C'mon, I came to this forum to dodge the selfrighteousness of the internets. Why plague us. What does Amnesty say about forcing us to endure tirades of hippie-rant?
Japans death row makes prisoners go insane
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anyone with a fair amount of knowledge of the Japanese economy (and somewhat its culture) knows that the legal system is the most under budget system in the world, i had the impression that they do it that way to keep their "records" clean (less sentenced people, less crimes on record etc.etc.etc) so they "deliverately" take longer than needed to put a sentence on criminals, god forbids someone in the "WORLD" realizes they have the same amount of criminals than anywhere else.
that immage of less "murderers/rapists/criminals" yeah, thats a facade.
*PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST MY CONCLUSION TAKEN FOR SEVERAL FACTS I READ FROM MAGAZINES, NEWSPAPERS, NEWS SHOWS AND PEOPLE LIVING IN JAPAN WHO WERE KINDLY ENOUGH TO ANSWERE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS, IT IN NO WAY CAN BE CONSIDERED AN UNDENIABLE "FACT" IF YOU KNOW BETTER, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME*
that immage of less "murderers/rapists/criminals" yeah, thats a facade.
*PLEASE NOTE THAT THIS IS JUST MY CONCLUSION TAKEN FOR SEVERAL FACTS I READ FROM MAGAZINES, NEWSPAPERS, NEWS SHOWS AND PEOPLE LIVING IN JAPAN WHO WERE KINDLY ENOUGH TO ANSWERE SOME OF MY QUESTIONS, IT IN NO WAY CAN BE CONSIDERED AN UNDENIABLE "FACT" IF YOU KNOW BETTER, PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME*
Let me give you sort of a background on Japan if you don't know that much. Japan is one of the most society-based cultures in the world. What I mean by this is it is heavily based around "conforming to society", I should say. Want examples? Several hundred years ago, there was a caste of people called "Burakumin", and they were despised by the rest of society because they worked with "death" (tanners, executioners, etc.). Today, employers STILL run checks on lineage sometimes to see if any of their ancestors were Burakumin, and discrimination still exists. That's how concerned they are with society.
The other thing that you should know is that Japan is WAY lenient on minors. Although there was an even more f'ed up story about a teenager taking an AXE to her father's neck and only going to a "rehab" place, I couldn't find it so here's another example:
The people on Japanese death row are going to be MUCH different than those in other countries. You might get a couple of teenagers/young adults who made bad decisions in different countries, but almost certainly not in Japan. These are people who have no doubt been abandoned by their families (if they have any), and they are completely cast out of Japanese society (even if their name was cleared and they were set free, 99% of the population would never interact with him even then). So who are they supposed to interact with, other prisoners? The Japanese don't allow it to prevent the formation of another "society" within prison, because prison is supposed to be punishment, and the worst punishment that has shown up historically in Japan repeatedly has always been "exile from the group" (the most notable being "Ronins" all through the samurai age).
The problem is, the Amnesty International report reeks of ethno-centrism. People getting indignant at the treatment are doing so because they compare it to their own country's, whether consciously or unconsciously. In America, death row convictions sometimes get overturned, and inmates are never truly cut off from anything (there's a society in prison, and "death row inmate dating" has been the subject of more than a few jokes but it does happen). As such, we're appalled at this treatment by the Japanese. But thinking of it in the eyes of the Japanese, it's (somewhat) justifiable. No one is talking to them anyways (i.e. family), they have no chance at overturning the ruling, and the prevalent punishment in the society is "exile from the group". So is it regrettable? Yes. Is it outrageous? Not necessarily.
The other thing that you should know is that Japan is WAY lenient on minors. Although there was an even more f'ed up story about a teenager taking an AXE to her father's neck and only going to a "rehab" place, I couldn't find it so here's another example:
In America, those teens would be locked away for life (or at least several dozen years). In Japan? Not so much. The Japanese people view life before 20 (and college to a lesser extent) as the time when you have the most freedom, so they're remarkably lenient on minors that would no doubt suffer much much more in other countries.
The people on Japanese death row are going to be MUCH different than those in other countries. You might get a couple of teenagers/young adults who made bad decisions in different countries, but almost certainly not in Japan. These are people who have no doubt been abandoned by their families (if they have any), and they are completely cast out of Japanese society (even if their name was cleared and they were set free, 99% of the population would never interact with him even then). So who are they supposed to interact with, other prisoners? The Japanese don't allow it to prevent the formation of another "society" within prison, because prison is supposed to be punishment, and the worst punishment that has shown up historically in Japan repeatedly has always been "exile from the group" (the most notable being "Ronins" all through the samurai age).
The problem is, the Amnesty International report reeks of ethno-centrism. People getting indignant at the treatment are doing so because they compare it to their own country's, whether consciously or unconsciously. In America, death row convictions sometimes get overturned, and inmates are never truly cut off from anything (there's a society in prison, and "death row inmate dating" has been the subject of more than a few jokes but it does happen). As such, we're appalled at this treatment by the Japanese. But thinking of it in the eyes of the Japanese, it's (somewhat) justifiable. No one is talking to them anyways (i.e. family), they have no chance at overturning the ruling, and the prevalent punishment in the society is "exile from the group". So is it regrettable? Yes. Is it outrageous? Not necessarily.
Looks like Japan has yet another thing right.
As Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world, surely this report by amnesty shows what is needed to achieve this. Instead of arguing what is right or inhumane, realise that Japan shows how disturbed these criminals are and to what extreme you have to go to in order to have a safe and secure society.
As Japan has the lowest crime rate in the world, surely this report by amnesty shows what is needed to achieve this. Instead of arguing what is right or inhumane, realise that Japan shows how disturbed these criminals are and to what extreme you have to go to in order to have a safe and secure society.
At least if the thought of an hour left to live drives them insane they won't be insane for long. Also, the option of suicide should be given. A person should be able to take their own life in recognition of the act which the people persecuting them think is wrong. Not a lot of money for a regular execution.
In so doing denying them any possibility of appeal, because we all know that in the history of legal proceedings there have never ever been any miscarriages of justice, people do not get subjected to death by a group of there peers by accident. If we just started shooting people in the docks we would be no different from a kangaroo court. At least think things through before you suggest them.razer17 said:
The language of that ban doesn't make confession + circumstantial evidence illegal, or confession + flimsy evidence.Mazty said:
Gee, the japanese must have a real foolproof legal system. I wonder what their secret is? Since no western legal system is completely foolproof and waterproof since many people have been wrongfully imprisoned despite being innocent of the crimes they've been charged with throughout history.Mazty said:
Seriously, if you believe that the Japanese legal system is in possession of some omnipotent way of "making sure" that the person caught is guilty of the crime then you are BEYOND naive. You're plain fucking stupid...
For pete's sake Japan, kill them already! Killing bad people is one thing, but driving them crazy first? No... no one in existence deserves that.