Jimquisition: SOPA Approved

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captainfluoxetine said:
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ph0b0s123 said:
"SOPA Approved"!

Don't scare me like that, with this title on the front page, when not true....
I had a brief moment of panic too.

Oh by the way, Jim? Re your heavy breathing around 1:30 - George Lucas' lawyers would like a word...
hahaha, init, i thought he was going to make a joke outta that too!
This whole SOPA malarkey is a joke! A horrifying, draconian joke.
 

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What will really get amusing is when SOPA passes and all the corporations start suing and blacking out each others websites and such because they showed a competitors product on a news site or something of that nature or used a trademarked name to make a comparison. They think it's all about stopping piracy, but you know they're just gnashing their teeth to start backstabbing the shit out of each other the instant SOPA drops.
 

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One question on this whole thing. How does it affect sites etc outside of the US. I.e not a .com that US authorities think they own, wherever hosted, but .co.uk 's etc. I feel very sorry for people in the US if this is approved. I also understand that there will be an initial effect since most web content comes from the US. But if say Jim moves him, his show and it's hosting back to his native UK (from the accent), won't the show be back to normal?

If the US gov wants to turn the US into the Internet version of North Korean, then fine. I just don't see where 'this will kill the whole Internet' comes from. There are other countries in the world out there you know, where this legislation will not reach. Escapistmagazine.co.uk, youtube.co.uk FTW?
The big issue is not only the whole other countries may follow suit thing but that Visa and Amex are both American so a site violating SOPA could not take payment that way. Mastercard have come out in support SOPA so I'm guessing they wouldn't process such payments either, this cripples a website's ability to conduct any sort of economic activity. Also it's a fair bet most advertising companies are Us based or have US based parent companies so there would be very limited ad revenue possibilities for SOPA violating websites. When you look at it this way SOPA is more of an economic sanction than a server ban.
 

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Hopefully Jim's Deadly Premonition doesn't come true.
Ba dum tish.
It was kinda weird to hear that as I'm actually playing through that game right now. I might go back to Skyrim when I finish it.
 

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This isnt SOPA approved. He looks to much like Jim Sterling.

Gotta shut him down to be safe in case hes not the real Jim, and is just pirating his looks.
 

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ph0b0s123 said:
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ph0b0s123 said:
One question on this whole thing. How does it affect sites etc outside of the US. I.e not a .com that US authorities think they own, wherever hosted, but .co.uk 's etc. I feel very sorry for people in the US if this is approved. I also understand that there will be an initial effect since most web content comes from the US. But if say Jim moves him, his show and it's hosting back to his native UK (from the accent), won't the show be back to normal?

If the US gov wants to turn the US into the Internet version of North Korean, then fine. I just don't see where 'this will kill the whole Internet' comes from. There are other countries in the world out there you know, where this legislation will not reach. Escapistmagazine.co.uk, youtube.co.uk FTW?
A lot of the audience from sites like the Escapist are American. If Americans can't enter these sites, they lose a lot of money and may have to shut down, even if they're not based in the US.
OK, so the US as a consumer market gets lost. I understand it is the biggest market. I just am not seeing the 'this will kill the whole internet'. That statement is a bit US centric, to me.
Well, there's this. [http://www.extremetech.com/computing/109533-how-sopa-could-actually-break-the-internet] That's certainly seems "this will kill the whole internet" worthy.
 

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We should just take everyone who votes for SOPA and make them unelectable by claiming they're gay atheists who support Justin Biender... :p
Clever. If they argue against it you file against their site or television show and have it removed under SOPA.

This...this is evil.
 

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I don't get why so many people are so hung up over SOPA. SOPA's a joke, it won't get passed and even if it did before long there'd be court case after court case from websites like Youtube, escapist, etc. would be won by the simple citation of the First Amendment rendering the law null and void anyway.
You would think that. But a stupidly high amount of congressmen are totally on board for this bill despite not understanding the consequences. A lot of the big media corporations are trying to ram this through and are practically paying for this legislation to happen. It's not something we can ignore, because it definitely would get passed without the outrage.

The sponsor of the bill is even calling out the internet rage against it as "illegitimate" and "hyperbolic". They have been bought out, and we need to let them know that they're going to be kicked out of office no matter how much campaign money they rack up from this stunt.

These are the same people that just passed the NDAA. They do not care about the first amendment.
Your point? No politician has ever cared about the first amendment or the Constitution as a whole since the founding fathers were in office, and it hasn't kept laws like SOPA from being completely powerless and unenforcable. Besides, SOPA isn't going to make any more progress in stopping things like Piracy from happening in the US or any other country any more than any other attempt to do just that they've ever taken.
 

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immortalfrieza said:
Draxyle said:
immortalfrieza said:
I don't get why so many people are so hung up over SOPA. SOPA's a joke, it won't get passed and even if it did before long there'd be court case after court case from websites like Youtube, escapist, etc. would be won by the simple citation of the First Amendment rendering the law null and void anyway.
You would think that. But a stupidly high amount of congressmen are totally on board for this bill despite not understanding the consequences. A lot of the big media corporations are trying to ram this through and are practically paying for this legislation to happen. It's not something we can ignore, because it definitely would get passed without the outrage.

The sponsor of the bill is even calling out the internet rage against it as "illegitimate" and "hyperbolic". They have been bought out, and we need to let them know that they're going to be kicked out of office no matter how much campaign money they rack up from this stunt.

These are the same people that just passed the NDAA. They do not care about the first amendment.
Your point? No politician has ever cared about the first amendment or the Constitution as a whole since the founding fathers were in office, and it hasn't kept laws like SOPA from being completely powerless and unenforcable. Besides, SOPA isn't going to make any more progress in stopping things like Piracy from happening in the US or any other country any more than any other attempt to do just that they've ever taken.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that no politician has cared - there are probably a small collection of honorable individuals in office that are surrounded by the many thieves, braggarts, cowards, ect.
I wonder where they will stop? Will they start policing those that give a mix cd to a significant other? That person certainly didn't pay for those songs.
 

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The title made me piss myself. Seriously, man, what the hell?

This was highly depressing, until the end 'cuz that was kind of funny.
 

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Cain_Zeros said:
ph0b0s123 said:
sindremaster said:
ph0b0s123 said:
One question on this whole thing. How does it affect sites etc outside of the US. I.e not a .com that US authorities think they own, wherever hosted, but .co.uk 's etc. I feel very sorry for people in the US if this is approved. I also understand that there will be an initial effect since most web content comes from the US. But if say Jim moves him, his show and it's hosting back to his native UK (from the accent), won't the show be back to normal?

If the US gov wants to turn the US into the Internet version of North Korean, then fine. I just don't see where 'this will kill the whole Internet' comes from. There are other countries in the world out there you know, where this legislation will not reach. Escapistmagazine.co.uk, youtube.co.uk FTW?
A lot of the audience from sites like the Escapist are American. If Americans can't enter these sites, they lose a lot of money and may have to shut down, even if they're not based in the US.
OK, so the US as a consumer market gets lost. I understand it is the biggest market. I just am not seeing the 'this will kill the whole internet'. That statement is a bit US centric, to me.
Well, there's this. [http://www.extremetech.com/computing/109533-how-sopa-could-actually-break-the-internet] That's certainly seems "this will kill the whole internet" worthy.
I am a network engineer so am aware of all of this. Again this is US focused on the US controlled domains. Domains like, my local .co.uk or other country DNS will not be that affected apart from getting rubbish .com DNS info.

Other countries DNS providers will mitigate around this. It will screw the US DNS service, but the US DNS service is not the 'whole of the internet', the point I keep trying to make. The article even agrees.

From the article you quoted:
"Taken to extremes, the reckless pursuit of secure content could fracture the dubious alliance that?s allowed the US to maintain control over the internet and lead to the creation of a second international network. "

This is the point I have been trying to make here all along. The world will have a two tier internet. An unfiltered one used by most countries, and a filtered one that countries such as China, N Korea and the US put in place. If Jim moves to the UK, he can do his show as normal, but with no US watchers and yes less money. A call of 'don't do this as it will remove a market for our content' is different to this 'will kill the whole internet' and just comes off as Americans forgetting they are not the only country in the world.

Initially there will be a big impact on the internet, but it will adapt around the US measures and content will just become less focused for the US market. If anything this may remove power from the US content lobby, as they will be cutting off their noses to spite their faces.

At the end of the day if this monstrosity passes it is curtains for the US part of the internet and should be avoided at all costs. If there was something I as a foreigner, could be doing to put pressure on the US gov not to do this, I would but since they hardly even listen to even US citizens, I have no chance. But it will not 'kill the whole of the internet', that's the only part of this whole argument I disagree with.
 

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Over react much, talk about fear mongering. lol. This law wont come into effect and especially not in the evil form they say it will. Mostly because it does more harm than good especially to music and film companies that want to spread promotions for bands and films. So dont worry about it, you will have a heart attack and die all for nothing.

Love at the 6.24 point he plays the music from the game Deadly Premonition.
 

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SOPA will kill Jim?
SIGN ME UP!
lololololololo

You'll get what i was talking about if you watched the whole video ;P

In all seriousness, what would be the profit loss if SOPA goes through for everything?
Great episode, even if the joke did go on a bit too long...
 

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Disasterpiece Press said:
immortalfrieza said:
Draxyle said:
immortalfrieza said:
I don't get why so many people are so hung up over SOPA. SOPA's a joke, it won't get passed and even if it did before long there'd be court case after court case from websites like Youtube, escapist, etc. would be won by the simple citation of the First Amendment rendering the law null and void anyway.
You would think that. But a stupidly high amount of congressmen are totally on board for this bill despite not understanding the consequences. A lot of the big media corporations are trying to ram this through and are practically paying for this legislation to happen. It's not something we can ignore, because it definitely would get passed without the outrage.

The sponsor of the bill is even calling out the internet rage against it as "illegitimate" and "hyperbolic". They have been bought out, and we need to let them know that they're going to be kicked out of office no matter how much campaign money they rack up from this stunt.

These are the same people that just passed the NDAA. They do not care about the first amendment.
Your point? No politician has ever cared about the first amendment or the Constitution as a whole since the founding fathers were in office, and it hasn't kept laws like SOPA from being completely powerless and unenforcable. Besides, SOPA isn't going to make any more progress in stopping things like Piracy from happening in the US or any other country any more than any other attempt to do just that they've ever taken.
I wouldn't go so far as to say that no politician has cared - there are probably a small collection of honorable individuals in office that are surrounded by the many thieves, braggarts, cowards, ect.
I wonder where they will stop? Will they start policing those that give a mix cd to a significant other? That person certainly didn't pay for those songs.
I wouldn't say things like that, everybody that's hating on SOPA is just being extreme in an attempt to provoke a reaction from Congress. Even in the extremely unlikely event that SOPA actually passes, they're not going to use it anywhere near as abusively as people think it's going to, it wouldn't last a month if they did.
 

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SOPA is the brain child of numerous corporations who are fighting what they see as the biggest enemy to their obscene profits, the internet.

The internet is the last truly free frontier that isn't the vacuum of Space, where people come to share and to scrutinize and to speculate and to question. Such a liberal Utopia cannot be tolerated by the Elitist snobs that are responsible for this heinous bill. The 1% as they have come to be known.

As an Australian, I am disgusted that my life and my experience on the internet can be influenced or degraded by a bill that is not even of my own countries making. It is an absolute disgrace and is the thin edge of the wedge of a much more frightening reality.
 

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Kopikatsu said:
Fusioncode9 said:
It depresses me that the internet will be destroyed if SOPA passes. Hopefully Obama keeps his promise and vetos the bill.
It can pass even if vetoed. Checks and balances are a go.

Anyway, anyone mind pointing out where SOPA ends Fair Use? 'Cause...it doesn't.
Yes, Congress can override the veto by 2/3 vote. I think it's 2/3rds anyway.

You're forgetting though that there is still the Supreme Court who could rule the entire bill unconstitutional and completely destroy it forever.

Judicial branch has just as much power as the Legislative and Executive.