Jimquisition: Limited Collector's Complete Edition

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Vault101

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erttheking said:
Am I an idiot for buying ME3 collector's addition. Meh, maybe. Do I regret that choice? Meh, not really.
why would it make you an idiot? it just means you think the extra stuff is worth it

(and no Im not just saying that because Im geting it too....*cough*)

I figured since mass effect was at one point MY FAVORITE THING EVER I would end the series with somthing special
 

Ipsen

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Satosuke said:
So what if a special edition or 'game of the year' edition of a game is released a good chunk of time after the game's initial launch, with all the DLC included? That's a great way to get new players interested. And no, you're not stupid for buying the game when it's first released; all that means is you wanted to play the game now instead of later.
GOTY editions are awesome when they come around. I play nearly every genre out there, so GOTY editions are near-guaranteed games I'd love, plus all of the worthy, game-extending DLC along for the ride.

But I can't say that will be the next bloke's choice, even if it's hailed as 'The Game of the Year' of some year. Price is an issue too; While I know the GOTY edition is a significant price reduction compared to the content provided, it's still a $50-$60 game to a person who's not familiar with the game.


I'll agree with you that no one is a fool for buying a great game on/near release day. If you do feel like a fool, ask yourself if you REALLY feel more entertained hearing about how amazing a game is, or just playing the damn game. You'll have to sort out the cost from there.
 

Akimoto

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After this video, it hit me. The best way to protest is not to boycott or *insert other means here*. It's to wait for the price to drop. Publishers like to boast about first day/week/month sales. If we wait for the price to drop - usually a year or so - it's like poking them in the eye legitimately.

The hard part is the waiting I guess.
 

uguito-93

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Is it just me or is he completely missing the point of complete editions? You know, the whole releasing it a year later for a cheaper price with included dlc? you know, to give older games a bit of steam after its already fallen out of most people radars?
 

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Aww, poor Jim. You need a hug.

... can't quite... get arms... around...

Er... high five!

And thank God for you. When I first saw your videos I thought it sucked. And then you improved it, became more objective instead of just vitriolic, and generally became more interesting. Now you're one of my favourite gaming soap-boxers, and I implore you to take a holiday in London to do a Speaker's Corner special.
 

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Well I've never felt guilty about buying used.
However, if it's something I really want then I will buy new.

I know a couple of people who work as games developers and they're not happy about pre-owned sales. Not because of some moralistic reason, it's just that simply they don't get any money from a pre-owned sale unlike a new game sale.

Mind you, with price cuts I have seen some stores offer a brand new game CHEAPER than the same game pre-owned.
 

Quellist

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I always wonder about special editions. Are people really paying the ext 20 or 30 or 50 or 100 dollars to get the little bit of extra content or do they want the cheap gimmick crap that comes in those packs.

I mean does any really care about "Art books"?
All depends on the game... Gears of War had a pretty sweet art book, Final Fantasy XIII also.
 

Something Amyss

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*sigh*

I'm gonna have to do it.

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Though, more to the point. By your argument, you're not even paying for the game anymore when you buy it new. You're paying for the dubious privilege of playing it first
You're paying extra for the dubious privilege of playing it first. And honestly, I'm not quite sure where the surprise is. This is not a new business model, especially for entertainment.

And, oh boy, if publishers catch onto people like you, there's a slippery slope if I ever saw one. Next thing you know they'll start having an "early access" fee you can pay to get the game a few weeks before everyone else and, sadly, people would pay for that.
Bad news: Some games already offer early access....

You're also willingly paying more for less content. Take the people who bought MvC3. They dropped $60 on that game then, less than a year later, UMvC3 came out with more modes and characters. With that one, the way Capcom worked out the DLC is that buying the DLC as stand-alones cost almost double what it was to just buy UMvC3; basically taking a huge dump on the face of everyone who paid to play it first.
Honestly, anyone who bought MVC3 without understanding Capcom's usual model deserved what they got. This is not some new, super-secret technique and customers should be aware.

In fact, isn't this exactly what Jim was saying? Capcom's trained consumers to expect a new edition, and another, and another. There is little reason to buy the base game unless you have to play it now.

On to your new player point, if you are indeed just paying for the bragging rights of playing it first, shouldn't someone who buys the game new, even later on, get all the added DLC for free anyway rather than have the need for multiple "editions"? That would even give the publishers an excuse to keep the game at full price. Sure its 6 months later and still $60, but you're getting access to 6months of DLC at no additional cost. But no, instead you're left to deal with what are effectively a beta version of the game, which you paid full price for, and the complete edition of the game, which you now have to pay full price for.
No, the price of these games depreciates rapidly except in very few instances. Once a GOTY or bonus content edition is announced, the price will drop. Six months later, it's unlikely you will pay 60 bucks for the "beta" version, and that's another part of what Jim was saying.

Or, do the reverse of that and most, if not all, future DLC is included in the price of the game. You bought it on day 1? You get all the DLC forever for free. But, if someone buys it 6months later, used or otherwise, then they have the option of buying that backlog of DLC, thus allowing the publisher to recoup some losses from time,etc.
We've given them no incentive to do so. Why give bonuses to the people guaranteed to buy your game?

Why do you hate America, comrade?
I LOLed. I admit it.
 

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Dude what the heck are you saying? That it's wrong that games go down in price with time? That companies shouldn't offer us the pricing plans we want?

And what on earth is your point about collectors editions? It doesn't cause any problem, if we don't want it, we don't buy it and buy.. the actual game.

I'll be honest, you came off as really hipster and non-reasoning this time, which isn't usual for you at all. You're just lashing out without reason. This was as bad as you suggesting that Skyrim was an argument that we don't need online passes because the singleplayer game didn't have one?!!

Stop being such a sheep and start thinking. I don't even object to what you're saying, but that you're putting zero thought into it and just spouting 'US is as bad as the facists' bull. No-one like a populist :D
 

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I have never actually looked at the used industry and gamestop from this point. I have also changed a bit in my line of thought on what gamestop actually does.

1)It is everyone's right to buy used. However, the thing that has always rubbed me wrong was the entitlement based whining that goes along with someone buying used.
2) Funny enough, I have been doing this for ages. I wait for a GotY edition for just about any game I am interested in. Funny enough, every game I have been interested in (and some I haven't) has had a later 'complete' or 'GotY' release *hugs his elder scrolls*

Other Thoughts: I guess my problem with gamestop is how they ripoff alot of persons who are ignorant about gaming (i.e. non-gamer parents) or those who do not have the best decision making skills (i.e. kids whose parents give them the money to buy a game). I think Gamestop would fail in a second if a true competitor came along, and they didn't adjust their business model. That thought alone lets me know that Gamestop has some rather unsavory practices. Secondly, I guess I never took into consideration the fact that publishers do shoot themselves in the foot with some pretty unsavor bull$#!4
 

Ashley Blalock

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I agree with Jim the game industry has been doing a fantastic job of training me to wait on games. You could pay $60 and have to buy all the DLC or wait sometimes less than a year to get the game for $20 with all the extras thrown in as well.

There was a time when it was you snooze you lose with waiting on a price drop because if you didn't get the game at just the right time waiting on a price drop you might miss out on the game until the sequel was made, which could be years. Now you can almost depend on a better cheaper edition down the road. So about the only thing I'd pay new price on is something all my friends are playing.

My beef with collectors editions is the bad ones. Some companies still put together a great set filled with really cool things, but so many feel like random stuff thrown in to charge more for a game you might not love that much.

Ugh, and I agree the retailer incentives are just a damn mess. Isn't it enough deciding if you want to pay new game prices for something without the hassle of having to decide where you want to buy the game over something like what costume Batman can wear.
 

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Zachary Amaranth said:
A Working Class Hero says "Thank God For Me."

Also, thank you for actually pointing out that Gamestop is being put in the position where used sales are the only way to make money. I've been the only one I'm aware of saying this for ages. While it doesn't make them nice guys, they're still not the second coming of Satan as they're so often made out to be.

And honestly, the reason I don't own Skyrim is I can get a GotY edition in six months or so. Though that won't affect Skyrim the way it will Enslaved.

Speaking of, Kingdom of Amalur is a game I want to like, but fear it will probably suck. I'm not opting into a special edition of any game like that.
Also by waiting for Skyrim, you have a better chance of it not being broken.
I just rent everything now. That way I know if it will suck or not. I already have Amalur in my Q.
The problem with Gamestop is that by "gaming" the system of used game market and effectively gouging it, their profits were really really high while their gouging actually did a disservice to consumers. If they provided better used prices to consumers and took that cut to their obscene profits, they would get a lot less complaints.
I don't mind DLC when it's a good value expansion of a game that was already a good value but that's rarely the case so its usually a better idea to just wait for the Complete edition. I don't think this would be a problem at all if people felt they were getting a good value for their $60 in the first place. I just posted this on another thread, I don't know it's origin but I think it says it best:


Still, to get their sales back to last gen levels, they have to get more consoles into peoples homes; there are still a hell of a lot less PS3s & 360s out there than there were ps2s at this point in that cycle. That's another big reason for low sales.
 

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I dont care what he says. Valve is my friend... they bought me with 250 euros worth of games this christmas.
 

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yes... and after it goes back to the publishers it then goes back to the consumers again
because publishers wouldn't do "that shit" if they wouldn't have customers that pay them for "that shit"
 

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I can sometimes overlook the the expansions and missing DLC, but waiting for patches to bug ridden games before you can play, is the real dealbreaker. So usually wait and get the complete, finished version for cheap.