It's probably pc gamers own fault games are becoming console oriented.

[Meight08]

You might ask why i made this thread so let me be clear.
I am no troll i dont want to insult pc gamers or say consoles are better these are things i think Pc gamers whine about.

All the hate and shock about the skyrim being console oriented made me make this thread because in my opinion Pc gamer's are complaining about things that are mostly their fault.

These are my opinion's why i think pc gamers are complaining about nothing.

1: Why are games like skyrim becoming more console oriented?!
Because Pc gamers ask for the best graphics increasing production costs.And Thus forcing them to make them console oriented So developers can earn the money they need to make the production worthwile.
that Isnt Activision's dumbing down for money.
That is being forced to dumb it down so they dont lose alot of money.
Maybe if you'd pay triple they'd make it pc oriented.

2:Why are they being dumbed down for consoles players.
Well sorry mister i need to use all my keyboard buttons or its dumbed down for consoles.
Making two versions of an entire game for 2 different platforms has to be done for you or they are lazy and its for console tards.
Again too expensive to be justified.
So man up.

3:Why do they make the graphics so bad?!
First of all You need more then graphics to make a game good. i.e Okami TF2
But No you want first grade realistic graphics.
Again Many pc gamers might not be able to run Skyrim causing fewer copies to sell and less money.That bethesda needs to make it justified you could accept lower quality graphics that just have good aesthetics like the The witcher 2 a 2008 computer can run it.
But NO! you need the latest which costs money and you dont understand why they find ways to sell more.

This is all i can think of .
Again im not a troll i just want to know why you pc gamers think developers should serve your every whim and throw away money by making a high budget game for a niche group. I.E Deep rpg's
I just dont understand it It may be because i have ATSS but even i can see that is just too much to ask for.
Please say what justifies bethesda risking alot of money. to make games tailored for you.
I.e Nearly Unaccsesible for non fans.
Please tell me ifyou find something i missed to say.

 

[Attack__cat]

^ also its much simpler to pirate on PC. I know more than a few people who pirate everything on pc (despite owning all consoles in one case).

in that cases defence though he plays pirated games more like demos. recent example he pirated brink on pc then bought it on console when he decided he liked it.

piracy = money not going to the devs. if piracy is more common on pc then a pc only game will lose a bigger proportion of its profits this way.

edit: also to the above poster -> bohemia might make slightly niche games (which i personally love) b ut as a dev company they arnt really niche. i mean they have there own Motion capture studio that was used in tons of other games.

and on another note fallout new vegas was obsidian, bethesta just published it.

 

[Lionsfan]

One reason we're (supposedly) seeing more developers turning to console's is because it's a little bit harder to pirate a Console CD than a PC. You have to actually physically steal it, which is a bit harder to do than just illegally downloading it.

Edit: Apparently I'm quite wrong on this. My mistake, I just assumed it was that way

 

[synobal]

Ya I'm not sure why I'm posting here. For some reason though you seem to think all PC gamers are focused on graphics which isn't true. I mean look at the popularity with Minecraft, and other indie games. Hell the PC community is the largest supporter of indie games most of which have graphics that aren't even comparable to this generations of consoles.

As far as a lot of gamers not being able to run Skyrim that's just silly, if it runs on an Xbox 360 it will run fine on any PC a gamer is using. You can't really complain if you're using hardware that can't match the 360's graphical rendering. It's just an ATI card with something like 512 MB of ram on it if I recall.

One reason we're (supposedly) seeing more developers turning to console's is because it's a little bit harder to pirate a Console CD than a PC. You have to actually physically steal it, which is a bit harder to do than just illegally downloading it.

That's not true at all. If you think you have to physically steal a game to get an illegal copy for a console you're terribly naive. Just got to a site like Demonoid or ThePirateBay they have whole sections for downloading PS3, Xbox360 and all other console games.

 

[synobal]

Double Post sorry

 

[Ilikemilkshake]

One reason we're (supposedly) seeing more developers turning to console's is because it's a little bit harder to pirate a Console CD than a PC. You have to actually physically steal it, which is a bit harder to do than just illegally downloading it.

Thats completely not true

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/7.290194-Duke-Nukem-Forever-Leaks-to-Torrent-Sites

Piracy is just as rampant on consoles as it is on the PC

Anyway as posted before, i think its pretty annoying that they're making skyrim even more console oriented, Oblivion and Fallout worked fine enough, and sold well.. why do they need to go furthur? i think they already had the balance right... oh well we'll have to see when the game comes out.

 

[Tjebbe]

Buy the games that do it right. Don't buy the games that do not. Problem will fix itself.

Or just get a console, come to the dark side, we have cookies

 

[Attack__cat]

^ above posts on piracy -> the difference between consoles and pc piracy is that you need a modded console (illegal but then again your pirating) which is alot of effort compared to pc pirating which is simply a case of having a pc powerful enough and torrent client (which you need to torrent the console games anyway).

whats more for ps3 modded consoles all got banned from PSN so unless you are planning on a seperate console for non-pirated online games your stuck in single players.

i can only assume a similar thing happened for xbox but i dont really keep up (and i read somewhere around some people on ps3 could get round the ban etc with enough hacking knowledge).

but its a pretty undeniable fact that console piracy is alot less common than PC piracy. no one is saying it doesnt happen, or it doesnt exist, just it isnt anywhere nearly as widespread.

 

[Zhukov]

I'm pretty sure it's just a matter of the consoles being where the money is.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

You wait until the first console virus breaks out. Then we'll see some fun.

Especially as Modern Warfare clones will spread it unintentionally through matchmaking.

 

[Stavros Dimou]

You might ask why i made this thread so let me be clear.
I am no troll i dont want to insult pc gamers or say consoles are better these are things i think Pc gamers whine about.

All the hate and shock about the skyrim being console oriented made me make this thread because in my opinion Pc gamer's are complaining about things that are mostly their fault.

These are my opinion's why i think pc gamers are complaining about nothing.

1: Why are games like skyrim becoming more console oriented?!
Because Pc gamers ask for the best graphics increasing production costs.And Thus forcing them to make them console oriented So developers can earn the money they need to make the production worthwile.
that Isnt Activision's dumbing down for money.
That is being forced to dumb it down so they dont lose alot of money.
Maybe if you'd pay triple they'd make it pc oriented.

2:Why are they being dumbed down for consoles players.
Well sorry mister i need to use all my keyboard buttons or its dumbed down for consoles.
Making two versions of an entire game for 2 different platforms has to be done for you or they are lazy and its for console tards.
Again too expensive to be justified.
So man up.

3:Why do they make the graphics so bad?!
First of all You need more then graphics to make a game good. i.e Okami TF2
But No you want first grade realistic graphics.
Again Many pc gamers might not be able to run Skyrim causing fewer copies to sell and less money.That bethesda needs to make it justified you could accept lower quality graphics that just have good aesthetics like the The witcher 2 a 2008 computer can run it.
But NO! you need the latest which costs money and you dont understand why they find ways to sell more.

This is all i can think of .
Again im not a troll i just want to know why you pc gamers think developers should serve your every whim and throw away money by making a high budget game for a niche group. I.E Deep rpg's
I just dont understand it It may be because i have ATSS but even i can see that is just too much to ask for.
Please say what justifies bethesda risking alot of money. to make games tailored for you.
I.e Nearly Unaccsesible for non fans.
Please tell me ifyou find something i missed to say.

1. Better graphics doesn't necessarily increase that much production costs.
What most pc gamers ask from developers are better quality textures.
Textures these days are photos of real surfaces taken with real cameras that are being processed by software so they loose their details,because consoles can't depict bigger level of detail. It would be easier,faster and less expensive for a studio to just use the photos unprocessed with all their detail.But the reason they don't include the full detail textures on pc versions is because they want their games to look the same on all platforms,and that is because Microsoft and Sony pressures them to do so,for competitiveness reasons.
It's a marketing tactic that favor consoles instead of pcs.

2. That's not right and you fail to see that what some people complain about is that features that where considered basic some years ago are now absent.As time passes by instead of having more features,they loose the basics they had before.
Sure somebody who has a console and never had some features in in his game won't care for somebody else who got less features.
But you can't understand how bad it is to see games without basic stuff.
For example in almost all fps games in pcs there was an in-game option to adjust the desirable FOV of your character,and we could also make a 'console' window appear with the press of a button where we could write some executable orders.Now modern games are coming without them.
You might not see how much important that is since you could never program a game on a console or adjust that kind of settings,but as core and basic elements they are,it's a huge thing that modern games usually miss these features.
It would be like if achievements dropped off of xbox360 or if a ps3 game wouldn't let you to save your progress or something..
In the end games loose features.
Wouldn't it be better if instead of deleting features and make games featureless,developers decided to import more features in their games ?

3. Yeah,different people have different computers but that's why it is the norm that every game has graphics options that let us adjust how good they look depending on the machine we have. I don't know why you call Bethesda on this since Oblivion was a game that was really good in that department and offered lots of options to customize the graphics quality.

 

[synobal]

You wait until the first console virus breaks out. Then we'll see some fun.

Especially as Modern Warfare clones will spread it unintentionally through matchmaking.

You know I'm honestly surpised we haven't seen a virus for consoles yet. To me the Xbox 360 and PS3 seem like great vectors for virus creators. But then again I really am not too familiar with them. Still we are starting to see Malware and viruses for phones with how much like Modern computers consoles are becoming I wouldn't be surprised to see the first console based virus by the next generation of consoles.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

You wait until the first console virus breaks out. Then we'll see some fun.

Especially as Modern Warfare clones will spread it unintentionally through matchmaking.

You know I'm honestly surpised we haven't seen a virus for consoles yet.

You have...the PSN hack, allegedly, was the console equivalent of a virus. It's going to be quite tough to get around the console hardware as it's specifically locked down so that even the owner can't use it properly.

However.

Let's say you can create a virus that gives X Box achievements simply by logging into your machine. Doesn't sound too bad until you realise that Microsoft will start banning all these false positives.

You're going to have to reverse engineer the hardware to prevent it identifying as well as software hack it to send dummy messages (reducing it to nothing but scrap) - but if you can get enough Red-ringed machines and test them against the working model - perhaps with a supernode - it's eminently possible and untraceable.

 

[JoshGod]

What gives you the impression that pc gamers demand games with the best graphics available? I mean look at minecraft, it sold quicker the crack cupcakes and has awful graphics. At the end of the day most of us are happy if our games are just ported well.
Edit;
I suspect the move to consoles is due to a higher level of profit, because games can be priced higher on consoles and (this is just an assumption) that people on consoles are more likely to buy a game on release day, while pc games are more happy to sit back and wait for patches, mods, a price drop or to upgrade their pc.

 

[infohippie]

You know this topic is flamebait and nearly trolling. Why not just let it die?

 

[Nihilm]

You might ask why i made this thread so let me be clear.
I am no troll i dont want to insult pc gamers or say consoles are better these are things i think Pc gamers whine about.

All the hate and shock about the skyrim being console oriented made me make this thread because in my opinion Pc gamer's are complaining about things that are mostly their fault.

These are my opinion's why i think pc gamers are complaining about nothing.

1: Why are games like skyrim becoming more console oriented?!
Because Pc gamers ask for the best graphics increasing production costs.And Thus forcing them to make them console oriented So developers can earn the money they need to make the production worthwile.
that Isnt Activision's dumbing down for money.
That is being forced to dumb it down so they dont lose alot of money.
Maybe if you'd pay triple they'd make it pc oriented.

2:Why are they being dumbed down for consoles players.
Well sorry mister i need to use all my keyboard buttons or its dumbed down for consoles.
Making two versions of an entire game for 2 different platforms has to be done for you or they are lazy and its for console tards.
Again too expensive to be justified.
So man up.

3:Why do they make the graphics so bad?!
First of all You need more then graphics to make a game good. i.e Okami TF2
But No you want first grade realistic graphics.
Again Many pc gamers might not be able to run Skyrim causing fewer copies to sell and less money.That bethesda needs to make it justified you could accept lower quality graphics that just have good aesthetics like the The witcher 2 a 2008 computer can run it.
But NO! you need the latest which costs money and you dont understand why they find ways to sell more.

This is all i can think of .
Again im not a troll i just want to know why you pc gamers think developers should serve your every whim and throw away money by making a high budget game for a niche group. I.E Deep rpg's
I just dont understand it It may be because i have ATSS but even i can see that is just too much to ask for.
Please say what justifies bethesda risking alot of money. to make games tailored for you.
I.e Nearly Unaccsesible for non fans.
Please tell me ifyou find something i missed to say.

so your reasoning is: They want money, doing stuff for consoles is cheaper, so it is the fault of the PC gamers for not paying more, so it's their fault, brilliant logic there mate. How about you try the fact that msot of the companies taht build mainly for console have so much money coming out of their ass that it's not even funny, sure they may play the innocent wea are hardly making any money when news how much a game has been pirated rolls around, but fact is they make all the money they spend on a game back multiple times for most triple AAA titles, even funnier is that the cheaper indie games are made mainly for PC, I guess that is the reason why does companies are broke and not making any money, CDprojektRED did not make any money with the witcher 1 either that's why they spent so much money making an enhanced edition for the good of the players *sarcasm*

I have no problem with businesses wanting to make money, i have problem with them losing the main goal which should be to make good games as well as money, not sacrifice all we can for the most money possible. It's not even funny how little it costs to make a new CoD game compared to how much revenue it brings in or how much money EA makes off all those sport games which they barely modify between years or well horse armor DLC, take your pick. Developers should start asking more money for their effort if they really need it compared to trying to make the most amount of money for the least amount of work/time.

 

[synobal]

You wait until the first console virus breaks out. Then we'll see some fun.

Especially as Modern Warfare clones will spread it unintentionally through matchmaking.

You know I'm honestly surpised we haven't seen a virus for consoles yet.

You have...the PSN hack, allegedly, was the console equivalent of a virus. It's going to be quite tough to get around the console hardware as it's specifically locked down so that even the owner can't use it properly.

Nah the PSN was a hack not a virus. It's why it was called a hack and not a virus. It's true that the system was breached via insecurities in it's network which a virus could of also exploited there wasn't actually a virus involved though.

 

[The_root_of_all_evil]

Nah the PSN was a hack not a virus. It's why it was called a hack and not a virus. It's true that the system was breached via insecurities in it's network which a virus could of also exploited there wasn't actually a virus involved though.

I have information which suggests otherwise - where I'm not willing to reveal the source.

There's more than one way to skin a cat.