Japan Censorship Vs Censorship in the U.S.A.

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Paragon Fury

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I don't know what has been happening with Japan though lately; in a lot of anime the American version is actually less censored than the [Japanese[/i] version. Examples: Sekirei, Witchblade, Girl's Bravo.

This never used to be the case and is quite shock really.
 

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What I found hilarious was the 4kids dub of One Piece. They bought the rights to One Piece and butchered it. Changed Sanji's cigarette to a lollipop, changed the guns to those toy guns with suction cups, changed the small amount of blood found in it to sweat/water and randomly skipped episodes and cut out the stuff that was impossible to edit. Then they dropped it, presumably cuz it got worse. It's what I love about one piece, started out kinda safe and nice, yeah, had some blood but not much. Now it's relatively brutal and I'm loving every second :D
 

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Tangentially related and just in case anyone is interested:

In the US, pornography is not speech in the sense of "free speech" as defined by the first ammendment. This has been broadened to mean most sexual content which could be found to be objectionable. Violence meanwhileis considered to be speech, as seen in the recent EMA vs. California case. As such, the FCC can censor whatever sexual material it likes, but can't do anything about violence since it's protected by law.

I'm not sure how free speech laws work in Japan, but I know that the reason for tentacle porn is that erect penises must be censored even in pornography. A tentacle isn't a penis, so they don't have to censor it.

If anyone knows how freedom of speech works in Japan, I'd love to hear about it :)
 

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Khadplank said:
You do know that this whole fucked up censorship that's in rule in Japan was ordered by AMERICUH, right? After world war 2 USA pretty much took over in Japan and they then decided to enforce some new laws of censorship. So if it wasn't for Uncle Sam, Japan wouldn't have this weird censorship to begin with.
Kinda not, japan had reaaaaal strict laws in regards to censorship, 1928 they introduced the death penalty for some offences, 1941 they eliminated freedom of the press. However AFTER japan surrendered the allied commander abolished all censorship of freedom of press. Hell, this is a country that didn't ban child porn until 1998. o_O

So yeah, wierd place, genitals are NOT ok but kiddie porn was until '98, as long as it had pixellated genitals, whuh? o_O
 

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xxmyhero64xx said:
So lately I've been watching uncut episodes of Dragon Ball Z. This is because I'm a nerd. However I've noticed a few things along these episodes that absolutely would not fly if these episodes were aired on regular kids broadcasting channels. Things like bad guys giving the finger to good guys. Main characters swearing. Random characters showing rude gestures. It makes me wonder, this was the uncut stuff but it aired in Japan right? And this is seen as a kids show.

So it makes wonder, where does Japan draw the line on what is ok for kids to be watching and what's not vs what America says is ok? I'd love to hear your thoughts on this.
The reason for this is because A: Japan doesn't have the bullshit idea that it's okay if a kid sees a guy getting his head cut off but if they see tits or hear the word "fuck," they might go crazy. And B: Anime isn't just for kids. DBZ isn't a kid only show and its watched by adults alike. Think of it as being a... PG13 movie. It's for pretty much everyone if their parents allow it but it's not aimed at children.
4Kids just likes to censor the hell out of everything animated to the point that they won't even show someone getting hit.

Also, Japan has some pretty stupid laws regarding censorship just like the US does.
For instance, why the hell is porn censored? It's... porn. >.>
 

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America is highly conservative, and censorship is rife on television and film*. Porn is relegated to small area of the country, and state law varies greatly. Mostly though, it's one of the strictest western countries bar Australia (although the British and French conservative governments are doing their hardest to regress their own countries to a similar state).


In Japan, values are different, and all media that is graphically sexually explicit requires censoring. Very rarely do un-censored cartoons get pulled up on this though, as it would be a waste of money and time. Some of the more hardcore tentacle rape stuff occasionally is, but rarely, due to the costs and the subjectivity of it.

Porn in Japan is a profitable industry however, and so they censor automatically, as there would be money to be made from suing them. Most uncensored Japanese porn is actually American.


*Oh, and before anyone knee jerks and claims that "no film is banned in the US!", it's not the same as it being there. Most world cinema isn't over in the US due to industry banning and boycotting.
 

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Hmm .. Japan thread eh? Well, I lived there for 7 years and speak the language fluently (no, not 'desu' and 'masu' and faggy stuff like that. srsly, you sound like a chick if you talk like that to everyone). Just a few observations about language - I won't go into porn censorship because that information is easier to find. The stuff here is not something you'll find on wikipedia, I presume:

SWEAR WORDS. They don't work in Japanese the same way they do in English. Most of you probably know words like 'kuso!' (pronounched k'sor - the 'u' sound in 'ku' is almost unvoiced - roughly 'shit!'); but they don't have the same strength as in English. To a native Japanese speaker, 'kuso' is more like saying 'gosh darnit gimminy!'. The strength of the curse is given by the intonation. You could say a quick, clipped little 'kuso!' to mean something like 'damn!', or a long, dragged out one to mean 'aww goddamnit to hell!'. I remember when I was in Japan for a short time I was watching Anpanman (kiddy tv show aimed at under 4s - hey, I was still learning the language!), and the bad guy Baikinman (literally 'germs guy' lol) got caught red-handed by the hero Anpanman. Baikinman turned around, checked his escape route (blocked!), and muttered 'kusoooo' in a defeated, 'awww nuts' kinda way. Although you will however hear people say 'kuso-jiji!' (shitty old man, often said by angry teens to their teachers) very abusively, you'll also hear mothers say to their children 'hana-kuso' (literally 'nose-shit' eg snot/mucus) in a very kind maternal way. (Try to imagine your mother saying 'Lets just wipe that nose shit off your face' lol)

The strongest word in Japanese is probably actually 'korra!' (roll your R's or you'll sound effeminate), which doesn't technically have a meaning. It's just a general expletive that could function for any number of English expletives. I speak Kansai Japanese, though, so this may seem different to some of you:
In English, you'd say "what the f*** did you just say?!", in Japanese "nanda to; korra?!", where 'nanda to' is like saying 'what did you say?' and 'korra' adds the aggression and promise of violence.
In English you'd say 'who the f*** do you think you're talking to, d***head?'; in Japanese you'd say 'dare ni mukatte yutton ja korra?!'; where 'dare ni mukatte yutton ja' is 'who are you talking to?' and 'korra' adds, again, all the strength.

You'll encounter other words like aho, boke, or *Asuka voice* baaaaka (moron/fool); of which probably 'baka' is the strongest to Osaka people but not to Tokyo people I think ('aho' is, in my experience, more often used affectionately - I remember my ex-gf - Osaka girl - got the shits at me and called me baka-uzo (yes, I use my handle name in real life too). If I did something funny/odd like put wasabi on an olive, she'd say 'uzo aho ya').

There are other words I won't go into now because they're considered highly offensive in English *and* Japanese, but the main thing to know is there are still differences in use for these 'words for female body parts'. In Japanese, it *only* refers to said body part. In English, you can use it like the Japanese would use 'baka'. If you learn these words and go to Japan and try calling someone 'crude word for vagina', they'll stare at you like you're a retard. Oh, they'll know you're *trying* to insult them, it's just you're failing at it.

EDIT: Oh btw, someone was talking about Shounen Jump. No, it's not for teens. Goddamnit Shounen means 'little boy'. What teenager is gonna buy a comic called 'little boy'? Imagine a 20 year old buying a copy of 'Sixteen' magazine?

It's aimed at under 10s - and this is made abundantly clear by the presence of extensive - almost 100% - furigana (furigana is the tiny little hiragana - or sometimes even katana in the case of Chinese names - placed next to Kanji so they're easier to understand - usually for children to be able to read without a dictionary, or for very difficult characters/historical names).

*YOUNG* Jump is aimed at teens - there is furigana only on very difficult/rare kanji, it frequently deals with sex and nudity and extreme levels of violence, and every issue has pictures of a *very* young lady doing those typical Japanese lolita-type things like eating ice-blocks, kicking water on the beach, or 'accidentally' showing her panties. Srsly, Young Jump would get you arrested in the more prudish West at customs, especially in Australia or Canada it seems.

EDIT EDIT: Oh, and someone else was saying Japan doesn't consider violence etc. to have a negative impact on kids. That ain't true. They have just as many quack psychologists telling everyone that films and video games are making kids killers - I remember a case when I was there in which a girl in primary school (in Kobe I think?) took a knife to school and calmly slashed open the throat of her class mate, killing her. All these quacks where blaming the Ryu ga Gotoku games ("Yakuza" on PS2 & PS3) and Battle Royale for it. It turned out these two girls had been fighting for years, and it had escalated onto online bullying and harassment, and eventually one just couldn't take it any more.
 

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Sorry about the size of that everyone ... hope you learn somethin'.
 

Saltyk

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So, it's been said, but Dragonball and DBZ both had a fair amount of what we'd consider adult content. In an early Dragonball episode, Goku removes Bulma's panties during the night. The next morning, Master Roshi asks her to flash him her panties in exchange for the Dragonball that he has.

And the show was never afraid to show a a naked Goku or Gohan. But, yes, it is rather shocking to see the differences in the series.

brunothepig said:
I'm not sure, I think DBZ is aimed more at teenage audiences, like Naruto. Of course, they're seen as just cartoons here, which carries the stigma of being for kids. Yugioh is another example. There are some hilarious moments in the English version of Yugioh thanks to that though.
"These spinning disks that look like saw blades at our ankles will send you to the shadow realm when they hit you."

Julianking93 said:
4Kids just likes to censor the hell out of everything animated to the point that they won't even show someone getting hit.
Why would you bring them up? I thought we agreed never to mention 4Kids in decent company.

Anyone else notice something missing?​

Well, that's new.​

Nope. Nothing odd here.​
 

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Paragon Fury said:
I don't know what has been happening with Japan though lately; in a lot of anime the American version is actually less censored than the [Japanese[/i] version. Examples: Sekirei, Witchblade, Girl's Bravo.

This never used to be the case and is quite shock really.
Yeah I noticed that as well

In the japanese witchblade they werent running around half naked...
 

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uzo said:
Hmm .. Japan thread eh? ~snip~
Very educational. Wish I had the discipline to seriously learn the language now, rather than just having memorized most of the Hiragana and then stopping there.
 

Paragon Fury

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Marik2 said:
Paragon Fury said:
I don't know what has been happening with Japan though lately; in a lot of anime the American version is actually less censored than the [Japanese[/i] version. Examples: Sekirei, Witchblade, Girl's Bravo.

This never used to be the case and is quite shock really.
Yeah I noticed that as well

In the japanese witchblade they werent running around half naked...
The original un-cut version is actually what we got in American.

They went in and added all the skin-coloring for Japanese version. No idea why at all.
 

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wootsman said:
I wouldn't be surprise if it has to do wit the high pedophile rates
Possible but... they can draw a picture of a 5 year old girl having sex/getting raped but the only thing they worry about is if there's a small line over genitalia. It's completely pointless. Then there's the regular porn censoring where everything is pixilated but it doesn't make any damn sense to do that. <.<
 

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Saltyk said:
Why would you bring them up? I thought we agreed never to mention 4Kids in decent company.

Anyone else notice something missing?​

Well, that's new.​

Nope. Nothing odd here.​
We did? I must have not gotten that >.>
Though, I never really watched DBZ so... what exactly did they censor out there?
 

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Julianking93 said:
Saltyk said:
Why would you bring them up? I thought we agreed never to mention 4Kids in decent company.

Anyone else notice something missing?​

Well, that's new.​

Nope. Nothing odd here.​
We did? I must have not gotten that >.>
Though, I never really watched DBZ so... what exactly did they censor out there?
I'm pretty sure everyone who loves anime wants to forget the horror of a 4Kids dub.

Well in the first one, they removed everything Chiaotzu says while on Nappa's back. Basically, he states that he's going to die and how much he valued Tien as a friend. Seriously, the whole clip just seems so wrong with him being silent right before he kills himself.

In the second one they added a terrible groaning sound. Yamcha was already dead. It was just bad. They didn't even acknowledge that he was groaning or anything. Also heard they edited out the halos on the dead characters. It was like they didn't want to acknowledge that people ever die. Especially not in DBZ. When it originally aired in the US they did refer to it as being sent to the next dimension rather than Hell, but at least they admitted that the characters died.

And the third one is perhaps the worst. Mr. Popo is blue. He's actually black. And, by the way, Popo isn't actually human, but a genie. They really altered huge things in the series. Replacing the actual hits with flashes of light. Adding clothing that wasn't there or altering it with really poor editing. Even during the original airing, they showed much of what they edited out. It's a shame, really.
 

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Strain42 said:
I know that most Japanese porn has mosaic censoring over the naughty bits...

I'm not sure if that's really relevant to this discussion, but I found it peculiar.
"Why is this painting over mah dragon balls!?!?!?!?!"

I'm sorry, I just had to do that.