It's only sexist when Men do it?

[Sizzle Montyjing]

Really guys? Hundreds of years of supremacy and you are moaning if some vacuous tarts on a crappy talk show laugh at you.

Funny, I never experienced a hundreds of years of supremacy. I was born in a time when it was okay for women to laugh when men get seriously assaulted. So excuse me for being a little peeved by double standards and inequality.

Yeah, it's pretty annoying when people do stuff like that.
Like when people say 'oh, but you enslaved my kind'
I'm like, 'well that is incredibly tragic, but i didn't do it. I was born in 1994, blame my ancestors but don't blame me!
BTW i just want to make sure that it is horrible all the stuff that my gender and particular race have done over the years, me being white, male and british.
I'm just saying don't blame me.

 

[Kuroneko97]

Strangely, I was having a thought about this earlier today.

I don't remember all of my thoughts, but I do remember that this is why I like to watch Deadly Women. I'd love to go into a feminist meeting and show an episode, and see how they can blame this on the man. In one episode, two little ol' ladies got homeless people to sign wills to them, and then they would hit-and-run- them. Another woman would poison her victims, bury them in her backyard, and take their cash. Obviously, they went to jail.

Get mad at me for this, but I don't think there should be a law against hitting women. Yes, I know women are generally weaker than men, but then why is there no law about THEM hitting men? I know it's harder for them to do so, but what about those women who rape men? What, do they say THEY were the ones raped? Why do women always get the children in a divorce? That makes me feel bad, because if I got married, and then got divorced when I have children, it wouldn't be fair if my ex-husband didn't even have a fighting chance. This is a battle, God damn it!

Yes, men are terrible, sexist, abusive, heartless, violent, greedy, illogical bastards. But so are women.

I'm going to touch on cheating now. A lot, and I mean A LOT of men cheat on their girlfriends and wives. I see it on the new all the time. Anthony Weiner, with his terribly ironic name, sexted to a woman and got done in by his wiener. Arnold Whatever-his-last-name-is had a ten year old son. Sweet Jesus. I've never heard any cases of wives cheating on television, though. I can't remember ever hearing so. My father's cheated on my mother before, and she got revenge by cheating on him back. Yet, why is it so much more terrible when a man does it? Aren't we creatures who are made to mate? And with all this advertising for sex, why are we so surprised? I see at least five Adam & Eve commercials every day.

But I agree with this man: "This is why I can't take feminists seriously." Frankly, I'm glad that if I get a job, I'm making ANY money. I doubt J. K. Rowling was limited by the fact she was a woman; according to Wikipedia, she's the 12th richest woman as of 2008. I think more women should be glad that we can actually WORK. a hundred years from now, we had to be in the kitchen, with three babies sucking at our tits. Today, a man can be in the kitchen sometimes. We have a decent life these days. There aren't that many extremely sexist men, and let's face it; we women make sexist jokes too, and we generalize men, and we're attracted only by their bodies.

All of us are a little sexist inside. Although that's not a terrible thing, we shouldn't let it get out of hand. And please, for the love of God, someone take that fucking Sharon Osbourne off of television. She's making it look like Lorena Bobbitt was a hero.

 

[likalaruku]

Wow, it's TJ. Wasn't expecting that.

How's the poor guy supposed to pee?

America seems to have issues accepting that women can rape men. The stigma is that if a man reports being raped by a woman it means he must be weak because he couldn't overpower her & gay because he didn't enjoy being with a woman & his friends will never let him live it down.

 

[orangeban]

The thing with this dude and people like him that makes me sad, is that he sees this sexism, he objects to this sexism, but then he blames the feminists. If only we could unite and show him, don't attack the feminists, those who want to help (and we're talking about feminists who want equality with men here, not those crazy "women are the best" ones.) your cause, but instead we should do a joint attack upon the sexists who make these kinds of comments! For united we shall stand and crush those in our way for the glory of Communis... erm, I mean Equality!

 

[Alssadar]

So my solution? Get rid of all of those groups that support women's rights, men's rights, minority rights, and gay rights. And in their place, establish a group for HUMAN rights. Everybody has problems. Everybody gets looked down on sometimes for what they are. And to treat them separately is only treating the symptoms, not the cause. And the cause is closed-mindedness. We need ONE authority on equality, because in the end we want equality to be ONE thing across the board.

This I could get behind. A group dedicated to the protection of all people's rights? Count me in as a charter member

Charter me as well, my good human!

 

[orangeban]

So my solution? Get rid of all of those groups that support women's rights, men's rights, minority rights, and gay rights. And in their place, establish a group for HUMAN rights. Everybody has problems. Everybody gets looked down on sometimes for what they are. And to treat them separately is only treating the symptoms, not the cause. And the cause is closed-mindedness. We need ONE authority on equality, because in the end we want equality to be ONE thing across the board.

This I could get behind. A group dedicated to the protection of all people's rights? Count me in as a charter member

But that wouldn't work, we have all those different groups because people don't agree with each other. Let's say we put the plan into action, make one big human rights group. Then some people in society go, well I don't support *all* the things that group supports, but I do support woman's rights, so I'll set up a seperate group dedicated to that! There, and everything is back to the way it is. But also, having those seperate groups isn't bad, in fact it's much more helpful than just having all human rights groups (which do exist, and I support them as much as the others, just saying we need a combination) because they can focus on seperate areas. Also, a single group for all rights makes it easier for politicians to mess you about. Let's say this group protests about rights outside the government building. The politicians see that you want A) gay rights and B) black rights during this particular protest. The government then says, fine, lets compromise and give black people more rights, but we stay on the gay rights. There, the government then seems reasonable in the eyes of the public, as they compromised. Either the human rights group gives in to the governments compromise (which loses the respect of their members) or stays firm (which makes them seem unreasonable in the eyes of the general punter). It's a lose lose situation.

Multiple groups however can push the government on *one* issue, which forces the government to tackle that *one* issue.

 

[orangeban]

Get mad at me for this, but I don't think there should be a law against hitting women. Yes, I know women are generally weaker than men, but then why is there no law about THEM hitting men? I know it's it harder for them to do so, but what about those women who rape men? What, do they say THEY were the ones raped?

But at least Britain and the USA and I presume most other developed countries don't have laws saying you can't hit women but can hit men. Instead they have laws against assualt, which applies to all genders. Same for rape.

 

[miketehmage]

It's somewhat ironic that he drops some racism about Iran

*Edit2: Well anyway... people really love to argue and nit pick over silly things on these forums...

I think it's unfair to call it racism, since it's not at all racist, it's true. Women are treated like shit in those countries, more like property than people.

In reply to the OP: I agree with every point he made fully, I think yes some of it was over the top but it's because it's an internet video and he wants views. I think if he'd have gotten his points across without swearing his argument would have been stronger though, as he would have seemed more intelligent.

 

[orangeban]

He makes some decent points. If men did laugh at a woman being mutilated, there would be RIOTS.

These fucking idiots laugh at a guy having his penis chopped off? Apparently that's ok.

It's because feminist movements, while some claim to be pro-equality, are only really pro-equality for women.

I don't even think some of this is over the top. I think he's got valid points throughout the video.

Until now I hadn't actually seen any of the clip of the women talking about it, but Sharon Osbourne saying that it'd be different if a man chopped a woman's breasts off is horrible. I had no respect for her before and now I just fucking hate her.

I hate feminists and feminism.
They argue that they defend the rights and equality of women,
in fact they are just trying to decrease the rights and equality of men.

I really support the equality of both gender,
however feminists are no more different than conservationist macho or redneck men.

Good grief, you really should of checked your posts (both of the people I quoted) because you have made a rather hilarious blunder.

Think about it, you both say feminists are pro-equality, but only for women. Think about that statement real hard... harder... see it yet?

Here, I'll lay it out. The feminits want woman have equality, true. But to have equality, you have to be equal to something, in this case men. So feminists want women to be equal to men (well, most of them) which is the same as saying, feminists want men to be equal to women.

Oh, and by the way, I am a feminist, I am a man. For this to be compatiable either I want my gender to be subservient to women (false), I want to be a woman (false) or feminism is about equality between genders, sane feminism at least (true).

 

[urahara75]

Similar to Uriel-238's sentiments conveyed [a href="http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.302777-Its-only-sexist-when-Men-do-it?page=3"]previously[/a], I believe that the one of the only solutions that will begin to rectify US, or even whole western-world, gender relations is to truthfully implement the same social protections females receive for men.

Nice to see Sara Gilbert adding some balance and actual thought to proceedings though.

Note the irritating look of condescending faux-interest and consideration on Julie Chen's face; she made me wanna clock her in the schnoz so bad...

 

[FernandoV]

That fat ***** is so annoying. But he does make a good point, I'd be more open to listening to him though if he didn't have to scream about anything like some gluttonous screaming mound of hate.

 

[Agayek]

3.) Anyone can call them self a feminist, so if you get distracted by crazy people who call themselves feminists, you might as well go claiming Christians are the WBC or Muslims are all radicals to be consistent. Or you can use your brain to discriminate between "radical" feminists and "mainstream" feminist.

To be fair, the WBC and Islamic terrorists are the logical outcome when you take the attitudes and teachings of their respective religions to their ultimate conclusion. Not everyone of those religions is that particular brand of crazy, but the behavior and logic inspired by their beliefs does lead to similar outcomes if followed all the way.

 

[FernandoV]

3.) Anyone can call them self a feminist, so if you get distracted by crazy people who call themselves feminists, you might as well go claiming Christians are the WBC or Muslims are all radicals to be consistent. Or you can use your brain to discriminate between "radical" feminists and "mainstream" feminist.

To be fair, the WBC and Islamic terrorists are the logical outcome when you take the attitudes and teachings of their respective religions to their ultimate conclusion. Not everyone of those religions is that particular brand of crazy, but the behavior and logic inspired by their beliefs does lead to similar outcomes if followed all the way.

To be fair, you take people for what they are not for your convoluted interpretation of what they are based on the radical extreme of their beliefs.

 

[Agayek]

To be fair, you take people for what they are not for your convoluted interpretation of what they are based on the radical extreme of their beliefs.

Not really. If you examine the core teachings of the respective religions, you find a staggering amount of xenophobia and intolerance. Nowadays, a lot of it is coached in much nicer sounding language, but the root values of both are xenophobia, willful ignorance, and an intolerance for alternate ways of thought.

It's nowhere near as bad as it was even 50 years ago, but it is most certainly there. Our cultural zeitgeist is counteracting a lot of the more negative concepts, which is quite good, but it hasn't eradicated it yet.

 

[Zantos]

Directly related: There are a lot of double standards when it comes to sexism. Someone once explained to me that because women were oppressed by men they have the right to take some higher ground now. He had it explained to him by some feminists (which was sexist in itself because he was only doing this whole oppression of women thing to try and get in her pants). I thought it was some shit, I've never oppressed anyone before and don't think anyone has the right to do it to me just because I'm genetically similar to someone else that did it.

Less related: There's something actually related this topic that's been pissing me off. Some countries have started passing laws that a certain percentage of business executives have to be women. I think Norway started it with 40%, with a lot of European countries planning to follow suite (Italy already seems to have it covered). This is like double sexism, beating both genders down. If only that made it not sexist, but sadly two wrongs don't make a right. If a man is more qualified for the position and has more experience he can still get turned down for the job because they need to take on a woman to fill some sort of quota. Then on the flipside it's suggesting that women can't get top jobs on their own and need this in place to help them. Now what a modern and progressive employer does is take a CV with no gender, race, age, etc. Not even a first name, just initial, then judges it on the qualifications and personal statement.

Sexism is one of those things I get really annoyed about. Firstly because it's stupid. Secondly, because I once went out with one of these empowerment of women OTT femenists. Thirdly because it's really fucking stupid.

My my, that turned into quite a rant.

 

[MzRie]

I'm going to say it right now, white men are probably one of the most oppressed people.
...
Look, I get it, white males were EXTREMELY racist, and sexist, from when women existed, and from when we discovered black people, to around...After the sixties. Then, the majority of us started settling down, and since then, we've been better. We should stop being punished for something we did CENTURIES ago.

Yeah, I know. I totally agree. White males have become the most oppressed group. I mean, sure, we make more money on average than every other ethnic group in the country, make more money than women in comparable positions, are rewarded by tax policies that favor our greater ability to invest over people who only survive off of their total income, get lighter prison sentences, are less likely to be investigated and arrested by police, are more likely to be interviewed for employment and hired, are not discriminated against when attempting to buy a house, have higher average home equity, lower average interest on mortgage, don't suffer de facto educational segregation, have normalized characteristics associated with our gender and race, hold over 70% of the positions in Congress, possess the most power in the largest religious group in the world...man, I gotta stop now. All this white male oppression is depressing me.

 

[FernandoV]

To be fair, you take people for what they are not for your convoluted interpretation of what they are based on the radical extreme of their beliefs.

Not really. If you examine the core teachings of the respective religions, you find a staggering amount of xenophobia and intolerance. Nowadays, a lot of it is coached in much nicer sounding language, but the root values of both are xenophobia, willful ignorance, and an intolerance for alternate ways of thought.

It's nowhere near as bad as it was even 50 years ago, but it is most certainly there. Our cultural zeitgeist is counteracting a lot of the more negative concepts, which is quite good, but it hasn't eradicated it yet.

But we all know Christians, Muslims, etc who don't hate everyone who disagree with their religion. Writing them all off makes you just as much of a bigot as you claim they are. It's just about judging people individually as opposed to generalizing them.

 

[RamirezDoEverything]

You go girl.

I hate this, the double standards are ridiculous in this nation.

 

[Agayek]

But we all know Christians, Muslims, etc who don't hate everyone who disagree with their religion. Writing them all off makes you just as much of a bigot as you claim they are. It's just about judging people individually as opposed to generalizing them.

I never said anyone was a bigot.

Nor did I say I wasn't.

All I said was that the aforementioned systems of belief encourage behavior and convictions corresponding with what our culture sees as foolish and/or crazy. It's not really fair to insult and ridicule someone for taking commonly held values and beliefs to their logical conclusion while holding the original values and beliefs as blameless.