate every trend, and then one manages to stick around, it is ok to like it. But the problem these people have is they are actually sitting around waiting for someone to tell them what to like. Look at all the people who look to Yahtzee on these forums for guidance on what is ok to like and what is not. It is more than "cool" to like a trend IMO. It is bad to be "trendy" or go the opposite route and say all trends suck. As both of those leave you as someone who is to afraid to make up your own mind. Don't fear conforming, don't even acknowledge it. As that same fear still leads to conformity. The conformity of the anti-conformist. That you just want to be different, just like everyone else.

Don't acknowledge conformity to not conform? I think Timothy Leary said it best when he said: "Think for yourself, question authority". The only true conformist are the people that accept everything for the way it is and never question it.

World of Warcraft is a great game and in a large cesspool of broken competition it still remains the best, argue what you will...But I'm still paying for it. I heard of people playing DAOC and other MMO"s simply because wow is popular. To everyone else as well...Think of how non conformist wow truly is just sit back and imagine a wow player. Is he a model citizen?

Dude what the hell? How can something with 8 million players be a hardcore edgy, revolutionary thing? I'll admit Warcraft is the Best at what it does (Wolverine aside), but frankly I played to level 20 and got bored. It doesn't mean I'm some part of 'The Man' trying to bring down 'Da Kids' who engage in this hardcore, underground activity.
And btw-Bank managers, Cops, Two Lawyers a Judge and multiple students in all strands of academia from Drama to English to Physics. These are all people I know who play WoW.
Kinda hard to be all 'FUCK TH' POLICE' when the police are right beside you going 'Yeah Fuck 'em!'

Watch a Today Tonight clip on Youtube about a 14 year old kid addicted to wow and see what I mean. I think the song your describing is "Cop killer" by Icecube. I'm talking about something fairly lite in comparison if I was going to discuss true bloody revolution I would...

 

[ROBOcity123]

Sorry double post.

 

[Eri]

I don't get it?
people aren't playing wow because it's "hip".
people aren't playing aren't because they don't like the game.
that's exactly why i don't play it, because it sucks.

Considering it's the best mmo, it doesn't suck. And it's not even opinion, they have more subscriber's than any non free mmo. By default it wins.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Popular things make money, them being popular doesn't make them bad or good, it's just makes them profitable.

Considering it's the best mmo, it doesn't suck. And it's not even opinion, they have more subscriber's than any non free mmo. By default it wins.

This is what is apparently known as a logical fallacy, a lot of people liking something is no proof of quality.
It is, however, proof of demand.

Blizzard simply got there first.

 

[ROBOcity123]

I support wow for the main reason that Blizzard are pioneers of a digital revolution. Blizzard have demonstrated the value of video games to the media, they have established wow as a potent form of income. I remember if you told your parents that you wanted to make video games they would laugh in your face and now I recently heard of parents even paying for someone to learn how to do it. Personally though I enjoy the game but it makes you stupid, fat and boring. The conformist in me will always feel that way, just like the old man tells me that rock and roll "will rot your brain".

Are video games destroying the minds of the youth? Or are we all so scared of change that we can't convince ourselves otherwise.

But I'm sure most people here are of the mindset that Rock and Rolli sok and games don't rot your brain.
We know playing WoW doesn't instantllyturn you into a morbidly obese, neckbearded spot farm. Yeah, they may exist but no stereotype arsies without one paragon of it.
I'm not 100% sure what you're saying-That you're torn between liking and disliking WoW because you're afarid it'll turn you into Harry Knowles minus the Wookie-esque charm?

Yeah pretty much. The conformist wants to have a perfect body and be smart and committed to life (play for 2 hours or less). But the kid (the rebel) wants to punch in 6 maybe 8 hours of playtime, he wants to go FUCK IT! Fuck time, girlfriends, study, work, family, all that shit. But I never will...You see my point though.

 

[Hstgonzo]

Sorry double post.

You could have just re-edited your second post to prevent a triple post.

So you're talking about the perception of videogaming in the media? If so then yes, I can see some points that make sense but your OP doesn't really convey that-it comes out more that you think anyone who doesn't like WoW is just one of those 'Nazi Cheerleader conformists'.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_V2oayrdgo

 

[lizards]

huh?

its a matter of taste, i dont like playing mmos, so........i dont
i like the steve millar band and van halen, so........i listen to them

i dont get what your trying to say and it seems to be oriented towards "LEAVE WOW ALONE, ITS SO TALENTED AND YOUR JUST MAD BECAUSE YOUR NOT AS GOOD WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA" im hoping everyone gets that reference

 

[ROBOcity123]

Allow me to highlight all the assertions in that one.

We have come into an age that has seen the expansion of virtually every conceivable product into a global market. Advertising is everywhere, a lot of the time people get the impression that they are being cataloged and controlled to purchase a product. I'm going to tell you that 50,000 screaming fans are right...

I'm going to use a metaphor here. One of rock and roll; The Beatles, Elvis and The Rolling Stones. As most of you may not know rock and roll got it's roots in mostly African American jazz bands. Appalachian music, Blues and contemporary jazz (source Wikipedia). Elvis himself was a carbon copy of ragtime bands and others. Rock and roll was the most despised form of music, one because it was controversial due to it's beat and timbre was simply too much for the clean cut conservative peace loving folk of the 1940's and 50's. It was seen as more for the teens and some even boycotted rock and roll to the point of frenzy. Frank Sinatra wrote of Elvis Presley: " [His] music is made by cretinous goons [signing] sly, lewd, in plain fact, dirty lyrics. It manages to be the martial music of every... delinquent on the face of the earth. It is the most brutal, ugly, desperate, vicous form of expression it has been my misfortune to hear."

But rock and roll is the highest selling form of music on the planet and Elvis is know as 'The King', The Stones and The Beatles are legends. I hate to point this out but World of Warcraft and Starcraft are Rock and roll. They are The Beatles and The Stones, and the Elvis for the kids of today. We can't deny the cultural impact World of Warcraft has made on the younger generation, specifically the teens. Those rebellious hate-filled-spoilt-teens. It's not surprising that there are a lot of people that choose to avoid it and say they hate it. Because they don't want change, they don't want rock and roll. They want the classics, because the more people like something the less classy it is. Am I right?

Wrong. World of Warcraft is rocking my world I can't get enough of it, and I'm sure when I get over my fear of conforming I will come to love Starcraft too.

Maybe try and look at this from a different point of view, hmm? There seem to be a lot of holes in your theory.

If you pick apart a piece of fruit you get holes. Please be more specific.