Jimquisition: Solving the Sexism Situation

[fulano]

Had a good chuckle at this one. I was hopeful after episode 1, and indeed it seems like somebody read the comments and took on some of the criticism; this episode is much slicker all round. Looking forward to the next one!

Not crazy about the MS paint drawings, though. I guess I can appreciate that the video needs something to break it up a little.

Has Jim ever seriously talked to a woman about this topic before? I mean, where does he get it that the issue would be solved if they exploited everyone "equally"? Or maybe I'm just ignorant and am not aware of the growing trend of women demanding men without their clothes on in their videogames, to get their rocks off. Women, on average, have a different sets of base preferences than those of males.

I'm a woman. When I Play Left 4 Dead 2, I purposefully choose a character other than Ellis so that I can stare at his arse while he runs ahead of me. Have you ever seriously talked to a woman about this topic before?

Plenty, actually.

But, hey, you happen to be the exception who wants to see more flesh in her male characters 'cause that should be what equates matters, apparently. Good for you.

Yeah, I'm a woman and I wouldn't mind to see more half-naked men. Also, to brownstudies, I usually choose Coach or Rochelle...because Nick is just as good.

You do realize that you have plenty of male blockheads to ogle, right? It's not like we dudes are underobjectified [sic], if that's how you want to define objectification that is. We just don't care as much--I certainly don't, really, but am merely pointing out the other side of the argument.

Also, there aren't that many studios, if there's even a single one, that cater to specific female tastes as there are for the male ones. If there were, along with more demographically geared great games we'd also have the equivalent of harlequin books, filled with swashbuckling assholes with chiseled chests who deep down are sensitive souls than can only be fully understood by either a horse tamer, a marine biologist, the reluctant heir of a corporate empire, etc. and, good lord, that's how equality would truly look like.

If I were to choose in a poll for more exposed men in games, sure I'd vote Yes for the amusement factor,(Like, I was amused by Chuck Greene in his boxers with a weird hat on.) but over all I don't care. It doesn't bring anything or take away from the game itself. The half-dressed woman don't offend me either. It's life. I'm a graphic designer and I've had to put plenty of scantily clad women in an ad to sell a product.

Plus, they're video game characters. If I want half-naked characters with an interesting story, I just watch true blood. lol

It does annoy me when I see a character like Ivy from Soul Calibur whose cup size goes up with every game it makes chuckle at the needless tackiness, or yet another Macho soldier cursing and flexing his biceps and little else.

The issue isn't the frequency of the half-dressed women but the infrequency of those that are little more than that. And that's why Jim's oppinion is wrong.

It's a tongue-in-cheek piece. I suspect Jim has been in the industry long enough to know that sexism in video games goes further than scantily clad boobies and Capture The Babe, and has far more to do with persistently weak characterisation (as you say); but his opinion is still pretty funny, and what's more, there's a sizeable grain of truth in it: women like to objectify too, and many wouldn't complain if they were given the opportunity to do it a little more often.

People are taking this entirely too seriously; this isn't Extra Credits.

Jim Sterling isn't exactly funny, then. But maybe that's just me.

 

[Harry Mason]

Jesus Christ I hate this guy! If he's not going to make a point that isn't a joke, he should at least be able to make me laugh!

Wait... Is hiring this dufus the reason that I haven't seen Top 5 with Lisa in weeks? Did you fire Lisa!? I LOVED HER! ESCAPIST, I SMASH YOU!

Seriously though, I found Lisa's Top 5 instantly endearing and entertaining with its combination of references to obscure games and self deprecation. This... Jim... Person... Can't even be interesting enough to offend me. Thumbs down.

 

[WilliamRLBaker]

Is this guy a joke or just awful?

An awful joke.

I know this is so late in the comments that few people probably read it, but I'll relink this anyway as I find it an interesting read and the main reason why I won't be watching anything this man produces in the future. http://gomakemeasandwich.blogspot.com/2011/02/in-his-words-why-jim-sterling-is-in.html

I've never really posted at all on this site, but I read topics and watch videos (and add to your revenue) on a daily basis and I've not encountered anyone on here (be they contributors or members) that have put me off of something as fast as mr Jim Sterling. I don't want to associate with people of his kind in any way, shape or form.

When/if this person (and I use that term loosely) is allowed to post a third piece of content, I will be deleting my user on here and find other sources for entertainment far improved over 'the jimquisition', such as drinking a broken glass of tabasco sauce - shards and all.

Goodbye Escapist (as I assume they'll still let this guy spew his vileness all across the intrawebs even with my feeble expression of disapproval), it was fun while it lasted.

Ps. Feel somewhat sheepish having voted for the escapist in that lifestyle award thingymajigg
Ds.

so your reasoning for disliking him is that he defended someone for a completely legitimate reason and no one really had a reason to be mad and someone attacked him personally over it so in the ensueing twitter fight where he fought back is some how wrong?

Obviously didn't read the Article, which is about the WAY he actec, which involved him personally attacking someone in a ridiculously over the top manner for a minor personal insult.

um I did read the article and it was a major personal insult met with a major personal insult.

how is a insinuation of homosexuality a " major personal insult" yeah it's stupid and childish but this is the internet, things like that get tossed around all the time.

How is the insinuation she was a feminazi slut a major personal insult?
See I can do it too...
Insults are subjective one person may not feel the same about a word or action like another will so its subjective it Seems to me someone got pissed off he defended something he perfectly had a right too and someone went out of their way to personally insult him so he responded in kind.

the blog posted talks about maturity and ignoring...yet refuses to apply such concepts to parties other then Jim Sterling.
It comes down to a point of hypocracy If jim is required to do all these things then the other side should as well but it seems thats not the case...It comes down to a simple fact he responded in kind to the insults being flung at him.

 

[brinvixen]

I found this episode to be leagues ahead of the first. His delivery was well paced and easier to follow ( I mean last episode, I didn't even get his point), and I even chuckled at a few bits. I suppose so long as the format continues to improve, this show will be good in a few more episodes.

As for the subject matter, I'm sure that Jim was just being funny, but I could go for some quasi-male nudity (Disclaimer: I'm a girl). I mean, I don't think it would make me feel any better about the girls fighting monsters in their panties, but maybe it would make sense if the boys were in their briefs as well (maybe there's a special power up from being in your underwear!) I mean, Kratos runs around in a skirt, which is why all the girls he's getting with wear revealing togas. Equal quasi-nudity. Also, those girls are clearly characterized to be whores -- which means they should be wearing next to nothing. But when you have some non-whore character with her bosoms falling out, it makes for confusion (I mean, isn't this the problem everyone had with Samus in The Other M? Other than the fact that she apparently became a complete nuisance of a person as well, which is also a problem with female characters, but ahhhhh ......)

Enough rambles. I could go on for days about this topic. I rather enjoyed this Jim. Considering that I only clicked on this on a whim, and came in expecting very little. So kudos.

EDIT: Didn't read the previous comments before leaving mine, so sorry if I sound repetitive.

 

[Ben Hussong]

Is this guy a joke or just awful?

An awful joke.

I know this is so late in the comments that few people probably read it, but I'll relink this anyway as I find it an interesting read and the main reason why I won't be watching anything this man produces in the future. http://gomakemeasandwich.blogspot.com/2011/02/in-his-words-why-jim-sterling-is-in.html

I've never really posted at all on this site, but I read topics and watch videos (and add to your revenue) on a daily basis and I've not encountered anyone on here (be they contributors or members) that have put me off of something as fast as mr Jim Sterling. I don't want to associate with people of his kind in any way, shape or form.

When/if this person (and I use that term loosely) is allowed to post a third piece of content, I will be deleting my user on here and find other sources for entertainment far improved over 'the jimquisition', such as drinking a broken glass of tabasco sauce - shards and all.

Goodbye Escapist (as I assume they'll still let this guy spew his vileness all across the intrawebs even with my feeble expression of disapproval), it was fun while it lasted.

Ps. Feel somewhat sheepish having voted for the escapist in that lifestyle award thingymajigg
Ds.

so your reasoning for disliking him is that he defended someone for a completely legitimate reason and no one really had a reason to be mad and someone attacked him personally over it so in the ensueing twitter fight where he fought back is some how wrong?

Obviously didn't read the Article, which is about the WAY he actec, which involved him personally attacking someone in a ridiculously over the top manner for a minor personal insult.

um I did read the article and it was a major personal insult met with a major personal insult.

how is a insinuation of homosexuality a " major personal insult" yeah it's stupid and childish but this is the internet, things like that get tossed around all the time.

How is the insinuation she was a feminazi slut a major personal insult?
See I can do it too...
Insults are subjective one person may not feel the same about a word or action like another will so its subjective it Seems to me someone got pissed off he defended something he perfectly had a right too and someone went out of their way to personally insult him so he responded in kind.

the blog posted talks about maturity and ignoring...yet refuses to apply such concepts to parties other then Jim Sterling.
It comes down to a point of hypocracy If jim is required to do all these things then the other side should as well but it seems thats not the case...It comes down to a simple fact he responded in kind to the insults being flung at him.

it's not that she didn't also act over the line its the how much more over the line Jim went, hell I can't even repeat most of the things he said without getting banned. They were both over the line, but he over retaliated to a ridiculous extent. This put together with his other comments compiled over time from that blog post, paint a not too pretty picture of his views, and it's hard to write, ALL of his comments away as being sarcastic. So the TLDNR version, they were both over the line somewhat, but he essentially took a M16 to a fistfight.

 

[Futurenerd]

I really, 'really' like this guy, but we do need some sort of content disclaimer for him.

Great solution though.

The "content disclaimer" is the big pair of tits in the episode picture. If you click on that, and expect a kids show, something's SERIOUSLY wrong with you.

OT: I find this guy interesting, but I think he's more suited to a podcast, since putting this in video form didn't seem to add anything. I watched the video, then just listened to it without the video, and I lost nothing the second time.

 

[WilliamRLBaker]

Jesus Christ I hate this guy! If he's not going to make a point that isn't a joke, he should at least be able to make me laugh!

Wait... Is hiring this dufus the reason that I haven't seen Top 5 with Lisa in weeks? Did you fire Lisa!? I LOVED HER! ESCAPIST, I SMASH YOU!

Seriously though, I found Lisa's Top 5 instantly endearing and entertaining with its combination of references to obscure games and self deprecation. This... Jim... Person... Can't even be interesting enough to offend me. Thumbs down.

Oh and the fact she wears very skimpy clothes and corsets that push her chest out to amazing perportions.

 

[drunken_munki]

I like Jim, every since I found Dtoid.

He does need to lose those glasses, though.


Still think he should stick to issues like this, though.


That PLAYING IT WRONG one showcased a lot of bullshit in the game reviewing process.

For the main vid and these, I really like this guy. The brutal honesty reminds me about how I look at the world and these kind of scenarios. Bravo, Keep it up!

More of these please, and less of the Escapist promoting garbage like Zero day DLC.

 

[WilliamRLBaker]

[quote="Ben Hussong" post="6.281273.11010503
it's not that she didn't also act over the line its the how much more over the line Jim went, hell I can't even repeat most of the things he said without getting banned. They were both over the line, but he over retaliated to a ridiculous extent. This put together with his other comments compiled over time from that blog post, paint a not too pretty picture of his views, and it's hard to write, ALL of his comments away as being sarcastic. So the TLDNR version, they were both over the line somewhat, but he essentially took a M16 to a fistfight.[/quote]

the same can be said of daphney look through her history for a pretty bleak picture as well past comments should not reflect on anything as I said it comes down to a few facts.

A person didn't like jim and for some odd reason instead of ignoring him seemed to be his cyber stalker and follow everything he did and when she really didn't like what he said personally attacked him, he personally attacked her and she continued to attack back.
There is no worse party here there is 2 parties having a fight trying to reason one party as being more justified is fallacy since it can't be done atleast not and keep your cloak of objectivity.

 

[sergnb]

Jesus Christ I hate this guy! If he's not going to make a point that isn't a joke, he should at least be able to make me laugh!

Wait... Is hiring this dufus the reason that I haven't seen Top 5 with Lisa in weeks? Did you fire Lisa!? I LOVED HER! ESCAPIST, I SMASH YOU!

Seriously though, I found Lisa's Top 5 instantly endearing and entertaining with its combination of references to obscure games and self deprecation. This... Jim... Person... Can't even be interesting enough to offend me. Thumbs down.

Oh and the fact she wears very skimpy clothes and corsets that push her chest out to amazing perportions.

Lisa's top 5 thingies aren't that interesting to be honest, but yeah, it's Lisa, what's not to love about her.

This just confirms how people still drive their judges based mostly on physical appearance. You would think that shouldn't be the case in a website full of, well, gamers, people that tend to have had cases of obesity or been bullied in their respective childhoods.

I think this guy makes pretty good points. Yeah sure he is a little weird with his glasses, his accent and his huge body, but I can't say I dislike him just because of that. I'll need to watch more issues of this in order to have a proper judgement.

 

[morganpony2]

Jesus Christ I hate this guy! If he's not going to make a point that isn't a joke, he should at least be able to make me laugh!

Wait... Is hiring this dufus the reason that I haven't seen Top 5 with Lisa in weeks? Did you fire Lisa!? I LOVED HER! ESCAPIST, I SMASH YOU!

Seriously though, I found Lisa's Top 5 instantly endearing and entertaining with its combination of references to obscure games and self deprecation. This... Jim... Person... Can't even be interesting enough to offend me. Thumbs down.

Oh and the fact she wears very skimpy clothes and corsets that push her chest out to amazing perportions.

If the only thing you noticed that was good about the top five was how lisa dressed you need to serious rethink how you look at women.

 

[Dr. Pepper Unlimited]

I gave it another chance, but I can't come to like this guy in the slightest. I see where he is going, it just feels horribly amateurish; it's like I'm watching a poorly made YouTube video. Oh, well. To each their own and everything. He's just not for me.

 

[lacktheknack]

Is this guy a joke or just awful?

An awful joke.

I know this is so late in the comments that few people probably read it, but I'll relink this anyway as I find it an interesting read and the main reason why I won't be watching anything this man produces in the future. http://gomakemeasandwich.blogspot.com/2011/02/in-his-words-why-jim-sterling-is-in.html

I've never really posted at all on this site, but I read topics and watch videos (and add to your revenue) on a daily basis and I've not encountered anyone on here (be they contributors or members) that have put me off of something as fast as mr Jim Sterling. I don't want to associate with people of his kind in any way, shape or form.

When/if this person (and I use that term loosely) is allowed to post a third piece of content, I will be deleting my user on here and find other sources for entertainment far improved over 'the jimquisition', such as drinking a broken glass of tabasco sauce - shards and all.

Goodbye Escapist (as I assume they'll still let this guy spew his vileness all across the intrawebs even with my feeble expression of disapproval), it was fun while it lasted.

Ps. Feel somewhat sheepish having voted for the escapist in that lifestyle award thingymajigg
Ds.

Wat.

This is one of the biggest non sequiturs I've ever read. If one contributor gets three spots on a large website with tons of content, you'll delete your account?

There's no way you can justify that without coming across as having enormous entitlement issues.

 

[sergnb]

I wonder if I was the only woman who played portal 2 who felt grateful that they had produced such a brilliant female character in GlaDOS. *spoiler* I wonder more if other feminists shared my pang of grief at having to supplant her at the end of the first act of the game, with wheatley. A 'man'.

Sooo... Talking strictly about the CHARACTERS, you felt that removing the insane and homicidal tyrant from power was something that gave you 'grief' because she was an AI voiced by a woman, and not an AI voiced by a man?

Way to push feminism as something other then just anti-male bullshit...

SPOILER: I had trouble putting GLaDOS in charge, as she clearly states while you are going to Wheatley's lair, because I didn't want her to be in power again. Wheatley was very charming and funny and I somehow wanted to SABOTAGE Aperture Science by letting him blow the whole place up, but I found myself forced to solve the situation. I wonder if this was something Valve intentionally planed or it was just me. Wheatley is just too charming and funny for me to hate him, GLaDOS, in the other hand...

 

[Ben Hussong]

the same can be said of daphney look through her history for a pretty bleak picture as well past comments should not reflect on anything as I said it comes down to a few facts.

A person didn't like jim and for some odd reason instead of ignoring him seemed to be his cyber stalker and follow everything he did and when she really didn't like what he said personally attacked him, he personally attacked her and she continued to attack back.
There is no worse party here there is 2 parties having a fight trying to reason one party as being more justified is fallacy since it can't be done atleast not and keep your cloak of objectivity.

BTW, i'd like to point out the main point of that post wasn't solely the fight between daph and jim, but his overall apparent attitude towards women in general. I kinda got sidetracked about it as well. Im willing to yield the fight issue though since they were both idiots in it, and its kinda hard in such a situation to claim who was less of one.

 

[MarsProbe]

Jesus Christ I hate this guy! If he's not going to make a point that isn't a joke, he should at least be able to make me laugh!

Wait... Is hiring this dufus the reason that I haven't seen Top 5 with Lisa in weeks? Did you fire Lisa!? I LOVED HER! ESCAPIST, I SMASH YOU!

Seriously though, I found Lisa's Top 5 instantly endearing and entertaining with its combination of references to obscure games and self deprecation. This... Jim... Person... Can't even be interesting enough to offend me. Thumbs down.

I find myself thinking something along same lines. At the risk of being called shallow for preferring a video series presented by an attractive girl over the one presented by the fat bloke (hey, just saying what I see here) but not only were Lisa's top 5's entertaining in their way, the little skits that bookended them were often just as, if not more entertaining that the top 5's themselves.

Still, maybe it's just a coincidence that we haven't seen a Top 5 video in 2 weeks and this video series has being going on for the same length of time. Anyway, I guess this video series just isn't for me.

 

[Yossarian1507]

Okay, a small chuckle, and he refrained from bashing anything/anyone using retarded troll techniques this time, so it's an improvement...

Still weak though... I'll check it next again. If it won't become either a comedy gold, or a fountain of insight, then consider me out of this thing.

 

[Partezan]

Jesus fucking christ. I don't even know where to begin with this thrown together turd of a comment. Jim wasn't even engaging with a feminist complaint, he was dealing with the anti-sexual complaints of Fox news. 'leftist menopausal cunts' had nothing to do with it, you charming man.

Yeah, fox news complains and people start bitching about it, but when leftist fags on this site ***** about the same shit, no one says anything: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/extra-credits/2868-True-Female-Characters