Jennifer Hepler leaves Bioware due to threats by fans

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Dexter111 said:
The fact of the matter is there are a lot worse things out there (and a lot worse jobs to have) and if it weren?t for the latest gaming tabloid looking for another sensationalist headline you probably wouldn?t even heard of any of this.
Amen to this. Gaming "news" wanted another clickbait story, and didn't even bother reporting anything truthful. Writer who had negative press in the past quit company? Death threats! What's that? The death threats weren't actually the cause of her leaving? I'm not letting the silly "truth" get in the way of my clickbait story! Internet lynch mob mobilize!
 

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Her interview sounds pretty reasonable to me. I've often wished games could be less about combat. One of the reasons I play on easy is because I want that repetitive grind-fest to be over with as quickly as possible. Don't get me wrong, I often enjoy it - just not over and over and over...

Making threats against her kids, though - I hope the police track those losers down and slam them in jail. One of the things I like about America is that that sort of threatening behaviour gets more than a wagging finger.
 

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I thought everyone had moved on past Dragon Age II not being super good...when did that game come out like 4 years ago?

The internet goes to far a lot of the time...

Considering we don't know much about this, I feel like this is more of a Phil Fish quit rather than a quit because of the threats against her family. I think she just got tired of the bullshit. Whether she was a saint or not is completely up to your own opinions. I do hope they find these trolls and put them away. If a person can be jailed for a terrorism "joke" facebook post, then graphic death threats should definitely put them away...

Can't say I blame her though as i'd have been done with the bs long ago...

You know what they say...Some Trolls just wanna watch the internet burn...
 

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Am I a bad person to say I wish she got threatened and left the company BEFORE releasing the abomination that is DA2?
 

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Sounds like this was an excuse to get out of a field of work she felt uncomfortable with.
 

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ItsNotRudy said:
Am I a bad person to say I wish she got threatened and left the company BEFORE releasing the abomination that is DA2?
Yes.


LetalisK said:
...so I never understood how what she said could be used against her.
That would be because you read it.
 

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What the flippity fuck is wrong with some people? Is there any information on WHY they were sending death-threats, or is this just a case of crazy people being crazy?
I haven't found anything anywhere, but from what i gathered it was most likely (take that with a grain of salt though, as I said nothing official anywhere as far as I can tell) because people blamed mostly her for DA2 being shitty. Also this Interview has not gone over well:

Q: What is your least favorite thing about working in the industry?

A: Playing the games. This is probably a terrible thing to admit, but it has definitely been the single most difficult thing for me. I came into the job out of a love of writing, not a love of playing games... I'm really terrible at so many things which most games use incessantly -- I have awful hand-eye coordination, I don't like tactics, I don't like fighting, I don't like keeping track of inventory, and I can't read a game map to save my life.

Q: If you could tell developers of games to make sure to put one thing in games to appeal to a broader audience which includes women, what would that one thing be?

A: A fast-forward button. Games almost always include a way to "button through" dialogue without paying attention, because they understand that some players don't enjoy listening to dialogue and they don't want to stop their fun. Yet they persist in practically coming into your living room and forcing you to play through the combats even if you're a player who only enjoys the dialogue.
So all in all it seems like it's just people being crazy.
Thanks for putting this up.

Yup, that's the kind of answer that makes people hate you especially in the games industry (or any other industry) where people are so fed up of bad products that cost $60. Her leaving is understandable though. I wouldn't want to work like that.

I don't like this. It makes us gamers look like savages, but then again, us folks discussing this issue are probably only the 5% of the crowd. The rest, who don't care about the harm their words do, will just keep doing it. It's reality and until tougher laws are passed, they'll just have to learn to deal with it. It's a nasty world and when people don't like what you made them pay you for, they will find a way to vent their anger at you even if they don't mean it. Not everybody is an expert at expressing their frustrations through logic and reason. It's not good but it's the reality of the situation.

Cyber bullying and it's forms. Don't we already have laws that prohibit this kind of behavior?
 

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ItsNotRudy said:
Am I a bad person to say I wish she got threatened and left the company BEFORE releasing the abomination that is DA2?
Yes you are, very much so.

Its ok to wish she left (she was terrible, lets be honest) but wishing she and her family got death threats is not ok at all, in fact thats pretty disgusting.
 

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freedash22 said:
It's a nasty world and when people don't like what you made them pay you for, they will find a way to vent their anger at you even if they don't mean it. Not everybody is an expert at expressing their frustrations through logic and reason. It's not good but it's the reality of the situation.

Cyber bullying and it's forms. Don't we already have laws that prohibit this kind of behavior?
Well no, not everybody can express anger logically, you are right. That might be part of it. The Polygon article does have an interesting point in it though:

It's as if the internet hit a reset button for some people in terms of how they treat one another.

"It's almost like we're reverting to our primitive tendencies where we didn't know rules of social decorum and so forth," he said, and in the short term it seems to be getting worse, as if people are socially devolving online.

"I feel like how we've progressed over the years and decades, I feel like it's more and more normative to be cruel and then be JK, LOL, not really a big deal, even though we know that words wound...
I mean, people regularly annoy me in real life, sometimes legitimately and sometimes because I'm in a bad mood and it's my fault. I still don't threaten to kill them or their family, or anything close to it. And neither do most people. But it seems much more normal on the internet, why is that? Well the obvious answer is lack of consequence. But it seems sad if that was the only reason. That consequences were the only thing stopping us* from being complete tosspots to one another.


Edit: *us meaning some "some people". Clearly there are plenty of people who aren't dicks on the internet.
 

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MrBrightside919 said:
I thought everyone had moved on past Dragon Age II not being super good...when did that game come out like 4 years ago?

The internet goes to far a lot of the time...

Considering we don't know much about this, I feel like this is more of a Phil Fish quit rather than a quit because of the threats against her family. I think she just got tired of the bullshit. Whether she was a saint or not is completely up to your own opinions. I do hope they find these trolls and put them away. If a person can be jailed for a terrorism "joke" facebook post, then graphic death threats should definitely put them away...

Can't say I blame her though as i'd have been done with the bs long ago...

You know what they say...Some Trolls just wanna watch the internet burn...
Most trolls just want comedy. "Hamburger Helper" jokes are not the same as death threats. All you need is one crazy person.

So what we have here is an aledged, 2 year old death threat and many Escapists (not you) just looking for an excuse to go all doomsday about the state of gaming.
 

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spartandude said:
ItsNotRudy said:
Am I a bad person to say I wish she got threatened and left the company BEFORE releasing the abomination that is DA2?
Yes you are, very much so.

Its ok to wish she left (she was terrible, lets be honest) but wishing she and her family got death threats is not ok at all, in fact thats pretty disgusting.
I think I'm just desensitized by the 10+ death threats received per week of online gaming
 

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LetalisK said:
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When did censorship suddenly become cool? Thousands of people have died for freedom from it and other forms of government control and now everyone is just spitting on their graves.
Speaking as a service member, please do us and those that came before us the honor of not trivializing our sacrifice by using it as a crutch for your argument. Every time someone brings up the graves of soldiers in an emotional appeal it just brings the deaths of soldiers closer to being a cliche right along with "...then the terrorists have won". Same applies if you were speaking generally and not just about service members.

Editted to be more accurate and polite.
Strange. I don't recall stating anything about soldiers. I suppose many of them were but dieing for a cause is not the exclusive domain of soldiers. Seems like an incredibly presumptuous position to take, just so you can allege moral high ground as a matter of occupation. History and even current events have shown that being a soldier is rarely a license for morality given the number of atrocities also committed by "service members" of various countries. Why would you even presume i was bringing up soldiers when they themselves are so often used to stifle free speech?
 

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There's a few things I know about the internet & gamers:
1) If you piss people off, there will be a backlash.
2) If you REALLY piss people off, there will be a REALLY bad backlash.
3) Said backlashes are almost never unprovoked
4) Threats of this nature are not carried-out 99.99999999999% of the time

I don't advocate that gamers continue to react to stuff like this, but I don't see any easy solution to it either because gamers = anonymous people online. They also don't carry out their threats, which is why I've learned to assess threats/hate-messages as simply a gauge of how much people dislike someone. Jennifer Helper wasn't some innocent victim mind you, she didn't exactly help things along.

USA tried to make an example out of some unfortunate 14 yr old by sentencing him to 8 years for making an online joke (I know someone paid his $500,000 bail). But I think that will only result in bigger jokes/threats than ever before, due the sheer number of human rights' violations and misuses of the justice system that happened in that process.
 

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I'm not condoning the "threats," but...that's just what they are. "Threats" on the internet are not the same thing as someone standing in front of you saying the same sort of things. And even then, the content and context of those threats are subject to analysis.

They're assholes. They're not murderers.

Hell, the number of death threats I've personally received on these here interwebs numbers in the hundreds, if not thousands, and I'm just some random schlub. So my overall response to this story, which has already been debunked, is...I don't care?

Frankly, I'd just love to be working in game writing. I'll take all the trolls, whiny kids, "death threats," and more that the web can throw at me. Just give me a job at Bioware.
 

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Frankly, I'd just love to be working in game writing. I'll take all the trolls, whiny kids, "death threats," and more that the web can throw at me. Just give me a job at Bioware.
They can grate on you over time.
 

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I think you've misread her interview, she was referring to wanting the action parts of the game to be skippable, and letting her jump to the (hopefully interactive) dialogue parts. In essence, making it more like a Japanese visual novel style of game.
I think I've read it perfectly fine. She was advocating the inclusion of an option to skip over the game play aspects of a game so that you could jump from one scene to the next and just read/listen-to the dialogue.
So you have never played a Bioware or Obsidian game? How about Walking Dead?

These are all games where the talking is the main reason most people play, and they are not parts where you just sit back and watch. They have game play.
 

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Ok, so apparently she quit because of other things, but something kind of makes me uncomfortable. People flat out stating that the death threats weren't a big deal and that people just need to grow a thicker skin. Here's the thing though. Some people can't grow a thicker skin. Harassment is a very serious issue in the world and it really messes some people up. You can't tell every person who's been traumatized by harassment, who ever committed suicide because of it to grow a thicker skin. Just because you can handle it doesn't mean that everyone else can. And it may seem silly but harassment on the internet is a very real, very serious problem. Cyber-bullying is a thing. What's the solution to the problem? I have no idea. But what I do know is that it isn't something that we should just shrug off.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/7831-Go-Fish

This lack of empathy is uncomfortable.
 

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erttheking said:
Ok, so apparently she quit because of other things, but something kind of makes me uncomfortable. People flat out stating that the death threats weren't a big deal and that people just need to grow a thicker skin. Here's the thing though. Some people can't grow a thicker skin.
The thing is though... 10-15 years ago. That was the way things were on the internet. Threats were bounced off because of anonymity. And that was kinda fun. It made it a place for good things to thrive as well as bad things.

I remember about 6 years ago, when I first heard the term Cyber Bullying. I thought the thick skin argument myself as an internet veteran and troll hobbyist. I had suffered from depression myself and even tried to take my own life a few times. And the community on the net were my only friends and outlet.
I thought that girl who killed herself because someone made a fake boy's profile on myspace was weak. And that defending her was wrong. Who the fuck was she? I thought, that weakling. Now I see that I was wrong. It wasn't her weakness that pissed me off about the whole thing, nor about any of these cyber bullying bullshit bleeding heart crap about kids offing themselves.

The internet's not the problem. It's merely the same social failings that existed before seeping online. It's the fact that people use their real life and tie all their crap up and link it together. We lack mental health checks, there's still stigmas, ect. Ultimately, the cyberbulling problem, is just the standard issue bullying problem. And folks are using the internet as a scapegoat because it's easier and cheaper than building infrastructure and support systems for folks who need them in meatspace.

One of the major drawbacks, and things I personally hate about how the internet is used. Is the lack of anonymity. It robs people who need the freedom and escape and the detachment, and the agency that they provide, from people who could get some good from it. The ability to appear and disappear as anyone you wanted to present yourself as, anywhere you wanted to. At any time. It is freeing, and allows a bit of self discovery.

Now everything's tied to your fucking facebook. A clunky, trendy blue and white all encompassing tumor that you bolt on to your real life and drag around. Anything you ever do or said in either tied together and permanently logged. In a disgusting monolithic unforgetting thing from which people either don't know how to, or don't want to, escape from.

God if I had something like that when I was a kid, I would have killed myself too. It would have made all the social pressure and bullying seem inescapable.


I suppose the crux of my rambling is that internet anonymity is good as it allows for a solace like escape from reality when employed right. And that suicides are examples of the failings of society and bullying at large than on the internet specifically. And that "Cyberbullying" is a hyped up phrase used by halfassed carebears who would rather blame the new tech boogeyman than roll up their sleeves and actually make a decent, longlasting change in modern western society.