Jake Evans, 17, tells 911 he shot and killed mother and sister

[IamQ]

The question is does he deserve to become a productive member of society? To me he admitted to killing two people so he's past the point of redemption.

He's still young and could be rehabilitated with professional help. He even admitted that he hated the feeling of killing people, so that's something.

Most people are not past the point of redemption. It's not about deserving it, it's about practicality. What do we have to gain from killing him that outweighs the chance at rehabilitating him.

We gain justice, that's what the police and prison system are all about.

The death sentence is never about justice. Maybe in theory. But in practice it has always been about revenge. To satisfy yourself for the moment. A dead man means jack shit a week later, but a rehabilitated man can make a lot of differences.

 

[Burst6]

He's still young and could be rehabilitated with professional help. He even admitted that he hated the feeling of killing people, so that's something.

Most people are not past the point of redemption. It's not about deserving it, it's about practicality. What do we have to gain from killing him that outweighs the chance at rehabilitating him.

What do we have to gain? The protection of other people, even after "rehabilitation" who is to say that he won't kill again? Would you rather kill a monster who murdered his mother and sister in cold blood just for the hell of it or let him go free to kill again? Practicality? How is it more practical to rehabilitate him, costing resources and time, when he could just be killed for very little cost? Especially considering the fact that "rehabilitation" is not guaranteed to work, killing him or locking him up for life has a 100% chance of stopping him from murdering more innocents. What do we have to gain from rehabilitating him?

Giving someone the death sentence is far more expensive than life in prison.

And i'm not saying he's 100% going to be rehabilitated. He could have a large mental problem that one day, maybe a few decades from now, could be cured. Either that or he is going to spend the rest of his life in prison for doing a horrible thing, much like that Norway shooter who's going to be in jail for the rest of his life even in a country focused on rehabilitation like Norway.

What i'm saying is i'm against the death penalty.

 

[JochemHippie]

Fucking hell this is surreal.

This guy needs some serious mental help.

 

[Pete1001]

He's still young and could be rehabilitated with professional help. He even admitted that he hated the feeling of killing people, so that's something.

Most people are not past the point of redemption. It's not about deserving it, it's about practicality. What do we have to gain from killing him that outweighs the chance at rehabilitating him.

What do we have to gain? The protection of other people, even after "rehabilitation" who is to say that he won't kill again? Would you rather kill a monster who murdered his mother and sister in cold blood just for the hell of it or let him go free to kill again? Practicality? How is it more practical to rehabilitate him, costing resources and time, when he could just be killed for very little cost? Especially considering the fact that "rehabilitation" is not guaranteed to work, killing him or locking him up for life has a 100% chance of stopping him from murdering more innocents. What do we have to gain from rehabilitating him?

"Hm, I could try and keep and open mind, but on the other hand, shooting you in the head is a lot cheaper."

Really? Money? Maybe thats just me being naive, but Id dare say there are slightly more important things to worry about than money in this case.

 

[Vegosiux]

Because when someone commits a crime there needs to be some kind of punishment that fits.

According to who?

Why would you let him live?

Cause I really don't have time to go about killing everyone you might think needs to die?

I can't really see any kind of benefit unless you let him live till you figure out why he did it and then kill him.

So, when's the last time you killed someone who "deserved death"?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

1. He doesn't sound like a sociopath. He expresses remorse, describes himself as "evil", seems shaken by the violence, and took the initiative to turn himself in. None of that is consistent with sociopathy.

2. The flat, emotionless cadence of his voice during the call suggests profound shock. As someone who has experienced profound shock first hand, that numb, almost trance-like quality of speech is extremely familiar.

I really, really feel for the father and the two remaining sisters. They essentially lost three family members to this...two dead, and the other changed irrevocably from the person they thought they knew.

I don't know what to think about Jake. Mental illness is not a get out of jail free card for destructive behavior. That he snapped with so little apparent provocation or warning makes the threat of recidivism extremely worrisome were an attempt to made to rehabilitate/release him. Thankfully the decision isn't in my hands.

 

[Adam Jensen_v1legacy]

Sick fuck. I'm not usually disturbed when I hear about stories about kids who kill their parents. But those who kill their brothers or sisters...I fuckin' hate people like him.

 

[I-Protest-I]

At least he confessed.

Some people are just born with emotional instabilities. I strongly believe some people are born dangerous, with a higher chance of committing violent acts.

He needs to be locked up. He's a danger to others. Even he freely admits that he wasn't even angry when he did it. So, that means he's a cold-blooded psychopath, and as a result, a direct danger to all other citizens. If he could just kill his family members, imagine what he could do to others?

No, there is a line humanity doesn't cross and it is murder. Allow him to rot in jail or be quickly and painlessly executed, an unfortunate thing happened to the family. Let them rest in peace and have the ones still alive be allowed to move on.

Mental disorders are no reason for a second chance on murder, up to that? Sure a second chance, rehabilitation if possible. All humanity is flawed but some are past redemption.

Edit: Did I misquote? My apologies if so, as it is quite late.

 

[CATS FTW]

The guy's probably just a psychopath or sociopath, his monotone fascination with his own behavior fits the criteria.

 

[charge52]

The guy's probably just a psychopath or sociopath, his monotone fascination with his own behavior fits the criteria.

I'd agree, except he said what he did was supposedly evil. That means he has a notice of right and wrong and some basic level of self-reflection. Sociopaths don't have that.

Maybe some kind of paranoid schizophrenia? That would explain why he'd kill in one mood and realise he did wrong when entering another.

What you just described sound more like Dissociative Identity Disorder than Schizophrenia.

 

[A.A.K]

The scary thing is just how monotone he is on the phone.
He sounds as if he is ordering a pizza with so little emotion... it is seriously chilling. The way he just stays on the phone with the woman who is keeping her cool so well but inside is probably thinking; "This isn't just a normal day in the office."

The normal reaction would be to panic and flee wouldn't it?

Crimes like this just make me sit back and question 'evil'. I have always believed nobody is born evil but it is the environment and society that corrupts them. This kid lived well and said himself he wasn't angry with the two individuals so just why?

The 'normal' reaction. The 'normal' reaction comes out of 'normal' people.

'Normal' people kill out of 'normal' reasons. Intense emotion, and sometimes out of irrational greed.
For everyone else, there's 'respect', 'honour', profit, shits and giggles, training, curiosity, etc.
This kid probably just woke up and couldn't give a fuck. Just shot his family and that's it. He probably won't care too much about prison.

 

[SlaveNumber23]

Giving someone the death sentence is far more expensive than life in prison.

And i'm not saying he's 100% going to be rehabilitated. He could have a large mental problem that one day, maybe a few decades from now, could be cured. Either that or he is going to spend the rest of his life in prison for doing a horrible thing, much like that Norway shooter who's going to be in jail for the rest of his life even in a country focused on rehabilitation like Norway.

What i'm saying is i'm against the death penalty.

I agree with you actually, it wasn't evident in my posts but I'm not all that supportive of the death penalty either. I believe that the death penalty is a little too easy of a punishment and that suffering a life in prison is way more fitting. What I am against however is the idea of "rehabilitation" and giving this criminal a second chance. In my eyes the only 'second chance' this kid should ever get is the chance he had to put down the gun before he murdered his mother and sister just for the sake of murdering someone. There is no hell hot enough for this monster.

 

[Something Amyss]

From the NYDailey comment section:

Sick people! More and more young people are going mad. It's all those video games, violent movies - all the violence they are allowed to watch from a young age.

That was a bit too quick...

I have this feeling that there are people who are just waiting for the next tragedy to relish it.

 

[Mr Companion]

I would love to hear the whole 911 conversation, he is quite fascinating to listen to. I would love to hear more from him about why he felt he had to do it, what driven him over the line. He didn't sound angry or panicked just very calm, what I would give to have a conversation with him about this...

capacha "silence is golden"
Maybe

Edit: Just listened to it, both chilling and unpleasant but fascinating. He even said he is now afraid of guns and hates the feeling of killing somebody, explaining he felt suffocated by his family. I feel sorry for the dead mother and sister most of all but at the same time the way both the people in this conversation handle it is very unique.

 

[MeChaNiZ3D]

My first thought is HOW MUCH VIDYO GAEMS HE PLAY?

Because I'm inclined to think not too many, or they'd have put it in the title.

Sounds to me like he has either very little empathy or had a terrible family situation. His eventual motive seemed to be because he thought his sister and mother were being unnecessarily petty and unpleasant. I'm not passing judgment.

 

[Something Amyss]

It's possible he was pulled from school for the opposite reason, that his parents were concerned that he could do something that would harm a classmate and/or get him into serious trouble. Presumably there were some warning signs before this.

It's possible, but this came as a surprise to classmates and friends who have been on record so far, which makes me think it's even less likely. So "presumably" there weren't warning signs, or there would have been a slew of "I knew it!" rather than "I'm shocked!" comments.

YEAH, you are generalizing.

Holy crap, you mean the same thing I explicitly just established? How did you divine that? Witchcraft?

The point remains, America is as a whole rather bloodthirsty and easily manipulated. We've been convinced death is a deterrent and torture works, despite evidence to the contrary. We'd rather shove a guy's head under water or beat him to get false answers than be seen as soft and get legitimate ones through tested methods like confidence building which has actually yielded results. We are a nation that is pro-life right up until birth, and pro-death the rest of the way. And we won't even have a discussion on the subject of gun control, even after some douchebag shoots up a theatre or church or even a military base. And this is true whether or not you or I personally feel different.

 

[Ljs1121]

I don't even know what to feel right now. The news story itself is pretty sad, but to see the picture of his little sister hugging him and smiling breaks my heart.

It's hard to feel anything but dislike for him, but I do hope he gets help.

 

[Teshi]

It's possible, but this came as a surprise to classmates and friends who have been on record so far, which makes me think it's even less likely. So "presumably" there weren't warning signs, or there would have been a slew of "I knew it!" rather than "I'm shocked!" comments.

The people who get interviewed for these kinds of comments in the aftermath of a violent event are generally whichever random superficial contacts the journalist can find to talk to them on the record on short notice, many of whom don't know much but really like the idea of being in the news. The people closest to the scenario are often either bound by confidentiality issues, and/or dealing with the the aftermath of the traumatic event. Vague comments about how the person was nice, polite, quiet, etc. are pretty much de rigueur in the early media coverage of events of this nature.

 

[Metalix Knightmare]

Here's something you guys aren't taking into consideration here. At this point a swift execution would probably constitute as a merciful action for the kid. Do any of you know what prisoners tend to do to people who kill their own mothers? Let me tell you, they do NOT have happy or long lives. Best case scenario he just gets shived and dies quickly. Worse case? He's "currency".