I read the description before watchign and hesitated for fear of seeing Jim Sterling in lingerie. I was spared visual scarring but my imagination is now dead.razuk said:
Jimquisition: Let's End the FPS Sausage-fest
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While that was the example I was thinking of, I can't get past the fact that it's throwing up an easy target for the militant feminist in me, who will no doubt point out that the fact that the one female's sole purpose is to be rescued isn't all that much of a step forward.Kitsune Hunter said:
Still, a woman in CoD is a woman in CoD.
I don't really see how that is deserving of props, since other games have included female mp characters years before Halo 3 was around. Notable examples include Unreal, Quake 3, Goldeneye and Perfect Dark. Unless you're referring to Halo being a sausage-fest before the third game.razuk said:
Speaking of Perfect Dark though, apart from No One Live Forever and Mirror's Edge, I can't think of any other fps that has a woman as the main (and only) playable characters in singleplayer.
It's not militant feminism to point out that responding to claims that you don't take women seriously as soldiers by including one as a person in need of rescue is a bit like responding to claims of excluding other races by including a few slaves.
I guess there was that one woman in COD4, yeah, though we can assume she was the last of her kind, made extinct in that terrible war.
If there is a 3rd person game I am playing has a female character model, I make it a point to use the female model. If I'm going to be staring at the backside of my character for untold hours I at least want something half way decent to look at.
hmm. crotch-less knickers..
hmm. crotch-less knickers..
Speaking as a male who is comfortable playing as either male or female avatars in a game, I agree. It would be nice to have the extra variety.
But then, I don't hardly ever play online games, so I'm not sure my opinion on the matter really holds much weight.
But then, I don't hardly ever play online games, so I'm not sure my opinion on the matter really holds much weight.
Yes but they also have the option to play in 3rd person and is more of a fantasic adventure freaking awsome game that has stealth elements and magic spells and other great things. I'd just like to see a game like call of duty, minus the guns. With a whole lote more blood and a fun but not over complicated mele system.
Its funny, I remember there being exactly ONE woman soldier in an FPS game. And that was COD 4, that helicopter pilot you tried to rescue. And that's it as far as I know. Every COD after that never had a female in any kind of combat role or even in a support role.
While there are few women in military combat just having them to be rescued isn't all that much as a positive step. "Rescue the girl" is about as old a gameplay concept as "shoot the thing" anyway so its wasn't all that spectacular in any way at all.
That's pretty much what I wanted to say. Realism is not a good argument for the inclusion of female characters in shooters like these. However, as we all know sometimes realism needs to take a backseat to other more important things in order to make a game fun. It seems that in most games the main character is performing feats that are realistically beyond any man or woman's ability, so I don't see why we shouldn't allow people to play as women. If she's in a unit that in the real world doesn't allow women, just say that she was so impossibly awesome that they made an exception.MatParker116 said:
We had playable female characters in bloody old-school shooters like Goldeneye and Perfect Dark, and modern ones like Halo: Reach have awesome female characters in multiplayer.
Really, there's zero excuse not to have women in your games. Yeah, I'm a woman, and I always pick women to play as in FPS if the option is available. SOOOO many games have female characters in FPS multiplayer that when a studio like the ones making Battlefield, Call of Duty, or Aliens: Colonel Marines say it's "too hard" or "too costly", I pretty much know it's actually just "laziness". Games with half their budgets are churning out games with a balance of genders and doing it JUST FINE.
Really, there's zero excuse not to have women in your games. Yeah, I'm a woman, and I always pick women to play as in FPS if the option is available. SOOOO many games have female characters in FPS multiplayer that when a studio like the ones making Battlefield, Call of Duty, or Aliens: Colonel Marines say it's "too hard" or "too costly", I pretty much know it's actually just "laziness". Games with half their budgets are churning out games with a balance of genders and doing it JUST FINE.
It really is a weird phenomenon, since I barely play any multi-player FPS's I hadn't heard about this issue. Still not putting any women is stupid in games that are supposed to have massive appeal or are in the future is plain lazy.
Yet I can think of a FPS that needs no female characters and that is Team Fortress 2, a game which still plenty of women play and has tons of yaoi for some reason. It would interesting to release a Team Fortress 2 esque FPS with only women in it and see how it goes.
Come on Jim, you shouldn't have thanked God this time, thank Mother Gea, when dressing a feminist womyn, you don't need to thank a phallocentric Male God, thank a female one, for Gea's sake.
Yet I can think of a FPS that needs no female characters and that is Team Fortress 2, a game which still plenty of women play and has tons of yaoi for some reason. It would interesting to release a Team Fortress 2 esque FPS with only women in it and see how it goes.
Come on Jim, you shouldn't have thanked God this time, thank Mother Gea, when dressing a feminist womyn, you don't need to thank a phallocentric Male God, thank a female one, for Gea's sake.
I would like to know what's the point of adding female models in a FPS like call of duty though, you're not going to see any difference in the fast paced action.
I support the idea of adding female char models in a game like BRINK, because the female characteristics are noticeable more easily and game was about customization.
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I support the idea of adding female char models in a game like BRINK, because the female characteristics are noticeable more easily and game was about customization.
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I would like to point out another balance issue with models of both sexes.
Classes.
Now, imagine you are playing TF2 and you see a glimpse of a character model, as pointed out by valve in its commentary, character models in the game are modeled so you can instantly know the players class from its silhouette.Having female versions would screw that up completely.
Your mind is constantly trying to tie character models with classes.
Even if you pass that issue, society still thinks women are the weaker/more kind side of gender.Which would trick the player into thinking that the female models are non-hostiles.
Other than that, i completely agree.
Classes.
Now, imagine you are playing TF2 and you see a glimpse of a character model, as pointed out by valve in its commentary, character models in the game are modeled so you can instantly know the players class from its silhouette.Having female versions would screw that up completely.
Your mind is constantly trying to tie character models with classes.
Even if you pass that issue, society still thinks women are the weaker/more kind side of gender.Which would trick the player into thinking that the female models are non-hostiles.
Other than that, i completely agree.
That's a look almost straight out of saints row
I really don't see why women are excluded from fps games
Especially that alien one
Doesn't seem like it should be that big a deal
Also halo reach had female Spartans, not that you could really tell which is a good thing
Id also like to break the all men are 6 foot meat bags
In the future there is only war and you are a conscripted 5 foot British ex rock-star
Being able to take cover more effectively than anybody else adds to you combat effectiveness more so than even your aim in video games and real life
Being big does not mean as much anymore unless you have aspirations of becoming a space marine who also are not gender exclusive I think. Sure all the women only exist in one chapter but they are all immune to the effects of the warp or something.
I really don't see why women are excluded from fps games
Especially that alien one
Doesn't seem like it should be that big a deal
Also halo reach had female Spartans, not that you could really tell which is a good thing
Id also like to break the all men are 6 foot meat bags
In the future there is only war and you are a conscripted 5 foot British ex rock-star
Being able to take cover more effectively than anybody else adds to you combat effectiveness more so than even your aim in video games and real life
Being big does not mean as much anymore unless you have aspirations of becoming a space marine who also are not gender exclusive I think. Sure all the women only exist in one chapter but they are all immune to the effects of the warp or something.
This week's Jimquisition (Through the eyes of a Podtoid fan):
00:20 - *round of applause because I never saw that coming*
00:21-05:15 - *takes Jim's words as gospel*
05:16 - try and figure out how confident Jim was to dress up for the occasion.
But seriously, hopefully the games industry'll pull it's head in.....at some point.....
00:20 - *round of applause because I never saw that coming*
00:21-05:15 - *takes Jim's words as gospel*
05:16 - try and figure out how confident Jim was to dress up for the occasion.
But seriously, hopefully the games industry'll pull it's head in.....at some point.....
Good episode, and fair points. I always said the same thing when people say that woman can't be in games, because you have to make them weaker or smaller or some nonsense.
That said, Jim I have to know: are they real?
That said, Jim I have to know: are they real?
That's why I enjoyed Saints Row 2 so much. In FPSs it doesn't really matter as much. I'll have to ask my wife if she would appreciate that or even notice; she likes CoD but I've never heard her complain that it's all dick. I think that most people still think of open combat as being a more masculine area.porpoise hork said:
And as George Carlin would've pointed out; in FPSs they're all running around with weapons that are shaped like dicks, killing people with projectiles shaped like dicks, so they can drop bombs shaped like dicks.