Kopikatsu said:
SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
Police brutality that isnt actually happening?
LOL. Just laugh out fucking loud. You are a thousand times more delusional than the stupidest wall street protester, OP.
Because obviously police aren't allowed to defend themselves. If someone hits them, they should stand there and do nothing.
The moped thing was staged. (And he wasn't a protestor. He was a legal observer)
The two women who were pepper sprayed...don't know the story behind that, but it's fucking pepper spray. You're fine after like half an hour.
You get over it.
Call me when the police start firing live rounds into groups of protestors. Then we'll talk.
The 'story' behind the pepper spay thing was that these women had been backed into a corner and separated from the rest of the protesters. They were in no position to be a threat to anyone and even if they were they weren't trying anything. The Police then suddenly decide to pepper spray them both for no reason. I don't care if the effects go away after a while, pepper spray is nasty shit and I somehow doubt that you have ever felt it if you're so keen to shrug it off as nothing. They were causing two defenseless people intense pain just for kicks. That's not just Police brutality, that's torture.
Rule Britannia said:
The whole occupy wall street is the dumbest shit.
"That guy has more money than me, it's not fair!" well he kinda worked for it.
"They are the ones that ruined the economy" well not really they may have started it but everybody contributed to it.
You are greatly over-simplifying arguments in order to make the opposite greatly over simplified arguments. Yes, the protest won't achieve anything unless there is a clear direction over what the protesters want to achieve, and at the moment there isn't. It is also a possibility that there are people taking part who do genuinely have motivations as shallow as you describe, but that's is far from the case for all of them.
Let's take it from the top. "Well, he kinda worked for it." Correction,
some of them worked for it. There are just as many others, particularly in government and the banking sector, who got their jobs and their huge salaries not because they were the best qualified, not because they were the hardest worker, but because they had connections. They could attend the right parties, schmooze the right people, and drop the right names, while people more talented than them get to continue sitting on the scrap heap because they didn't get a leg-up. Believe me, there's nothing that annoys me more than laziness, but even I have to admit that when you're born in the wrong neighborhood it doesn't matter how talented or ambitious you are, you're always going to be the little guy; and because big business has such a hold on government policy, they get pretty much free reign to shit on the little guy as much as they like. The protesters are right,
that isn't fair.
"They may have started it but everybody contributed to it". Yes, the culture of a 'buy now, pay later' economy existed on all levels of society. People borrowed and overspent for the sake of short term benefit without thinking about long-term implications. The financial crisis shouldn't have been a shock, it had been coming for a while and so no particular entity can hold all of the blame. However, you have to ask yourself, 'Who were the big players in propping up this system?' 'Who could have warned people to change in order to avoid this, but instead chose to bury their heads in the sand rather than give up their short-term profits?' The answer is certainly the big banks, and to a lesser extent the government. We all had a part in steering that ship, but they were on the bridge, telling us where to go, and now we have to take action to make sure they can't be allowed to have that level of control anymore.
As I said, a protest that has no clearly defined set of goals is akin to pointless whining, and trying to cause a bank panic is not a tactic that has been thought through very well. But occupy Wall St., as well as all the copycat protests that are popping up all over Europe, are symptoms of something we have been trying to deny for too long. The current systems time is up, and we need to start thinking about what direction we take next. People are at the end of their patience with governments and big businesses, and rightly so. The ideal of Capitalism may work, but the reality of it that we are facing right now is derelict, a bloated mess suffocating under the weight of its own corruption and lack of regulation. The 'free' market has failed, and if we don't start working towards a fairer system then the pendulum will end up swinging too far the other way and we'll have a Communist revolution across the entire western world on our hands.
