Japanese Eroge Company Renames Rape Games to "Platinum Games"

[BrownGaijin]

A rose by any other name my friends.

 

[McNinja]

Wow. Just wow.

As much as I hate rape and view it as depraved, perverted, and morally corrupt and I think that rapists deserve the death penalty and the mere thought of it makes me wretch at the depratity of humantiy.

I feel that rape is worse than murder. Why? because once you kill someone, they are dead. They feel no more pain, no more sorrow, no sadness, nothing. After getting raped, however, you still feel pain, you still feel anger, sadness, sorrow, you still feel the loss of self worth, the loss of, well, everything. The mental damage from rape causes suicides. It causes rape victim to go through years of therapy to get over it. You cant feel after being killed, but you can feel after being raped.

Now I'm going to try to argue against this game: just bear with me and my opinion-
Rape is bad. But so is murder. So why should RapeLay be banned and not, say, GTA IV? Or CoD?Because RapeLay is depraved for the sake of depravity. Manhunt was a gorefest that had you killing to get to the "director" or whatever was making you kill. CoD had you killing Nazis and Japanese with guns almost every step you took.

In these games there are "bad" guys and "good" guys. In manhunt, they were trying to kill you. In CoD, the enemy was trying to f**k your s**t up. In Halo, the enemy was trying to kill you. In GTA IV, it's more abstract, because there was no real "enemy" perse, BUT there was a goal beyond killing cops and hookers with chainsaws and helicopters.

In RapeLay, who are the "bad" guys? Who's the "enemy"? The f**king ten-year old girl? The family you're tormenting because YOU did something bad and now you're angry because YOU got caught? There is no enemy. There is no goal besides rape and molestation. There's no drug empire to build, there is no war to win, there is no director to find. There is only YOU raping women because you think it's fun and it is what these women get for sending you to prison in the first place. Oh, and whoever said the plot doesn't matter in this discussion, yes it f**king does. The story is a major element in any game. However in this one, you're just raping because you can.

In the other games you aren't killing because you can, you're killing because you want to survive, you want to acheive the goal. Now, the goal of GTA IV is more morally ambiguous than CoD or Manhunt, but not to this extreme. In CoD or Manhunt, you kill so that you won't have to anymore after you complete your objective. In RapeLay, after you rape them, what next? You rape them again, that's what. and again. and again. Then they become your unwilling sex slaves. And you continue raping them. there will be no end. What happens long term? (I know they may not show this in the games, but roll with me). In GTA, you succeed in establishing your hold in the city, then you go on to other cities. Eventually, you will either get caught or die. In CoD, the war has to end eventually. Then the fighting stops. in Manhunt, after you find the director, what happens? do you keep randomly killing people with plastic bags and baseball bats and razor wire? Nope. In RapeLay, after the game ends, what? Rape, that's what.

And that is why I believe this game and others like it should be gone.







Now here comes the step back from personal feelings. Even after all of that, this is, after all, just a game. If you don't like it, don't play it. It's that simple.

Everyone will have different opinions about rape "simulators." I stated mine above.

 

[Samurai Goomba]

Wow. Just wow.

As much as I hate rape and view it as depraved, perverted, and morally corrupt and I think that rapists deserve the death penalty and the mere thought of it makes me wretch at the depratity of humantiy.

I feel that rape is worse than murder. Why? because once you kill someone, they are dead. They feel no more pain, no more sorrow, no sadness, nothing. After getting raped, however, you still feel pain, you still feel anger, sadness, sorrow, you still feel the loss of self worth, the loss of, well, everything. The mental damage from rape causes suicides. It causes rape victim to go through years of therapy to get over it. You cant feel after being killed, but you can feel after being raped.

Now I'm going to try to argue against this game: just bear with me and my opinion-
Rape is bad. But so is murder. So why should RapeLay be banned and not, say, GTA IV? Or CoD?Because RapeLay is depraved for the sake of depravity. Manhunt was a gorefest that had you killing to get to the "director" or whatever was making you kill. CoD had you killing Nazis and Japanese with guns almost every step you took.

In these games there are "bad" guys and "good" guys. In manhunt, they were trying to kill you. In CoD, the enemy was trying to f**k your s**t up. In Halo, the enemy was trying to kill you. In GTA IV, it's more abstract, because there was no real "enemy" perse, BUT there was a goal beyond killing cops and hookers with chainsaws and helicopters.

In RapeLay, who are the "bad" guys? Who's the "enemy"? The f**king ten-year old girl? The family you're tormenting because YOU did something bad and now you're angry because YOU got caught? There is no enemy. There is no goal besides rape and molestation. There's no drug empire to build, there is no war to win, there is no director to find. There is only YOU raping women because you think it's fun and it is what these women get for sending you to prison in the first place. Oh, and whoever said the plot doesn't matter in this discussion, yes it f**king does. The story is a major element in any game. However in this one, you're just raping because you can.

In the other games you aren't killing because you can, you're killing because you want to survive, you want to acheive the goal. Now, the goal of GTA IV is more morally ambiguous than CoD or Manhunt, but not to this extreme. In CoD or Manhunt, you kill so that you won't have to anymore after you complete your objective. In RapeLay, after you rape them, what next? You rape them again, that's what. and again. and again. Then they become your unwilling sex slaves. And you continue raping them. there will be no end. What happens long term? (I know they may not show this in the games, but roll with me). In GTA, you succeed in establishing your hold in the city, then you go on to other cities. Eventually, you will either get caught or die. In CoD, the war has to end eventually. Then the fighting stops. in Manhunt, after you find the director, what happens? do you keep randomly killing people with plastic bags and baseball bats and razor wire? Nope. In RapeLay, after the game ends, what? Rape, that's what.

And that is why I believe this game and others like it should be gone.







Now here comes the step back from personal feelings. Even after all of that, this is, after all, just a game. If you don't like it, don't play it. It's that simple.

Everyone will have different opinions about rape "simulators." I stated mine above.

So a more story-based game with an overall goal you're working towards would make rape in a game okay to you? Maybe something like Basilisk or Lone Wolf and Cub? Something where there's the option, but the choice isn't the end all, be all of the game?

I agree that depravity for its own sake is rarely entertaining except when executed in an absurd/comical fashion, like the earlier GTA titles.

But rape isn't worse than murder. People feel no pain after they die? Yeah, because they're DEAD. And how do YOU know what they feel? What makes you qualified to state that there is no pain whatsoever after death? Regardless of whether or not society at large agrees with you, it is unprovable either way. Assumptions and opinions shouldn't dictate which crime is considered "worse."

People get over rape and move on. No, don't say "they never get over it." Because they do. Time heals all wounds. Some people don't get over it, some people do. But NOBODY gets over death.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Well said.

Personally it isn't whether or not an activity in a game is 'illegal' or not in the real world that matters to me. What counts for me is that rape is universally morally wrong (at least it is amongst people with reasonably healthy mental states).

There are no universal morals, morals are defined by the people that create and uphold them.

Then those aren't morals, those are preferences people call morals by mistake.

Trying to argue that these values are intertwined into the fabric of reality when people were raped for fun during almost every war in history is like saying "murder is wrong is a fundamental rule of the universe" whilst half the world is being nuked.

That's not what people are arguing. You're taking a 'values' rule and treating as if it's a 'physical fact' rule.

Fair point.

 

[Booze Zombie]

Everyone will have different opinions about rape "simulators." I stated mine above.

It's an interactive fantasy, like those lame FMV games of yesteryear.
Not everyone will appreciate the fantasy, but never assume you have a right to destroy someone else's right to that fantasy.

That's why there's flash games where you chop up dead people and comics about cannibals "enjoying fine women". It's all disgusting, but it's a persons choice to view the "objectional material".

No one is forcing you to play a rape game, Rockstar aren't sneaking in a rape scene and Infinity Ward don't have new bump mapping for the bruises you inflict to a woman who won't stop crying.

No one's making you play this or even forcing you to click in the link that informs you about this, if it bothers you so much, don't click on links with RAPE in the name.

 

[Low Key]

I have never, and will never, buy any of those games, so I honestly could care less. Japanese culture is still going to be what it is whether us Americans meddle with it or not. The men will still be #1 there and the women will still be #2. That's how it has been for a long time, it works for them, so long as rape...er...platinum games aren't sold in the states, who gives a shit?

And I'm not siding with the makers of these games in the least, but where is the difference between guys degrading women by making these sort of games and women bringing it on themselves when they dress up like sluts to go out for a night on the town? Because women do it to themselves, it's automatically okay? So me sitting here having a cigarette is good for me because I made the decision myself, but god forbid if someone made me smoke a cigarette, that would be bad? Cmon people, use common sense.

 

[GamerPhate]

Possessing RapeLay Might be a Federal Offense in the US Possessing RapeLay Might be a Federal Offense in the US

June 21, 2009 at 7:50 pm

The controversy revolving around ?RapeLay?, the Japanese hentai game has reach a new level in the US. First, they ban the game from selling on Amazon, then they ban the game from publishing in Japan. Now it seems owning the game will be a federal crime in the US.

Wow... its now contraband...

http://www.gossipgamers.com/possessing-rapelay-might-be-a-federal-offense-in-the-us/

 

[theultimateend]

As much as I like to be the one to pull for the hard-working game devs, these guys can get bent. This is NOT the kind of game that should be encouraged. Out of all the illegal activities portrayed in games, I think this is crossing some sort of line.

Yeah. Ganking people with a closeline is cool.

Butchering a hooker is cool.

Setting civilians a flame is fine.

Dismembering someone is A-OK.

Anything sexual is fucking off limits!

Well at least we see where the line is drawn.

We all know that violent games lead to higher violent crime rates (reality be damned), all racing games lead to higher their players becoming avid racers, all mario games lead you to eating shrooms and trying to shove yourself into plumbing systems.

So obviously since all these things happen rape games must lead people to rape or at least glorify it. I know I'm much less likely to look at murder as a bad thing now that I've done it in a game.

 

[geldonyetich]

And that's the reality of any Internet forum debate. There's no referee to point out when somebody's debate completely sucks and they're just being stubborn, and that's why ad hominem ceases to have any real context. There was simply nothing else left me to do but call them out as not even trying to meet me half way, whether it was deliberate, subconscious, or simply something they weren't capable of doing.

Is this an issue for mod action, or do I have to take care of it in my own special pre-Darth-Mobius-banning sort of way?

More importantly, do I have mod permission to verbally fuck this person's shit up? I don't want to end up banned over this assclown if it's just a matter of the mods getting around to this thread vs. the mods saying 'have at it--it's not reached mod intervention level yet'

Why so defensive all of a sudden?

 

[McNinja]

Everyone will have different opinions about rape "simulators." I stated mine above.

It's an interactive fantasy, like those lame FMV games of yesteryear.
Not everyone will appreciate the fantasy, but never assume you have a right to destroy someone else's right to that fantasy.

That's why there's flash games where you chop up dead people and comics about cannibals "enjoying fine women". It's all disgusting, but it's a persons choice to view the "objectional material".

No one is forcing you to play a rape game, Rockstar aren't sneaking in a rape scene and Infinity Ward don't have new bump mapping for the bruises you inflict to a woman who won't stop crying.

No one's making you play this or even forcing you to click in the link that informs you about this, if it bothers you so much, don't click on links with RAPE in the name.

No kidding. That's why I said if you don't like it, don't play it. I stated my opinion, as nearly everyone else who's commented on this has done. I just made mine bigger. And no, I don't have a right to destroy someone elses fantasy. I just don't agree with it. That's why there's movies like Cannibal Holocaust and such. If people like it, people like it. If they don't, it's just as good.

I feel that rape is worse than murder. Why? because once you kill someone, they are dead. They feel no more pain, no more sorrow, no sadness, nothing.

No more pleasure, no more joy, no happiness, nothing.

After getting raped, however, you still feel pain, you still feel anger, sadness, sorrow, you still feel the loss of self worth, the loss of, well, everything.

You may. You may not. Not every rape is the same. If anything, the attitude that 'rape is a fate worse than death' makes it *harder* on rape victims, not easier.

The mental damage from rape causes suicides. It causes rape victim to go through years of therapy to get over it.

No amount of therapy will help you get over death.

You cant feel after being killed, but you can feel after being raped.

Good thing or bad thing? Depends on how the person's life after being raped turns out.

Really, we *can't* compare death to anything else. Why? Because it's something that happens to us all, and in the end, an unseen assassin with a sniper rifle is no different than a massive blood clot inducing a fatal, instantaneous stroke.

Now, we can compare rapists to murderers, and find that the latter aren't actually as 'evil' as the former, as other in this thread--and I in other threads--have said. Really, though, evaluating the morality of something like murder (or even more problematic, necrophilia and cannibalism) puts us into another category than the other crimes of violence towards people.

There is no goal besides rape and molestation. There's no drug empire to build, there is no war to win, there is no director to find.

Shouldn't we ask the question of why we lump building a drug empire in with winning a (supposedly just) war so easily?

Isn't it really that there's nothing 'cool' about being a repressed, socially retarded rapist, but there IS something cool and alpha male about being a drug kingpin?

Now, the goal of GTA IV is more morally ambiguous than CoD or Manhunt, but not to this extreme...In GTA, you succeed in establishing your hold in the city, then you go on to other cities.

You establish your hold by being part of a criminal enterprise--I'm not sure how much 'moral ambiguity' there is here.

Imagine this game: Granny Puncher. You go around punching old ladies carrying groceries to steal their money. Think of it as a prequel to Mike Tyson's Punch Out:

Tyson was unschooled in the niceties. He didn?t know his father or who he might have been. His mother, Tyson once said, died in a cardboard box, and he was sure he would end up the same way. As a kid, he was a thug, following old ladies into elevators and beating them up and stealing their groceries.

http://www.newyorker.com/archive/2005/06/27/050627ta_talk_remnick

Which game would you feel more comfortable playing? How comfortable would you feel if this was how a GTA game started, with you as a young hoodlum, eventually rising up to become a criminal kingpin?

What about a GTA mission where you had to rape a woman being held in sexual slavery by a criminal syndicate to 'prove' you're trustworthy, like in the movie _Eastern Promises_? Would that be as 'fun' as a mission where you have to terrorize a juror--not only an innocent, but an innocent put in danger by the legal system itself?

Actually, death is subjective. Some believe nothing happens to you after death, while some believe that you will go to heaven or hell, and so on.

And as a matter of fact, time does heal wounds. but if you're dead, it won't heal yours. it will heal your families and your friend's. If you're dead, you aren't in this world anymore, and don't have to deal with anything in it anymore. If you're raped, you do. And you're right, not every rape is the same. That doesn't make it any better.

And I lump a drug empire with a (just) war (the hell you mean supposedly just?) because I can. I never said that building a drug empire is good, but either way it is a terrible example and there's a reason I don't play GTA. And that's one of them. And no there isn't something cool about being a drug lord, but then there's nothing cool about war, is there?

And as I said, I don't play GTA games for a reason. and as for your "GTA Mission," that would be fun. At all. If the game gave me a choice I'd kill everyone there and release the girl. I don't take to rape lightly, nor sexual slavery, or slavery at all, for that matter. And please explain you last mission thingy. I don.t get how a mob hit is the equivalent of being terrorized by the legal system. Oh and no, it wouldn't be fun. At least not to me. But to each their own.

 

[Low Key]

And I'm not siding with the makers of these games in the least, but where is the difference between guys degrading women by making these sort of games and women bringing it on themselves when they dress up like sluts to go out for a night on the town?

One is consensual, the other is not.

But the consensual one provokes the non-consensual act.

Because women do it to themselves, it's automatically okay?

Because *people* do it to themselves, one is at least automatically a millions times worse than the other.

Yes, but when one is brought on by the other, doesn't that make you think?

So me sitting here having a cigarette is good for me because I made the decision myself, but god forbid if someone made me smoke a cigarette, that would be bad? Cmon people, use common sense.

Um, no--it's not about what's good or bad for someone. It's about freedom and your rights, specifically the difference your right of consent makes.

Um, yeah--because me having a cigarette and a women dressing like a slut can both be detrimental. Maybe not today, maybe not tomorrow, but eventually something might happen. Whether I consent to having a cigarette or not, it's still bad for me. Perhaps dressing like a slut isn't the best way to get noticed? Or am I off base? I don't think I am.

 

[geldonyetich]

Because the mods are human beings and need time to get to stuff in the moderation queue. Usually it doesn't take this long for them to get to something, so now I'm just wondering.

Pray the mods get to you before I do. In light of recent housecleaning, I decided to err on the side of being too civil from now on to try and do my part to make this a better community.

Such is the level of my overpowering smarminess, I'd probably say on my dying breath that if you did get me before they do, it's pretty definitive proof that you're definitely not on the side of being truly civil. It doesn't get much more "in the wrong" than being so very embroiled that you contemplate committing RL violence somebody over cheesing you off on a forum, dude.

Even if you did get permission to perform a complete verbal tongue-lashing on me, I'd just say you lost your cool. What good would that do you? It certainly didn't do me any good when I lost patience with Krakyn and starting going off on him about being such a young whippersnapper.

 

[GamerPhate]

Possessing RapeLay Might be a Federal Offense in the US Possessing RapeLay Might be a Federal Offense in the US

June 21, 2009 at 7:50 pm

The controversy revolving around ?RapeLay?, the Japanese hentai game has reach a new level in the US. First, they ban the game from selling on Amazon, then they ban the game from publishing in Japan. Now it seems owning the game will be a federal crime in the US.

Wow... its now contraband...

Technically, all porn is contraband: it's just that the government has taken a 'don't ask don't tell' approach to porn


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/prosecuting/cambria.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Cambria
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscene#U.S._activity_and_court_cases_dealing_with_obscenity

In my state, oral and anal are both illegal (long ago laws I assume made to make it illegal to be gay or something)

And all the porn here can't show penetration...but the state border is just a few hours away..