James Gunn is back to direct GOTG Vol 3!

[Casual Shinji]

Gunn was fired over sexually explicit jokes about pedophilia and rape. And in the era of MeToo he had to go until Marvel had a buffer movie.

Women weren't the ones complaining though, it mostly came from the alt-right camp. And what guarantee did they have that Gunn would even return? Again, he went over to DC. You think they'd let that happen if they planned all along to bring him back? They didn't fire him with the plan to rehire him later. If the wanted a buffer period they would've just done what they did with John Lasseter (not that the two are comparable since Lasseter was accused of actual sexual harrasment).

 

[Squilookle]

Gunn was fired over sexually explicit jokes about pedophilia and rape. And in the era of MeToo he had to go until Marvel had a buffer movie.

Women weren't the ones complaining though, it mostly came from the alt-right camp. And what guarantee did they have that Gunn would even return? Again, he went over to DC. You think they'd let that happen if they planned all along to bring him back? They didn't fire him with the plan to rehire him later. If the wanted a buffer period they would've just done what they did with John Lasseter (not that the two are comparable since Lasseter was accused of actual sexual harrasment).

Remind me- what did they do with John Lasseter?

 

[Casual Shinji]

Remind me- what did they do with John Lasseter?

I think they forced him to go to some therapy thing or whatever, for the sake of public appearance, and so that he could then later resume his role as head of Pixar. Maybe Disney just took that time to make it very clear to him to stop the handsiness with female employees otherwise they'd actually kick him to the curb.

 

[Trunkage]

Remind me- what did they do with John Lasseter?

I think they forced him to go to some therapy thing or whatever, for the sake of public appearance, and so that he could then later resume his role as head of Pixar. Maybe Disney just took that time to make it very clear to him to stop the handsiness with female employees otherwise they'd actually kick him to the curb.

I thought he was removed now. He's starting another thing

 

[jademunky]

Yay consumerist populism!

Oh well, sarcasm aside, I'll still pay to see it.

 

[Casual Shinji]

I thought he was removed now. He's starting another thing

That may be right. He is still working in animation though, because I heard Emma Thompson refused to voice a character in an upcoming animated movie because Lasseter was heading the project.

 

[Majestic Manatee_v1legacy]

Suicide Squad? Gunn could do that justice if he brings his A game that gave us Super. Twice the good news for no effort, today has gone up a rank.

Every time somebody recognizes me here and I have no idea who they are I feel like I dropped in for dinner and didn't bring anything. Sorry.

 

[BrawlMan]

It's pretty obvious that Disney fired Gunn for criticizing the American government, not for a bunch of jokes he made well before he even worked for Disney. I mean, they keep dragging out that worthless piece of shit James Woods from his retirement home to play Hades from Hercules whenever he appears in a video game despite spreading actually dangerous propaganda on his Twitter account practically every day.

Still, them deciding to rehire James Gunn is just about the first good decision they've made in a pretty long while. I don't care for the movies but Gunn seems like a decent guy who lost his contract for illegitimate reasons. So, good on Disney but even better on everyone calling them out and keeping up the pressure.

They're hypocritical shits either way.

While I'm glad its official, did anyone think this wasn't going to happen?! Lets be honest, Disney or the PR department just told them 'Wait until after Captain Marvel drops, we'll get the female Twitter demo on our side, drop an Infinity War trailer and then bring his dumb ass back'

What's the correlation between the two? He wasn't fired over sexist tweets.

Why would they fire him and allow him to go over to DC and make a movie for them if they were just biding their time? The fact that Gunn was focussing on other projects - directing, writing, and producing - meant he wasn't expecting to to come back either. Him getting fired was a kneejerk reaction, and either Disney wised up or Kevin Feige put in a lot of effort to change their minds.

This. The plan sounds way too stupid, convoluted, and waste of everyone's time.

Korey put up a video calling out the bullshit from high strung conservatives, people with "high morals", and the Hollywood industry's double standard. I love it.

 

[Trunkage]

I thought he was removed now. He's starting another thing

That may be right. He is still working in animation though, because I heard Emma Thompson refused to voice a character in an upcoming animated movie because Lasseter was heading the project.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/life/movies/2019/01/09/pixar-ousted-chief-john-lasseter-finds-new-animation-studio/2529587002/

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Suicide Squad? Gunn could do that justice if he brings his A game that gave us Super. Twice the good news for no effort, today has gone up a rank.

Every time somebody recognizes me here and I have no idea who they are I feel like I dropped in for dinner and didn't bring anything. Sorry.

You, I like the manatee.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Gunn was fired over sexually explicit jokes about pedophilia and rape. And in the era of MeToo he had to go until Marvel had a buffer movie.

Women weren't the ones complaining though, it mostly came from the alt-right camp. And what guarantee did they have that Gunn would even return? Again, he went over to DC. You think they'd let that happen if they planned all along to bring him back? They didn't fire him with the plan to rehire him later. If the wanted a buffer period they would've just done what they did with John Lasseter (not that the two are comparable since Lasseter was accused of actual sexual harrasment).

I think the complaints were disingenuous and at the same time the people who'd be outraged if Roseanne had made these comments were indeed bizarrely silent about his comments.

I'm always for jokes being treated as fundamentally unserious and not something to fire people over but I think pointing out the disparate treatment, the higher level of tolerance afforded to people with the "right opinions", is a valid thing.

I don't like this "you took down one of ours so we'll take out one of yours" mentality one bit, I just want this climate of reversal to keep flowing and undo all such occurrences.

 

[Trunkage]

Gunn was fired over sexually explicit jokes about pedophilia and rape. And in the era of MeToo he had to go until Marvel had a buffer movie.

Women weren't the ones complaining though, it mostly came from the alt-right camp. And what guarantee did they have that Gunn would even return? Again, he went over to DC. You think they'd let that happen if they planned all along to bring him back? They didn't fire him with the plan to rehire him later. If the wanted a buffer period they would've just done what they did with John Lasseter (not that the two are comparable since Lasseter was accused of actual sexual harrasment).

I think the complaints were disingenuous and at the same time the people who'd be outraged if Roseanne had made these comments were indeed bizarrely silent about his comments.

I'm always for jokes being treated as fundamentally unserious and not something to fire people over but I think pointing out the disparate treatment, the higher level of tolerance afforded to people with the "right opinions", is a valid thing.

I don't like this "you took down one of ours so we'll take out one of yours" mentality one bit, I just want this climate of reversal to keep flowing and undo all such occurrences.

you're intentionally leaving out key details like, Gunns comments were almost a decade ago with him learning his lesson since

while Roseannes were were that month

then that week

and some again

and again


If your opinion was even close to correct you wouldn't have to fudge details and manipulate the narrative to make a point

I think you're forgetting the key factor. No one is ever forgiven

Especially when it's politically convenient

 

[CyanCat47_v1legacy]

I'm glad to hear it. I like a lot of the MCU movies, but beyond Black Panther and Infinity War, none of them reached the level of the Guardians movies for me. Maybe i'm biased because Guardians 1 was the movie that got me into the whole MCU thing, but I'd say he is one of the best directors Marvel has used for these movies

 

[Casual Shinji]

I think the complaints were disingenuous and at the same time the people who'd be outraged if Roseanne had made these comments were indeed bizarrely silent about his comments.

Except Gunn was obviously going for shock humor, and Roseanne was actually being racist. But even then I'd say Gunn shouldn't be surprised if he got fired if he had said that last week or last month, but this was almost 10 years ago. Gunn was hired well after he made those jokes and Disney should've been well aware of his history in trashy, shock movies. He was probably hired by Kevin Feige specifically for Guardians because of that.

If Roseanne had made that comment 10 years ago, got hired for a show afterward, showed a better side of herself for the following 6 years, and then got fired because of those old comments, it'd be similarly unfair.

 

[Sonmi]

Eat shit Cernovich, you lispy fuckwad!

This is great news, glad to know that both of the high profile this far-right grifter got fired ended up getting re-hired.

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

Gunn was fired over sexually explicit jokes about pedophilia and rape. And in the era of MeToo he had to go until Marvel had a buffer movie.

Women weren't the ones complaining though, it mostly came from the alt-right camp. And what guarantee did they have that Gunn would even return? Again, he went over to DC. You think they'd let that happen if they planned all along to bring him back? They didn't fire him with the plan to rehire him later. If the wanted a buffer period they would've just done what they did with John Lasseter (not that the two are comparable since Lasseter was accused of actual sexual harrasment).

I think the complaints were disingenuous and at the same time the people who'd be outraged if Roseanne had made these comments were indeed bizarrely silent about his comments.

I'm always for jokes being treated as fundamentally unserious and not something to fire people over but I think pointing out the disparate treatment, the higher level of tolerance afforded to people with the "right opinions", is a valid thing.

I don't like this "you took down one of ours so we'll take out one of yours" mentality one bit, I just want this climate of reversal to keep flowing and undo all such occurrences.

you're intentionally leaving out key details like, Gunns comments were almost a decade ago with him learning his lesson since

while Roseannes were were that month

then that week

and some again

and again


If your opinion was even close to correct you wouldn't have to fudge details and manipulate the narrative to make a point

I don't think when the comment was made has any relevance actually (and think those who do are wrong) so I had no reason to bring it up. It's good that we got to clarify that though.

A joke is a joke, if it was made yesterday or 10 years ago doesn't change a thing about it.

I don't care for people arbitrarily coming up with time-frames for when jokes are just jokes and not something more than that. People don't have the authority to determine that hence they don't get to act as though it's expected to treat their fallacious determination as anything more than that.

You can think it's different if the joke was made a while back, you just don't get to expect others to agree.

I think the complaints were disingenuous and at the same time the people who'd be outraged if Roseanne had made these comments were indeed bizarrely silent about his comments.

Except Gunn was obviously going for shock humor, and Roseanne was actually being racist. But even then I'd say Gunn shouldn't be surprised if he got fired if he had said that last week or last month, but this was almost 10 years ago. Gunn was hired well after he made those jokes and Disney should've been well aware of his history in trashy, shock movies. He was probably hired by Kevin Feige specifically for Guardians because of that.

If Roseanne had made that comment 10 years ago, got hired for a show afterward, showed a better side of herself for the following 6 years, and then got fired because of those old comments, it'd be similarly unfair.

They were jokes. You may wanna go watch her appearance on Rogan's podcast. You can say they were not perceived as jokes or were even bad jokes due to needing too much context to comprehend (the monkey balls one especially so) but they were still just jokes.

 

[Sonmi]

They were jokes. You may wanna go watch her appearance on Rogan's podcast. You can say they were not perceived as jokes or were even bad jokes due to needing too much context to comprehend (the monkey balls one especially so) but they were still just jokes.

Yeah, I gotta disagree.

Getting flak for a racist joke you've just written is not the same as getting flak for edgy jokes that you've written several years ago, that you've already apologized for in the past, and that were dug up by a well-known disingenuous grifter looking to take you down for political reasons (and Cernovich was open about that).

 

[Dreiko_v1legacy]

They were jokes. You may wanna go watch her appearance on Rogan's podcast. You can say they were not perceived as jokes or were even bad jokes due to needing too much context to comprehend (the monkey balls one especially so) but they were still just jokes.

Yeah, I gotta disagree.

Getting flak for a racist joke you've just written is not the same as getting flak for edgy jokes that you've written several years ago, that you've already apologized for in the past, and that were dug up by a well-known disingenuous grifter looking to take you down for political reasons (and Cernovich was open about that).

Actually, they weren't racist. That's part of the context I mention. When you hear the full context it's not racist but if you lack it it comes off as such which is why I allowed for their interpretation as bad jokes.

Still, in context they were fine.

Anyhow, this is kinda off topic, just go watch her Rogan podcast on youtube for more details~

 

[Sonmi]

Actually, they weren't racist. That's part of the context I mention. When you hear the full context it's not racist but if you lack it it comes off as such which is why I allowed for their interpretation as bad jokes.

Still, in context they were fine.

Anyhow, this is kinda off topic, just go watch her Rogan podcast on youtube for more details~

I did watch her on Rogan, I don't buy her excuses.

Also, it would be important to compare the public reaction to the jokes in question. People were genuinely shocked by Roseann's comments, enough for her own castmates to refuse to defend her publicly, the controversy was organic. On the other hand, no one but the politically motivated cared about the Gunn thing, which was, I'll remind you, a directed ideological attempt at causing a fuss.