Jessica Jones

[Fappy]

I'm six episodes in and loving it. I love the writing, the characters and the performances, though the action scenes are somewhat lacking. Thankfully, I don't really care too much about the fighting. I get more enjoyment out of Jessica doing her PI thing. It's far more interesting than watching her and Luke throw goons around a warehouse.

Hope the second half of the first season delivers. I'll probably finish it by the end of the week.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

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Has ANYONE contested that Kilgrave thinks he's the good guy in this? No. He's the classical "nice guy" and everything women fear in the same. If you aren't going to actually address what I said, why even reference me?

He IS addressing what you said, you glossed over it completely.

Kilgrave being totally amoral does not see his his action as evil so Tenant plays the character the way the character sees himself instead of playing it as comicbook villian. This is why i think the acting decisions are well done.

Your initial issue was,

Actually, I honestly think Tennant is quite shit at it. Most of the things which make him vile are informed attributes. Tennant, meanwhile, is hard to distinguish from his days on Doctor Who except he occasionally swears.

The writing of the character is pretty damn good, I will give the show that. But Tennant is a pretty shite actor for the role.

Mosher's point is that he thinks what makes it work is Tennant's performance as an affable and 'friendly' character, rather than detracting from the role he enhances it because of his particular style of earnest eyes and exuberance. YOUR issue is it reminded you of the Tenth Doctor which is also an affable and friendly character so you weren't impressed, HENCE, Mosher is saying he liked the friendly affable character performance that you disliked. He addressed your point in the first post and you spun it out from there. Tenant's performance is that of an 'ex-lover' who thinks they're in a RomCom when he's actually a deranged sociopath as everyone else points out but because of his powers nobody can actively CORRECT him so he acts fun and relaxed because he's 'untouchable'.

Reading comprehension complete, CARRY ON EVERYONE!

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It's a good show.

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I'm surprised they worked NUKE of all characters into it and I kinda hope Officer Simpson makes it to the second season of Daredevil just because he'd make a cool analogue to the Punisher. The relationship between Jones and Kilgrave is well performed on both sides, though I think they didn't run enough with Jess's split between being super strong and endurable vs how powerless she feels when Kilgrave is involved. Kilgrave on the other hand has some really interesting moments in development as he tries to get things without using his powers, even buying the house, it felt more sinister because of the effort he took NOT to just demand it. This combined with the fact he actively doesn't know HOW to do the right thing makes him a compelling villain, up there with Kingpin who is at least TRYING. Jessica, in contrast, is even more of an anti-hero than Daredevil. Murdock is held back by his urge to do the right thing, juxtaposed to Fisk by how their father's raised them. The best Jones has is Tricia or Malcom telling her to try to be good and being her conscience. But she's in that gritty universe where doing the right thing means doing something horrible. Still watching the show but I think it's got to end with Kilgrave in the morgue.

 

[Something Amyss]

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I'm not sure what you felt you accomplished by misrepresenting me, but it's not appreciated. Being "affable" and "affectionate" still doesn't address my point. So neither did you. Since it's clear neither me nor my opinions are in any way relevant to this line of discussion, I'll leave it at that and not respond further.

 

[RedDeadFred]

I just finished and I think it was even better than Daredevil. All of the characters are quite strong. The plot is interesting and frequently terrifying. Killgrave, while genuinely interesting and almost charming when he tries to be, is a legitimately scary villain. He's right up there with Fisk in terms of Marvel villains (apparently making a compelling villain outside of Netflix is incredibly difficult for them). His motivations are more simple than Fisk's and his despicable actions make him more difficult to sympathize with, but he's still a great character. There's actually a certain point in the series where it looks like it might take a more lighthearted turn and part of me wanted that to happen.

I know I just emphasized Killgrave, but the whole cast is great. I just feel the need to make extra emphasis whenever Marvel actually makes a good villain.

Actually, I honestly think Tennant is quite shit at it. Most of the things which make him vile are informed attributes. Tennant, meanwhile, is hard to distinguish from his days on Doctor Who except he occasionally swears.

The writing of the character is pretty damn good, I will give the show that. But Tennant is a pretty shite actor for the role.

Did you not find him convincing or something? I found his performance very clearly showed that he's a delusional, wreck of a human being. He's essentially playing a man-child with the exact powers you'd never want them to have, and I'd say he does a very good job of it. It sounds more like you didn't want the character itself to go in that direction. Fair enough, the lighthearted psychopath isn't exactly new. If it really is with the acting, what would you have preferred?

 

[BloatedGuppy]

Did you not find him convincing or something? I found his performance very clearly showed that he's a delusional, wreck of a human being. He's essentially playing a man-child with the exact powers you'd never want them to have, and I'd say he does a very good job of it. It sounds more like you didn't want the character itself to go in that direction. Fair enough, the lighthearted psychopath isn't exactly new. If it really is with the acting, what would you have preferred?

If I recall correctly, she suggested the things that make him menacing/distasteful are all informed attributes. We KNOW he's a bad guy via exposition, but Tennant has very little in the way of natural menace. Unlike, say, Ledger's Joker, where there is clearly something off about the guy beyond the face paint and purple suit, or even D'Onofrio's simmering/brooding Fisk, Tennant seems quite chipper.

That said, I REALLY don't want to get into this conversation as I'm only six episodes in and this thread is already turning into a spoiler minefield.

 

[RedDeadFred]

Did you not find him convincing or something? I found his performance very clearly showed that he's a delusional, wreck of a human being. He's essentially playing a man-child with the exact powers you'd never want them to have, and I'd say he does a very good job of it. It sounds more like you didn't want the character itself to go in that direction. Fair enough, the lighthearted psychopath isn't exactly new. If it really is with the acting, what would you have preferred?

If I recall correctly, she suggested the things that make him menacing/distasteful are all informed attributes. We KNOW he's a bad guy via exposition, but Tennant has very little in the way of natural menace. Unlike, say, Ledger's Joker, where there is clearly something off about the guy beyond the face paint and purple suit, or even D'Onofrio's simmering/brooding Fisk, Tennant seems quite chipper.

That said, I REALLY don't want to get into this conversation as I'm only six episodes in and this thread is already turning into a spoiler minefield.

Ah, okay. I guess it's just a difference of opinion. I personally found him very menacing at times. It's not really in your face, but I found him frequently terrifying in the sense that I had no idea what he'd do next. This is BECAUSE of his chipper attitude. He'd talk to you in the same way if he was asking you how your day was (not that he'd care) or he was asking you to kill your parents. That unpredictable danger is what I found menacing about him. Though again, I never watched him in Doctor Who so if the performances are really that similar, I could see it being hard to get past.

 

[Chris Mosher]

If I recall correctly, she suggested the things that make him menacing/distasteful are all informed attributes. We KNOW he's a bad guy via exposition, but Tennant has very little in the way of natural menace. Unlike, say, Ledger's Joker, where there is clearly something off about the guy beyond the face paint and purple suit, or even D'Onofrio's simmering/brooding Fisk, Tennant seems quite chipper.

That said, I REALLY don't want to get into this conversation as I'm only six episodes in and this thread is already turning into a spoiler minefield.

Hey i wont go into spoilers here but my basic point was that someone who is as chipper and friendly as Kilgrave is while doing what Kilgrave does is much more frightening to me. Tenant plays Kilgrave like his Doctor character and not like a villian because in my opinion Kilgrave has never seen himself as the villian. Tenant never goes to the places Ledger or Donofrio is an insight into Kilgrave's veiw of himself.

 

[CaptainMarvelous]

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I'm not sure what you felt you accomplished by misrepresenting me, but it's not appreciated. Being "affable" and "affectionate" still doesn't address my point. So neither did you. Since it's clear neither me nor my opinions are in any way relevant to this line of discussion, I'll leave it at that and not respond further.

How is directly quoting you and explaining something you missed misrepresenting you? And honestly, all I was hoping to accomplish was an apology for the guy you were rude and dismissive to. And as a quick recap, you said you didnt like Tennant as the character for X reason, the respondant said he liked it for X reason, you were rude.

Your opinion is still valid and respected, how you're expressing it not so much.

 

[Glongpre]

Just finished.

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It was getting ridiculous how many times he escaped. Like she has him, then his security team gets him. Fine. Then she gets him again, and the lawyer gets him out. Fair enough, fit in her character. Then she gets him AGAIN! And the Kilgrave'd Anonymous group freaking attacks her, and the stupid girl KO's her with a 2 by 4!! What!?

The ending was well done I thought, I didn't think she would actually kill him, and it was pretty satisfying. Not to mention I was convinced she was mind controlled there. I didn't think she would let that happen to Trish.

I don't think they will give her another show for herself, but they are for sure going to include her in others. Probably in Daredevil. She will at least get a nod. Probably in a Luke Cage show as well.

 

[The Madman]

I don't think they will give her another show for herself, but they are for sure going to include her in others. Probably in Daredevil. She will at least get a nod. Probably in a Luke Cage show as well.

Nah, Jessica Jones is receiving enough critical praise and viewership (especially for an almost completely unheard of property) that she'll almost certainly get a season 2. I just wouldn't expect it anytime soon as Marvel will probably want to get the Cage and Iron Fist seasons out plus Daredevil season 2 before they even begin to get working on it.

It has been heavily hinted at however that she'll likely have some presence in Daredevil's season 2 and without doubt Luke Cage's series, so even before her own season 2 we'll still be seeing more of Jessica Jones.

Incidentally I quite like that Jessica isn't invincible. Daredevil got beat up a lot and nearly killed at another point, but he nevertheless was practically invulnerable against any sort of 'regular' enemy. By contrast Jessica is a hell of a lot stronger than Daredevil but has no real fight training to speak of and basically tends to just throw people around a lot as a result, so even 'regular folk' if there's enough of them or catch her by surprise can take her down. I thought that was neat.

 

[Glongpre]

I don't think they will give her another show for herself, but they are for sure going to include her in others. Probably in Daredevil. She will at least get a nod. Probably in a Luke Cage show as well.

Nah, Jessica Jones is receiving enough critical praise and viewership (especially for an almost completely unheard of property) that she'll almost certainly get a season 2. I just wouldn't expect it anytime soon as Marvel will probably want to get the Cage and Iron Fist seasons out plus Daredevil season 2 before they even begin to get working on it.

It has been heavily hinted at however that she'll likely have some presence in Daredevil's season 2 and without doubt Luke Cage's series, so even before her own season 2 we'll still be seeing more of Jessica Jones.

Incidentally I quite like that Jessica isn't invincible. Daredevil got beat up a lot and nearly killed at another point, but he nevertheless was practically invulnerable against any sort of 'regular' enemy. By contrast Jessica is a hell of a lot stronger than Daredevil but has no real fight training to speak of and basically tends to just throw people around a lot as a result, so even 'regular folk' if there's enough of them or catch her by surprise can take her down. I thought that was neat.

I just feel like we have already seen her biggest struggle, and that if she were to get another season, she would split screentime with other heroes that she will be working with, like Daredevil. Obviously, the next season will be her trying out being a hero, and doubting herself and stuff. Actually, they could turn it interesting because they aren't afraid of showing her kill people. Maybe have her use too much force and kill someone, like a bank robber and be utterly devastated. They should definitely stick to her being fairly weak and flawed (compared to other superheroes). Oooo, ooo, and they could also bring in Trish as whatever her persona will be. Simpson will be the villain, because of what they were uncovering during the final few episodes.

It was good they didn't make her invincible. But like, if you have the strength she does, there needs to be some consistency. She would have no problem with any normal person, even with no training.

 

[Fappy]

Just binged the second half of the season after work. It wasn't perfect by any means, but I still loved it.

I don't think they will give her another show for herself, but they are for sure going to include her in others. Probably in Daredevil. She will at least get a nod. Probably in a Luke Cage show as well.

Nah, Jessica Jones is receiving enough critical praise and viewership (especially for an almost completely unheard of property) that she'll almost certainly get a season 2. I just wouldn't expect it anytime soon as Marvel will probably want to get the Cage and Iron Fist seasons out plus Daredevil season 2 before they even begin to get working on it.

It has been heavily hinted at however that she'll likely have some presence in Daredevil's season 2 and without doubt Luke Cage's series, so even before her own season 2 we'll still be seeing more of Jessica Jones.

Incidentally I quite like that Jessica isn't invincible. Daredevil got beat up a lot and nearly killed at another point, but he nevertheless was practically invulnerable against any sort of 'regular' enemy. By contrast Jessica is a hell of a lot stronger than Daredevil but has no real fight training to speak of and basically tends to just throw people around a lot as a result, so even 'regular folk' if there's enough of them or catch her by surprise can take her down. I thought that was neat.

I just feel like we have already seen her biggest struggle, and that if she were to get another season, she would split screentime with other heroes that she will be working with, like Daredevil. Obviously, the next season will be her trying out being a hero, and doubting herself and stuff. Actually, they could turn it interesting because they aren't afraid of showing her kill people. Maybe have her use too much force and kill someone, like a bank robber and be utterly devastated. They should definitely stick to her being fairly weak and flawed (compared to other superheroes). Oooo, ooo, and they could also bring in Trish as whatever her persona will be. Simpson will be the villain, because of what they were uncovering during the final few episodes.

It was good they didn't make her invincible. But like, if you have the strength she does, there needs to be some consistency. She would have no problem with any normal person, even with no training.

I think they have enough to work with for a second season. Jessica had a decent character arc, but there's still a lot to her I think we have yet to explore.

I'm beginning to get more hyped for the Marvel Netflix shows than I am for the movies.