Jimquisition: Piracy - Trying To Kill It Makes It Stronger
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Ok.... when did we get so ridiculously entitled that a company deserves to burn at the stake and have their property stolen from them... because they made us finger in a code that takes all of 45 seconds of your life to punch in. Really? Fucking really?
EA may not have won any favors with enforcing Origin for Battlefield 3... but I haven't seen them abusing their playerbase with it either. Newsflash: EA doesn't give a shit what porn you watch. As if Origin even scans for those kind of files...
But if you truly must condemn EA for their use of Origin... there's always the console version. No Origin on that, only a registration code. But apparently that's a crime against humanity as well.
I like ya Jim, but lately your crusade against registration codes is just getting old.
EA may not have won any favors with enforcing Origin for Battlefield 3... but I haven't seen them abusing their playerbase with it either. Newsflash: EA doesn't give a shit what porn you watch. As if Origin even scans for those kind of files...
But if you truly must condemn EA for their use of Origin... there's always the console version. No Origin on that, only a registration code. But apparently that's a crime against humanity as well.
I like ya Jim, but lately your crusade against registration codes is just getting old.
No no, you got it the first time, I am also very pessimistic about people's self-reformation, but at the same time I disagree with the disbanding of Megaupload (not just the trial, which in itself could be a turning point). But, it could be part of a solution. See, if digital distribution platforms are the future, and this is what makes it convenient for people, then we should find a way that benefits who matter the most - the creators. Rather than lining pockets of old record labels and big greedy developers, if the creators and artists got more out of the deal rather than the ones who are already rich and desperately hanging onto this old model of distribution, then prices could go down at least. So what I'm getting at is something in between Megaupload and buying a CD off the shelf, more along the lines of iTunes (but without that DRM crap that forces you to use apple products, but iTunes is apple's platform so whatever).M.C.Dillinger said:
And this goes back to Jim's video, where his vision of things being cheaper, and easier to obtain and enjoy. Heck, this would even wind down the "problem" of used sales a bit, because a)there would be less in this model, and b) you *should* be paying less without all the physical distribution factored in, or you could wait for sales.
Anyway, sorry also for the awkwardness, I was just trying to point out that while you were implying no one "here" is going to listen to you, it doesn't matter because what's going on in the wide world is nothing like what is going on "here" anyhow.
Coincidentally, I just saw the Game Overthinker's SOPA episode, where he, too, talked about Napster, iTunes, and the desire for individual songs over albums, as well as the need for the entertainment industry, specifically Hollywood and the gaming industry, to seriously look into digital distribution and NOT try to dictate terms.
By the way, Street Sharks FTW!
By the way, Street Sharks FTW!
Really, only having one sole provider for games online is a good thing, heck no, in fact origin should recive more support for trying to create some competion in the DD market, monopolies are not good.Jimothy Sterling said:
Except you forgot to take in the fact that the government is already going to basically delete all the data that was saved on megaupload. If the government all of a sudden seized a storage company because a few people where selling cocaine out of the containers people would be up in arms and heads would roll. What the government has done to megaupload is TERRIFYING. The government before due process will destroy megaupload so if mr dotcom wins his day in court he would have to build up his business from the ground up.M.C.Dillinger said:
Steam is convenient for a lot of people but it forces me to download patches and wouldn't let me play my physically bought Shogun 2 Total War, even after I installed it, untill it finished downloading the entire game again plus the patches, which was the next month since the download hit the limit and my home has better things to waste time on than downloading a game at a Psuedo Dial-Up paced internet.
this makes my copy COMPLETELY USELESS because it's not like I can lend it to anyone and it can't help me in any way what-so-ever.
I can only assume this doesn't happen all the time but it means that if a game on PC needs Steam then all the mods on the internet couldn't convince me to choose it over the Console version.
this makes my copy COMPLETELY USELESS because it's not like I can lend it to anyone and it can't help me in any way what-so-ever.
I can only assume this doesn't happen all the time but it means that if a game on PC needs Steam then all the mods on the internet couldn't convince me to choose it over the Console version.
Noone is going to pirate a game that is so online/coop focused. Still, not allowing the option to play your private offline session is a major inconvenience that they don't give a fuck about, just like they didn't care to add LAN to Starcraft 2, which turned most of the tournaments into lagfests just like every single member of the e-sports community had foreseen and warned them about. Blizzard make good games, but since WoW was released they turned into massive dicks.GeorgW said:
Blizzard's decision to remove Lan from starcraft cost them at least 3 sales from me and two friends I game with. The decision to not have offline Diablo cost them at least 5 sales I can think of off the top of my head.Carnagath said:
I know blizz probably doesn't care about a the few "antisocial" gamers left but I'm just throwing that out there.
iTunes was great... Then I formatted my hard-drive and lost everything I bought. iTunes refused to let me re-download all my files from their server. What makes it even better is that I couldn't re-buy what I lost because "I had already owned these files".
So, while they provide convenience of buying they aren't exactly accessible in the acquisition of files (Unlike steam)
So, while they provide convenience of buying they aren't exactly accessible in the acquisition of files (Unlike steam)
thats why itunes always asks if you like to backup the music you have downloaded on to a disc. i sure do that to be sure, since i had this experience that my HD suddenly broke down on me from one day to another.Gather said:
It seems like both sides are to blame, people pirate games because the game companies can't put out games right... and so on and so forth *SIGH*
look at what you're saying: 'well, EA has been scanning my personal files and invading my privacy, but at least they won't use it to tell people about all the porn i watch'Aeonknight said:
WHAT? WHAT?
Yes, we are entitled. Because we should be. Because we don't owe these companies ANYTHING.
They are not a charity. They are not a worthy cause. They are a company. It is their point and purpose to find a way to get people to buy their product.
If they fail to find a way to make it more attractive for to you buy the game instead of pirating it, then they are failing as a company.
EA wants to convince you that you have a moral obligation to choose their service. This is a lie. You as a consumer have no moral obligations. You choose what you feel to be the best option for yourself. If a company wants to make money, they must become the best option. If they don't, they go bankrupt.
This is the way of capitalism.
You call it 'burning at the stake' and 'entitlement', I call it 'customer feedback' and 'angry and frustrated'.Aeonknight said:
Also, it takes a fuck load longer than 45 seconds to punch in a code. It took me half an hour to get Batman AA working with that DRM + my shitty internet connection. It took over four fucking hours to get the broken assed shitty DRM in Dragon Age to work properly. And I have it far better (and worse) than a lot of people out there. We, the customers, are not happy. My spare time is short. I don't get that much of it and I would like to spend none of that time on DRM bs!
If that is what you think people are annoyed with then you have completely missed the point. I don't claim to talk for anybody else, but for me; I don't want anybody to scan my computer for any reason that is outside the fair use of their product. Origin has no opt out options for that level of invasion of privacy.Aeonknight said:
So you're saying that if I don't like Origin I should go out and buy a console so I can play a game I am interested in on a platform I would prefer not to use? Don't be stupid.Aeonknight said:
Actually I think that you can fight piracy to a significant degree, and the key to it, I believe, is to shut down torrent sites that facilitate the practice. If that can be done consistently and legally, all the freeloaders out there will have no choice but to purchase the products they want rather than steal them. It's sort of like stopping drug-dealing. Yes, the cops can bust dozens of drug-users, but it's much better to get the suppliers, and move up the chain of command as far as you can, and in so doing cut off their customers. So, the title of the video doesn't make a lot of sense as it only applies to DRM rather than more practical solutions.
Further, the example provided by iTunes doesn't take into account a major difference between music and games. A song downloaded on iTunes can be very cheap to purchase, but a full retail game can go for about 50-60 bucks. That's the real problem with videogame piracy--it's not simply the inconvenience customers don't want to deal with (though said inconvenience, as pointed out by others, is SOLELY the fault of the pirates in the first place) but the PRICE. A game is a much harder investment to swallow. Why pay that much money when you can just torrent it? And I don't wanna hear anybody say that this isn't why people pirate. I know two people who openly admitted to me that they pirate games because they can't afford them, so spare me the excuses.
Thirdly, his position that the publishers themselves are stealing the IP's is ridiculous. Yes, it sucks that the creator of Metal Arms can't produce new games in the franchise, it sucks that Activision is just sitting on it, but without a big publisher to back his game would we have any Metal Arms games at all? Probably not, and that's why we have big publishers. Sorry, but that's how it works. And it's not like the pirates discriminate between games from big publishers and independent groups anyway!
Jim used to have a fairly good position on piracy, but the whole SOPA thing has seemingly derailed his thinking, like he feels a need to take out his anger on a bad decision on an entire industry. SOPA was a bad idea, sure, but seriously, it never would have occurred if not for the greed and complete absence of ethics on the part of the pirates. Sorry, Jim, but you're on the wrong side.
Further, the example provided by iTunes doesn't take into account a major difference between music and games. A song downloaded on iTunes can be very cheap to purchase, but a full retail game can go for about 50-60 bucks. That's the real problem with videogame piracy--it's not simply the inconvenience customers don't want to deal with (though said inconvenience, as pointed out by others, is SOLELY the fault of the pirates in the first place) but the PRICE. A game is a much harder investment to swallow. Why pay that much money when you can just torrent it? And I don't wanna hear anybody say that this isn't why people pirate. I know two people who openly admitted to me that they pirate games because they can't afford them, so spare me the excuses.
Thirdly, his position that the publishers themselves are stealing the IP's is ridiculous. Yes, it sucks that the creator of Metal Arms can't produce new games in the franchise, it sucks that Activision is just sitting on it, but without a big publisher to back his game would we have any Metal Arms games at all? Probably not, and that's why we have big publishers. Sorry, but that's how it works. And it's not like the pirates discriminate between games from big publishers and independent groups anyway!
Jim used to have a fairly good position on piracy, but the whole SOPA thing has seemingly derailed his thinking, like he feels a need to take out his anger on a bad decision on an entire industry. SOPA was a bad idea, sure, but seriously, it never would have occurred if not for the greed and complete absence of ethics on the part of the pirates. Sorry, Jim, but you're on the wrong side.