Jimquisition: Solving the Sexism Situation

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YouEatLard

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He, and anyone who agrees with him are missing the point.

Why are there (usually middle aged) people in suits in Lexus commercials? Maybe because they're catering to the majority of their (intended) audience.
Why are there people in their 20's (mostly male) in Subaru commercials? Maybe because they're catering to the majority of their (intended) audience.
Why are there men in American truck commercials? Maybe because they're catering to the majority of their (intended) audience.
Why are sexy girls on Bud Lite posters? Maybe because they're catering to the majority of their (intended) audience.
Why do strip clubs feature ladies (and some feature dudes)? Maybe because they're catering to the majority of their (intended) audience.

Now, let me ask an equally important question. Why are more viruses programmed for Windows then Linux and Apple? Oh.... Windows has the largest (computer ignorant) user base of any OS. Might as well shoot for one with the biggest numbers when you're working the probability angle. Yes, I run Linux. Don't give me that more secure crap. Make an operating system more.... more anything and the human race will find a way to retard through it. It'll also find a way to exploit it. Sony, Iphone, Driod etc. (Sorry for the side rant.)

Why is there sex in games? Males are largest part of the player base who buy and play these games.

People market to their intended audience. It's how sales works. Sex is a part of our lives. It's something that at least seems to work in advertising. In games , sexy characters are arrows pointed at their target.
This version of the player base, the human male, was released a long time ago. It's a little late to change. There is some variety in limited quantity available, but if you're looking to hit the largest audience, guess what you're aiming for.

Is putting variety in a game worth it? I'd guess that there are people who crunch numbers on stuff like this. Something like trying to make 'Extra Time * Money in less then or equal to Profit'. Some will make this with gender and sex equation work for them. Some will side step it completely.

Think about it.... and if need be, grow up, or at least complain about something equally as important.... like the sky being blue. Maybe some people would rather it be orange, or neon pink. Sorry though, this version of Earth has already been released. Some things are the way they are for a reason. Feel free to complain about it though. This issue is just as problematic and important as sex in games.
 

thejoshualee

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Haven't been able to make it through either of these shows. It's not the content, it's the delivery method.
 

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loodmoney said:
It's also worth remembering just how qualified Sterling to talk about sexism:
http://gomakemeasandwich.blogspot.com/2011/02/in-his-words-why-jim-sterling-is-in.html
*stares in horror*

Jesus Christ, he actually said all that stuff? Like seriously? That's got to be some of the most arrogant misogenistic things I've ever read in my life. I can't believe he thinks he can get away with it, I can't believe he'd consider this humorous.
This kind of stuff isn't satire or comedy, it's just being mean.
God bless that woman for making that post mocking him though, seriously.

So yeah, after reading well... that I now find it hard to take anything Jim says in regards to sexism seriously. Not only is the guy not funny and not inciteful or thought provoking or interesting to watch, but now he's also an egotistical sexist creep.
I'm repulsed by this, seriously.

So yeah, I am not watching anymore of these. I could handle the fact that his jokes were mediocre but after seeing what kind of a person he is on the web, I just can't stand to think about him.
 

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MatsVS said:
A different, perhaps more radical, solution:

How 'bout we objectify no one, and only place men or women in revealing clothing when it is tangential to exploring their character and/or fits their cultural/geographical background. You know, as in good storytelling that is inclusive and realistic at the same time.
True, it would be preferable for games to become less like porn, not more.
 

Khitchary

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I don't usually comment on videos. I thought about what to say for a while. To quote Vegeta *His stupidity is beyond belief*.
 

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8bitlove2a03 said:
First of all, this is me voting for the Escapist NOT to kill this show. If that even matters. Secondly, Jim's right. Nobody makes men sexy in gaming, and when they do they make them more than just a nice body. It's like how in Dragon Age 2 Isabella is nothing but a two-dimensional character with big breasts, while Anders has his whole "sexy tortured look" with an interesting story and complex personality.

So, two step plan for developers:
1) make all game characters foxy
2) give everyone deep personalities and amazing storylines.
3) figure out where to keep all your GotY awards
1) Rufus :p

2) Merilyn from Dragon Age 2... Holy...

3) It's in... Oh...
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On a serious note, Isabella is a little more than 2D. She doesn't get into relationships because she's been hurt in the past, but once she's in one, she'll stay with you practically forever until you damage it for her. She's just more subtle than Aveline, who is damn close to a knight templar without being one.
 

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Yay, I actually agreed to his big picture! However, did anyone else notice pubic hair in his naked man slide show?
 

Goldhawk777

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Dear Lord, how many videos are going to talk about this? Jim, good attempt with pathetic scare tactics in equal sexism. Duke Nukem is a game aimed at men. Yes, I may be sexist, but the came is catered to men. Hell, if there is a game where apparently women can fondle men's junk, then point me in the direction so that I can run in the opposite direction. You are correct with saying that it is unfair to put women in bikinis and expect them to fight and win against a guy in armor. But there are quite a few fighting games that feature men in revealing outfits. Hell, I look for games that don't have the men's shirts torn off after a quick struggle. Ahh, I rolled on the ground, better take off my ripped shirt.

CORE CONCEPT: IF I HAVE TO LOOK AT A SHIRT-LESS GUY ON MY XBOX DO FLIPS AND JUMPS WHILE I STARE AT HIS ASS, THEN I SHOULD GET THE SAME FROM A FEMALE CHARACTER!

BEHOLD, your argument is invalid.
 

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YouEatLard said:
He, and anyone who agrees with him are missing the point.
Strange that you should take Sterling at face value. Nevertheless, you don't appear to be trolling, and you do seem to hold some rather erroneous beliefs that are easily disproved, so let me respond in kind:
Now, let me ask an equally important question. Why are more viruses programmed for Windows then Linux and Apple? Oh.... Windows has the largest (computer ignorant) user base of any OS. Might as well shoot for one with the biggest numbers when you're working the probability angle. Yes, I run Linux. Don't give me that more secure crap. Make an operating system more.... more anything and the human race will find a way to retard through it. It'll also find a way to exploit it. Sony, Iphone, Driod etc. (Sorry for the side rant.)
Okay, this is true. It is also where you invalidate the rest of your post. What if lots of people started buying & installing Linux and Apple? More viruses would be programmed for these systems. So, when you say--
Why is there sex in games? Males are largest part of the player base who buy and play these games.People market to their intended audience. It's how sales works. Sex is a part of our lives. It's something that at least seems to work in advertising. In games , sexy characters are arrows pointed at their target.
--imagine what would happen if a larger part of the player base were to be female? More games would cater to females.

This version of the player base, the human male, was released a long time ago. It's a little late to change.
Why? Do women not have money to spend on games? Are there laws that prevent them from buying games? Does their physiology make them unable to pick up a controller or use a keyboard? Shit no! If developers at large wanted to reach this market, there is absolutely nothing stopping them. Save, of course, tradition (read: "ingrained sexism") and short-sightedness.

Think about it.... and if need be, grow up, or at least complain about something equally as important.... like the sky being blue. Maybe some people would rather it be orange, or neon pink. Sorry though, this version of Earth has already been released. Some things are the way they are for a reason. Feel free to complain about it though. This issue is just as problematic and important as sex in games.
I had more to say, but I think the virus/operating system analogy should be enough to show how totally wrong this is.

And feel free to not confuse economic issues with moral ones.
 

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I am not really impressed here. I don't know what it is, I guess as has been said before: Other people *COUGHEXTRACREDITCOUGH* have stated the same thing, just more coherently.

I will give it one more go though on his third Vid. That said: I haven't finished a single one of his Vids yet without throwing my back out with sighs.
 

senorfatso

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Video Game Show What I Done was so much funnier than this. I like Jim Sterling; he's a good critic and a funny ranter, but not a face for video.
 

jrplette

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It looks like the Mary Sue found this story interesting enough to cover:

http://www.themarysue.com/jimquisitions-take-on-sexism-in-games-a-great-big-flat-joke/

Their take seems to echo what I and a lot of others have been saying about this video. Thoughts?
 

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I disagree with some points but I think he needs to move around a little, like he's giving a real speech.
 

Allan Foe

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What is The Escapist?

A miserable little pile of successful trolls!

But enough overused memes... have traffic!
 

Ben Hussong

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Here's an idea for me and everyone who hate Jim's show: Just don't come to the Escapist on Mondays. If enough people do it, they'll get the point.
 

Volkov

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Lol.

The second objectifying dudes starts selling, is the second Jim's wishes will come true. Till then, he seems entirely disconnected from WHY the developers are doing it.