Jimquisition: Hardcore Hypocrisy

[Jimothy Sterling]

Hardcore Hypocrisy

There are hardcore gamers out there so proud of their self-styled character trait that they shall defend it jealously. For indeed, it is they who get to judge whether or not others are worthy of being called gamers, it is they who decide what is and what is not a true videogame, and they shall brutally eject any fail to live up to their high standards. It's just a shame that their standards are bollocks and their judgments hypocritical.

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[mad825]

I thought Hardcore gamers were determined by how many and how often they play games but not what games they play...Nevertheless, the most "simple" games can be the hardiest to play.

Your definition of "causal" or "hardcore" can easily be determined by the style of play rather than the game itself so I wouldn't be too quick to judge others for being causal/hardcore gamers.

People who say that a game isn't a game are being arrogant and are not worth a single breath to explain how that game is a game.

 

[Otaku World Order]

So... Call of Duty is casual and Mario Kart is hardcore? Did I wake up in the Bizarro universe or something?

 

[MonkeyPunch]

Does anyone actually consider themselves a hardcore, or casual gamer?
Seems a bit two dimensional and restrictive...

 

[Qitz]

Never did get the whole Hardcore Vs Casual "debate." Course that's probably because what people define as such changes all the time.

If you didn't beat Ninja Gaiden on the Super-Duper-Awesome-Sploder-Ninja-Mindfuck-OMFGWTFBBQ-End-It-Now difficulty you were a scrub. Now it's just liking a game for handhelds, like Angry Birds. Or if you did beat it you were a no life having nerd. Seems like just a bunch of pointless e-peening that comes with the internet.

Not too much of a surprise that they're both Hypocrites.

 

[Lilani]

I loved the last line. "You'll thank God for me...ya hypocritical cunts." This is definitely a video a few of my friends need to see.

 

[Daystar Clarion]

Still doesn't explain why you gave Mario Kart that score for 'not changing anything', then MW3 ended up with a very high score.

You know Call of Duty right? That thing that gets repackaged every year?

I'm not a fan of Mario Kart myself, in fact, I prefer CoD to MK, but to see such a huge scoring difference is bizarre.

Any game can be as hardcore or as casual as you make it. Mario, for most people, is a casual experience, but there will always be the speed run fanatics.

 

[infinity_turtles]

Huh, interesting. That said, i don't like simple games. I grew up on Earthbound, FF6, Breath of Fire 3, Might and Magic 6+, Baldur's Gate, and so on and so forth. RPGs with some depth to them. Granted, I don't rail on simple games, only games that are being simplified over their previous iterations, so I'm not sure I'm part of the group being talked about anyway.

 

[Orks da best]

I have always used this definition of gamer. Do you play games, 'yes', do you like playing games, 'yes', congratulations, you are a gamer.

aye, but my definition of casuls vs hardcore is the amount not the diffculty or challage, if you play game a little, you are casual, if you play games alot you are hardcore, diffculty does not factor in.

 

[Brisingr]

Interesting episode there, Can't say I've actually played Infinity Blade myself but I can't see anything wrong with it. I don't play all that many ISO games, but only because I have an unhealthy attachment to my keyboard and mouse

 

[Mangue Surfer]

I always had the impression that to be hardcore it has to be new, that games like Mario and Punch-out are casual because they are old. At least that's the impression that you people of the internet give to me.

 

[lord.jeff]

I'm really glad that the whole Casual vs. Hardcore has for the most part disappeared; it was the dumbest of all the downfall of gaming crap that I've heard over the years.

 

[Moffman]

hahaha! The Mario Kart player... Oh the Mario Kart player. Very funny episode Jim! I reckon this hypocritical behaviour spawns from the way we socialise on the internet, we see a lot of people willing to hurl poo at each other on youtube but would we see it any where else from these same people in real life? Doubtful. I don't know why but usernames seem to give people a barrier. If someone on the internet thinks I'm an idiot there is no way that they can link my idiotic comments to a real person. I can call a gangster a "fag" on the internet, but they're unlikely to be able to hunt me down and shoot out my knee caps .

 

[AJey]

I guess every good point he makes has a counterpart. And that would be it. "Too simple" IS a criticism. I enjoy games with good stories, interesting and lovable characters, complex mechanics and many other things that make up a AAA game. And when I see Mario Kart, for example, of course I gonna say "too simple" in a bad, or rather criticizing, way. Any hardcore gamer would. Such phrase does not imply low quality or something inherently bad about a game. It just means its too simple for that person, too basic.

Its also irrelevant where the gaming roots are. Gaming is moving forward. Its evolution in a basic sense. So I can always appreciate the impact and history of early games, who were intrinsically simple, yet at the same time find them too simple and move to more interesting and complex games. Demonizing gamers who think casual games are too simple is stupid!

 

[Irridium]

Still doesn't explain why you gave Mario Kart that score for 'not changing anything', then MW3 ended up with a very high score.

You know Call of Duty right? That thing that gets repackaged every year?

I'm not a fan of Mario Kart myself, in fact, I prefer CoD to MK, but to see such a huge scoring difference is bizarre.

If you're scoring based solely on them re-releasing and not changing much every year, then yeah, they should be the same.

But that's where any similarities between the two end. One is a shooter, the other is a kart racer for fuck's sake. How anyone can even compare them is just... ridiculous. They're two entirely different games with entirely different styles aimed at entirely different markets.

Or if you want an actual explanation, it's because Call of Duty is really, really good at what it does, which is set-piece campaign, solid shooting controls, and addictive multiplayer and MW3 continued that. Whereas Mario Kart didn't do so well at what it does, which is kart racing. And it didn't do so well at that.

Again, one's a huge-budgeted shooter aimed at the console market. The other's a kart-racer aimed at the handheld market. They have NOTHING in common beyond being games that don't change much with each release.

 

[Otaku World Order]

Never did get the whole Hardcore Vs Casual "debate." Course that's probably because what people define as such changes all the time.

If you didn't beat Ninja Gaiden on the Super-Duper-Awesome-Sploder-Ninja-Mindfuck-OMFGWTFBBQ-End-It-Now difficulty you were a scrub. Now it's just liking a game for handhelds, like Angry Birds. Or if you did beat it you were a no life having nerd. Seems like just a bunch of pointless e-peening that comes with the internet.

Not too much of a surprise that they're both Hypocrites.

Next Hardcore Gamers will define themselves by playing with controllers wrapped in barbed wire! And they hit casual gamers with folding chairs and powerbomb them though flaming tables! HARDCORE! HARDCORE! HARDCORE!

 

[Mr. Omega]

1: @0:21-0:36 I believe the proper name for this subset is "PC Gamers."

2: Good to see someone else hates Bomberman Act Zero! HAAAAATE!

3: I believe "Simple is best" is a great way to say it. Just because it's simple doesn't mean its bad. And yes, Mario might be "casual", but it's GOOD. It's a GOOD GAME. I don't care how "deep" or "complex" or "gritty" or "immersive" it is as long as it is GOOD or FUN before any of that.

4: The whole "It's taking resources away from hardcore games" argument is BS. Look at the endless shooter flood we're still stuck in. The only difference between that and what was supposed to be the great "casual apocalypse" is that the shooters are supposed to be the games for us (the "hardcore" gamer) as opposed to trying to get a different market entirely.

 

[Roserari]

If we are all wrong, and you are right. THen what happens when we agree with you?