Jimquisition: Tomopology Life

[IrenIvy]

Now, what in the name of Judas Rocking Priest was that cartoon towards the end? The one with skeletons riding flying motorcycles. That looks metal as FUCK!

I was going to ask that as well, but lucky for the both of us IrenIvy answered that question for us!

Aside of enjoying the video, I just wanted to say thank you for inclusion of 'Skeleton Warriors' footage.

You both are welcome 'Skeleton Warriors' is a personal favorite cartoon of mine which seems to be very forgotten by the rest of the world, which is why I'm so happy when I see that it is remembered.

 

[Erttheking]

Sometimes inclusivity does bother other people, for example what if psychopaths were complaining that the game doesn't allow them to kill other people and they felt they were excluded and in turn murdering people were included in future games?

Did you just honestly compare people who have sex with the same gender to murderers? I hope I don't need to explain why this is a false equivalence.

OT: Well done Jim. Well done.

 

[Dragonbums]

Sometimes inclusivity does bother other people, for example what if psychopaths were complaining that the game doesn't allow them to kill other people and they felt they were excluded and in turn murdering people were included in future games?

Did you just honestly compare people who have sex with the same gender to murderers? I hope I don't need to explain why this is a false equivalence.

Well at least it wasn't a shitfest like the one in the last thread where the now banned user insisted on claiming that homosexuality was a mental illness.

That was a hell of a mess I tell you. Took up an entire page worth of discussion.

 

[ExtraDebit]

Sometimes inclusivity does bother other people, for example what if psychopaths were complaining that the game doesn't allow them to kill other people and they felt they were excluded and in turn murdering people were included in future games?

Did you just honestly compare people who have sex with the same gender to murderers? I hope I don't need to explain why this is a false equivalence.

OT: Well done Jim. Well done.

I wasn't commenting on the degree of the offense, but the idea that there is one.

 

[Folji]

Sometimes inclusivity does bother other people, for example what if psychopaths were complaining that the game doesn't allow them to kill other people and they felt they were excluded and in turn murdering people were included in future games?

Did you just honestly compare people who have sex with the same gender to murderers? I hope I don't need to explain why this is a false equivalence.

OT: Well done Jim. Well done.

I wasn't commenting on the degree of the offense, but the idea that there is one.

Isn't it better to promote and support the fact that people are different, rather than promoting and supporting hatred? If you're going to exclude homosexuality because it might offend homophobes, you may as well exclude jews because they might offend neo-nazis. One person's dislikes shouldn't be the deciding factor in another person's enjoyments, that's just selfish and crude attitude.

Not implying that your attitude is as such, just that it is in itself a selfish and crude attitude to put personal distaste over another's personal preference.

 

[SilverBullets000]

I get the feeling that they're less disappointed in the apology itself as opposed to the fact that the apology came from people purposefully misconstruing the situation to make Nintendo appear anti-gay in the first place. Doesn't help that they had no control over it in the first place, considering the guy in the last thread who knows coding well enough explained that the game thinks in absolutes and wouldn't allow it.

It wasn't the apology that made people mad. It was the fact that a lot of people warped the original message of Miiquality which was simply a mass movement to request Nintendo to implement the feature in the next installment of Tomodachi- and turned it into the proverbial social justice mob where they proceeded to call Nintendo bigots and anti homosexual just so they can get those clicks, comments, and notes from their respective blog sites.

Yeah, I figured that was the case. Revenue trumps reason after all, and as long as sensationalist articles rile up people and get them to constantly revisit the article to argue and clarify (and/or circle-jerk), the practice won't die out. That's a problem that is too common in videogame journalism these days. That's to say nothing of the social justice mobs themselves, which are a different animal in their entirety, but more often than not do more harm than good to a situation. Oh well.

 

[ExtraDebit]

Sometimes inclusivity does bother other people, for example what if psychopaths were complaining that the game doesn't allow them to kill other people and they felt they were excluded and in turn murdering people were included in future games?

Did you just honestly compare people who have sex with the same gender to murderers? I hope I don't need to explain why this is a false equivalence.

OT: Well done Jim. Well done.

I wasn't commenting on the degree of the offense, but the idea that there is one.

Isn't it better to promote and support the fact that people are different, rather than promoting and supporting hatred? If you're going to exclude homosexuality because it might offend homophobes, you may as well exclude jews because they might offend neo-nazis. One person's dislikes shouldn't be the deciding factor in another person's enjoyments, that's just selfish and crude attitude.

Not implying that your attitude is as such, just that it is in itself a selfish and crude attitude to put personal distaste over another's personal preference.

I am neither condoning or condemning difference in people nor am I promoting or supporting hatred, I'm just trying to interpret people's hatred that derived from differences, whether is gay/gay supporter's hate on homophobes or homophobes hate of gays.

Can you see the irony in all this? You said it yourself "One person's dislikes shouldn't be the deciding factor in another person's enjoyments" the thing is: it could go both ways, what if nintendo includes homophobes in the game just for inclusivity sake? How will gays enjoy the game then?

 

[atavax]

I never understood why so few people and corporations are able to admit they fucked up on the internet. Sometimes on a forum someone will catch a mistake i make and try to make a big thing about it, and i'll just be like, you're right, i fucked up, i apologize. Then it doesn't go farther then that... Too many people with too large of egos to admit that they are sometimes wrong.

 

[Phrozenflame500]

I'm glad Nintendo apologized. It was clear they genuinely weren't anti-gay and just didn't understand how important gay equality has become in the west and the apology just cements that to the more radical parts of the "Miiquality" movement.

Also judging by the other thread this one's probably going to descend into another "complaining = LITERALLY facism"-fest, so give me a second to get my popcorn before we get the party started please.

 

[Deadagent]

There, apology accepted. Oh and Social Justice definetly IS a zero sum game. Gay rights however, are a completely seperate matter. And remember this thing began a movement headed by a reasonable person, of course batshit SJW's joined the party and started going crazy.

Asking for more features in a game is not unreasonable. Saying that they are hateful bigots if they don't entertain your wishes is unreasonable, and downright despicable.

 

[Abnaxis]

Alright, hear me out on this one for a sec, not completely sure what I think yet.

Whenever I run across the "homosexual option" in a game like Dragon Age or Mass Effect, much eye-rolling is usually had. The thought that immediately comes to mind is "token gay relationship ahoy!"

That's my instinctive problem with the issue: not the inclusive-ness, but the token-ness. The gay relationships aren't included because it makes sense with the narrative or the setting or the characters, but rather because the developers have a check-box to mark off, to stave off controversy.

Which to be perfectly fair, is a criticism that applies for most romance options offered in any recent title. Romance isn't included in any way that makes sense, it's just there because fans expect it (at least the vocal ones do). However, for some reason the shallowness always seems worse in the gay options--probably because the romance is already awkward and lacking in any nuance when it's written and developed by heteros, for heteros.

I think a lot of times, people just instinctively pick up on the shallow corporate cynicism involved in including a gay option for PR's sake, and it gets misconstrued as bigotry when they balk at it.

 

[Folji]

Can you see the irony in all this? You said it yourself "One person's dislikes shouldn't be the deciding factor in another person's enjoyments" the thing is: it could go both ways, what if nintendo includes homophobes in the game just for inclusivity sake? How will gays enjoy the game then?

What if Nintendo decided to include white supremacy as a concept in the game, just because there are people who want that. How would any non-white person enjoy the game then? The difference between including that, though, and including different sexualities is simply down to giving people the freedom to express themselves like they are. A person's sexuality, just like their skin colour or nationality, is a part of who they are. It doesn't represent their views, doesn't mirror their attitude, it's a part of them just like their gender and nationality would be.

And surely it's wrong to exclude someone for their skin colour, right? Especially when it's just to be inclusive to people who hate that skin colour?

 

[LysanderNemoinis]

Sometimes inclusivity does bother other people, for example what if psychopaths were complaining that the game doesn't allow them to kill other people and they felt they were excluded and in turn murdering people were included in future games?

By making homosexuals inclusive it does offend homophobics and a lot religious people. Somethings in the world are just mutually exclusive, like gays and homophobics, republicans and democrats, religion and atheism......sometimes you just can't include one without offending the other.

While I whole heartedly cheer for gay people, my logic being the more they want men the more women are left for me, I must admit that I do not enjoy watching two men kiss and hearing another man say "my husband" makes my skin crawl. This isn't something I choose consciously , it's an reaction I have no control of, I was born this way....much like gay people were born gay.

And if I do have to watch two men kiss in my games it WILL affect my enjoyment of the game. So do not be so quick to say it doesn't affect others.

My God, are you in deep shit now. Prepare yourself for the attack that will ensue, because the things you feel (that you cannot change) are not allowed.

 

[JimB]

I'm surprised we're on page two of this thread and no haters have come in to trumpet about how the original mistake wasn't a mistake at all but malfeasance that allowed him to make this apology video, a second monetized video in one week to trick people into granting him more views and more ad revenue.

...You know, now that I've said it aloud, I actually kind of hope that is what happened. Milk the haters, Mr. Sterling! Milk 'em 'til their udders fall off!

 

[JarinArenos]

A day later there's a new video actually responding to criticism and the ability to acknowledge that he fucked up.

THIS is why I fucking love Jim.

Bingo. Journalistic integrity is a rare thing to be treasured when found.

 

[Stefan Strelnieks]

Sometimes inclusivity does bother other people, for example what if psychopaths were complaining that the game doesn't allow them to kill other people and they felt they were excluded and in turn murdering people were included in future games?

By making homosexuals inclusive it does offend homophobics and a lot religious people. Somethings in the world are just mutually exclusive, like gays and homophobics, republicans and democrats, religion and atheism......sometimes you just can't include one without offending the other.

While I whole heartedly cheer for gay people, my logic being the more they want men the more women are left for me, I must admit that I do not enjoy watching two men kiss and hearing another man say "my husband" makes my skin crawl. This isn't something I choose consciously , it's an reaction I have no control of, I was born this way....much like gay people were born gay.

And if I do have to watch two men kiss in my games it WILL affect my enjoyment of the game. So do not be so quick to say it doesn't affect others.

Having an irrational fear of homosexuals in this way means you are literally homophobic, and unfortunately for your argument phobias are learned behaviors either via trauma or the environment. You can seek out a mental health professional to help you deal with these issues if you think it is impacting yourself and those around you negatively.