Jimquisition: Monster Boobs And Plastic Children

[GTwander]

Hell, I won't even go so far as to judge people if they love tits that look and behave like over-filled water balloons.

Though I do admit, the blatant pandering does detract greatly from my experiences with their games.

Until it becomes something you come to *expect* from their games.
Metal Gear has miles of exposition, Metroid has miles of backtracking, DoA has miles of boobs.

The franchises wouldn't be the same without it, regardless of how much of an improvement it *seems* on a case-to-case basis.

~Also, I've never played a DoA game (volleyball included) and hit the conclusion that the females look like children. Personally, I think that's a freudian slip on behalf of everyone saying it's the case, as it's what they want to see, and thusly feel the need to demonize in order to avoid being suspect for seeing it in the first place. Ya'll disgust me.

 

[JimB]

Metal Gear has miles of exposition; Metroid has miles of backtracking; DoA has miles of boobs.

I'm just one guy speaking only for himself, but: None of those things you mention increase my enjoyment of the games they're in. They decrease my enjoyment, in most instances (I have more tolerance for Metroid games and their backtracking than I ought to).

I've never played a DoA game (volleyball included) and hit the conclusion that the females look like children. Personally, I think that's a Freudian slip on behalf of everyone saying it's the case, as it's what they want to see, and thus feel the need to demonize in order to avoid being suspect for seeing it in the first place.

Their facial features have the smoothness and lack of definition that I associate with childhood. They look like they have not grown into their faces yet.

Y'all disgust me.

Have you noticed how you keep making statements to the effect of, "Normal, healthy people like these 'breasts,' so anyone who dislikes them is abnormal and unhealthy?"

If I was into psychoanalysis, I'd probably be wondering why you need to create this division where there are people who agree with you and people who are sick in the head and no one else.

 

[GTwander]

I've never played a DoA game (volleyball included) and hit the conclusion that the females look like children. Personally, I think that's a Freudian slip on behalf of everyone saying it's the case, as it's what they want to see, and thus feel the need to demonize in order to avoid being suspect for seeing it in the first place.

Their facial features have the smoothness and lack of definition that I associate with childhood. They look like they have not grown into their faces yet.

Y'all disgust me.

Have you noticed how you keep making statements to the effect of, "Normal, healthy people like these 'breasts,' so anyone who dislikes them is abnormal and unhealthy?"

If I was into psychoanalysis, I'd probably be wondering why you need to create this division where there are people who agree with you and people who are sick in the head and no one else.

You've really got a hard-on for my posts lately.

1. If you look at DoA games of the past (back on the OG Xbox, where the smoothness is a byproduct of technical limitations and the artistic choices made because of it) vs the newer ones, you'll notice that not much has changed in terms of art style - and that's for an obvious reason. Reinventing the looks of characters is a dumb idea for a well-ingrained franchise, and they are catering to long-time fans by not doing it. Though, you could argue the cel-shaded style of the new Street Fighter goes against that grain. Essentially, the look of DoA characters hasn't changed at all (besides the boobs), so why are you all bitching about the faces all of a sudden?

2. I made my point about the critics seeing sexy children by nature and then condemning it. It's all in their head, and I don't care who agrees with me - because who in their right mind would admit to that?

*shades drop*
"deal with it"

~and to the point about exposition, backtracking and boobs ruining your enjoyment of a title - let me remind you that if every game did exactly what you wanted, you'd then have an issue with them all being far too homogenous. Sometimes things need a little detriment in order to remain unique or stay in their niche. I'm not going to argue over that with you, though. It's like saying "eat your veggies because it's good for you".

 

[theultimateend]

I thought he tried a little too hard to push the pedophile line, but otherwise the video was funny.

One of those weird projection things, like when dudes get into congress and rant about homosexuals then get caught knocking boots in a men's bathroom.

 

[hickwarrior]

My favorite argument so far has been "You don't like boobs" as if that's what the DoA girls have.

Fascinatingly in-depth and serious responses to my frankly ludicrous video though. Interesting stuff.

Well, this is the escapist we're talking about. I guess you just need to lighten up a bit more.

Thank god for jim for giving us that bit of info.

 

[Gordon_4_v1legacy]

I've realized the error I made in talking about the fact the DoA girls look like kids. It's small wonder the fans keep defending that by saying, "Nuh uh, they don't have the bodies of children!" My argument rests on how they have porcelain kiddy faces, but I'm telling that to people who have never looked that far up the body of a DoA girl.

My mistake!

Which one looks more like a child below? I think you've bitten off more than you can chew. You've focused so much on a single hair (the face) you've missed the whole Gorilla. Regardless of breasts, face, shading, coloring, even movement, no one looks at these models and says "oh what a hot looking child". Whether you think it or not THAT'S what your implying: DoA players like sexy children, and that's why there's so many comments. You know better. Much like a man midget doesn't look like a boy, the features (which include boobs) are part of what define the age.

If you wanted to talk just about the face you wouldn't have directly assaulted Team Ninja with sensationalist overall comments. Your angry because their business model has shifted more to making money with boobs and your scrambling for ways to tear them down. Out of every angle you could have picked this is the most underhanded BS i've seen in a while.

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Well, no offence but while Juliet is just as much a virtual strumpet as Tina there, Juliet is built reasonably proportionately. Tina's got the upper land value, but lacks the solid foundations (hips) to carry them off.

Besides, Jun Kazama is better looking than both of them

 

[JimB]

You've really got a hard-on for my posts lately.

You keep calling me a liar and a latent pedophile for not agreeing with your specific sexual tastes. Don't act indignant that I feel like responding to that.

If you look at DoA games of the past (back on the original X-Box, where the smoothness is a byproduct of technical limitations and the artistic choices made because of it) vs the newer ones, you'll notice that not much has changed in terms of art style, and that's for an obvious reason.

Yes, the reason is obvious: to sell sex with things cobbled together like Frankenstein's monster to have the bodies of twenty-something strippers and the faces of fourteen-year-olds so the viewer can deliberately choose which fetish he wants to masturbate to.

Essentially, the look of DoA characters hasn't changed at all (besides the boobs), so why are you all bitching about the faces all of a sudden?

You said the female characters of the Dead or Alive franchise don't look like children. I disagree, and their faces are why. In short, I'm bitching about it because you brought it up.

It's all in their head, and I don't care who agrees with me, because who in their right mind would admit to that?

I love how you've created this bizarre universe where the act of disagreeing with you is proof that people agree with you. There is no circumstance under which you can possibly be wrong about anyone, because there's only one possibility--yours--and anyone who denies it is lying.

And to the point about exposition, backtracking and boobs ruining your enjoyment of a title: Let me remind you that if every game did exactly what you wanted, you'd then have an issue with them all being far too homogenous.

Let me get this straight.

The only possible way the Metal Gear franchise can be significantly different from any other game is to make me put down the controller and watch silently for twenty minutes every ten minutes of game play; the only possible way the Metroid franchise can be significantly different from any other game is to ask me to backtrack through every area I've already visited every time I get a new power; the only way the Dead or Alive franchise can be significantly different from any other game is to make the female characters look like early adolescents with two twelve-pound Jell-O molds strapped to their chests and jiggling in opposite directions.

Your point is not that these things are actually good ideas or that they increase anyone's enjoyment of the games. Your point is that there is no way on this planet which they could both improve themselves and retain an identity.

Crap.

Sometimes things need a little detriment in order to remain unique or stay in their niche. I'm not going to argue over that with you, though. It's like saying "eat your veggies because it's good for you."

It would be like telling me to eat my vegetables if hours of contempt for the player, hours of busywork, and hours of leering developers' masturbation were a good source of vitamins, minerals, and fiber. Your simile fails to map.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

I have a feeling this may be complicated.

DOA seems to have an anime style. Whilst I don't know much about anime, I know that this is supposed to be a grown man.

Spoiler

I also kinda think that Japanese women look younger than women from other races that I'm more accustomed to seeing...which makes me think it might be an untrained eye thing, but I reckon it could also be a facial proportions thing.

Paint me confused.

As for the jiggling...meh. I spent 2 hours today in a game smashing goblins with a hammer, and I'm well aware that plenty of people I know would be shaking their heads disapprovingly if they knew.

 

[Kekkonen1]

So we've gone from boobs to faces now? Maybe we should make a sort of list where every part of a womans body has to meet some arbitrary standards of "adultness" before being allowed.

Believe it or not, but there are actually many women that have childlike faces. My girlfriend is 25 but often gets mistaken for being under 20 mostly due to looking quite childlike. She is not allowed then?

I just find this "plastic child-face" argument absurd. First of all the plastic part, it's grappy computer graphics, It often looks plastic, deal with it.
Then the child-face... I just dont see it. Sure they look young, but they are supposed to be young (17+ years old as I've understood it, which is still ok in countries such as Japan) and I dont think they look to be obviously younger than that.

But I'm not here to defend these girls, I'm not in the least interested or attracted to them. I just dont see the problem with people that are, just let them. Why should it bother you to such a degree?

 

[JimB]

My girlfriend is twenty-five but often gets mistaken for being under twenty mostly due to looking quite childlike. She is not allowed then?

Not allowed to what? To exist? Like people who object to the deliberate sexualization of young-looking women extend their argument to wanting to euthanize your girlfriend?

 

[daxterx2005]

thanks for that visual at the end Jim >.>

 

[GTwander]

Ranty rant.

Every time I get multiquoted in an extremely defensive fashion like that, I know my words hit home, and I feel that much more validated. You could have chosen to just ignore me, perhaps even phrase your words however you prefer, but aimed at dropping the subject. Instead, though, you'd obviously rather just constantly argue over it. It essentially just inflates my ego a bit, but I'm going to let you believe what you want to believe - because that's the adult thing to do.

Still stand by my points 100% though.

 

[JimB]

Every time I get multiquoted in an extremely defensive fashion like that, I know my words hit home, and I feel that much more validated.

I believe that about you, since most of the things you "know" have absolutely no support or corroboration.

You could have chosen to just ignore me, perhaps even phrase your words however you prefer but aimed at dropping the subject.

Silence can be interpreted as assent. I want to make it extremely clear that I in no way endorse or accept the things you're saying. You'll never believe that, but that's okay; I'm not really speaking to you anyway.

Instead, though, you'd obviously rather just constantly argue over it.

Yeah, pretty much. You make completely unsupported and insupportable statements as absolute fact while providing no backing for them but your own narcissistic sense of self-satisfaction, so I can be offended by you without having to respect you enough to take you seriously. You're the perfect chewtoy to sharpen my teeth on.

It essentially just inflates my ego a bit, but I'm going to let you believe what you want to believe: because that's the adult thing to do.

Heh. It's awfully big of you to grant me the privilege to have my own personal beliefs distinct from yours, formed without your approval. It's extremely adult of you to assume my beliefs require your permission.

Jesus Christ, dude.

Still stand by my points 100%, though.

I know you do. You live in a world where any evidence offered to disprove your position is proof of your position. Why wouldn't you stand by your points?

 

[Olas]

Why do people care if the tits are not realistic? WHY? Magic isn't real either, let's throw that out of games. Werewolves aren't real either, let's get rid of those.

Both magic and werewolves are well established and respected elements within certain genres of fiction, both usually have sort of explanation for their existence within the story, both are usually important to their respective stories' plot sometimes even being centerpiece to it.
While you could argue that jello boobs are pretty important to the plot of DOA, I think that says more about DOA than it does about them.

Perhaps if DOA was deliberately billed as some sort of exploration of human sexuality, or even Japanese fetish culture then your argument might be valid. However, DOA attempts to pass itself off as a fighting game. I don't see why excessive detail to breast physics would be a crucial element to a well designed fighting game.

 

[DanDeFool]

No kidding. For me, the breaking point was Seikon no Qwaser, where the heroes get the power to manipulate the chemical elements at will by drinking magic breast milk. Straight from the tap.

I freaking love that show.

The creator obviously gives 0 fucks about anything.

Credit where credit is due; that guy definitely does not give any fucks whatsoever. Though, if you ask me that's part of the problem. That show should just be a straight-up porn, with plenty of fucks to go around.

 

[GTwander]

No kidding. For me, the breaking point was Seikon no Qwaser, where the heroes get the power to manipulate the chemical elements at will by drinking magic breast milk. Straight from the tap.

I freaking love that show.

The creator obviously gives 0 fucks about anything.

Credit where credit is due; that guy definitely does not give any fucks whatsoever.

You obviously haven't seen Queen's Blade then.
The first 5 minutes has an acid-lactating bunny chick. (it's like something out of a juvenile nightmare)

Balls of steel my friend, balls of steel.

 

[ksn0va]

Oh boy, let's just get our shields up for this.

I don't know, I think there's a reason that sex dolls exist. Anyway, complaining about this is pointless. A developer has their own style you might not agree with so let them be. You could also tell them there are jobs that do involve what team ninja's doing.

I don't know, I think I just don't care, what with all the 'feminism' confusion I have been reading around here.

CAPTCHA: baked in a pie.

You know captcha, that's just creepy.

I agree, if it's the games intention then why can't people who enjoy stuff like that have what they want. Dead or Alive is a solid enough fighting game. It only becomes an issue if they use it to sell crappy games(X-Blades) or if it's considerably out of place(Metal Gear Solid 4).

 

[likalaruku]

I have at least 5 male friends who complain about how flat & unappealing the girls "pancake asses" are in DoA, or Japanese games in general.

I suspect they'd prefer Butt Jiggle Physics & Jennifer Lopez booties.

Anyway, I bet Team Ninja are the sort that love shit like Eikan, which is mostly panned by anime otaku in America for it's foreboding distopian future of anime with all sugar & no nutritional value.
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No no...I can top this. ::Looks up Japanese ES:Oblivion Body Mod:: Ah, here it is.... Oh yeah, this is REAL classy I don't think I can top this one. Good night, gentlemen.

 

[CrimsonBlaze]

Being such a crowded sea bound country, you can't blame the Japanese for wanting girls with huge... "tracts of land"
But THIS is a bit much.

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...Wow.

I think I'm starting to dislike anime for more than bad voice actors or dubs and preferring manga exclusively because rather than toning down the "offensive" material in manga when developing the anime, they tend to find ways of amplifying the "offensive" material.

Don't get me wrong; I'm a fan of High School of the Dead (and I want them to release new chapters already!), but I find the anime equivalent to be down right shameless when representing the manga.