Jimquisition: Videogames Are Not Movies, Get Over It

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Gincairn

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If i'm honest, If I want to watch a fat guy rant about pointless nonsense, I'll talk to myself in the mirror, or listen to my own podcasts, aside from that he uses the word fuck way too often and it doesn't sound right coming from Jim.

I'm not quite sure why, it just doesn't have the right impact.
 

evilstonermonkey

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You know, I decided to rewatch this to see if coming at it with a fresh mind after a nap and a coffee might make it more tolerable. I got a little further through than last time, then was so pissed I had to go to the LRR site to rewatch Commodore Hustle episodes. So to anyone that thinks this show is bad, you now must admit that there have been some positive affects.
 

iamultraman

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After letting the argument settle, he makes a necessary point; videogames, as a medium, should not parrot movies, in terms of development. Whether the two are completely different is a point of contention--though I would argue they are similar--but for the most part there were truth in his words.

What frightens me is the trend in videogame criticism. It seems that the most popular critics are rather obnoxious, coarse ranters who overcome their competition by avoiding the sterility and objectivity of gaming "journalism," providing their audiences with a sort of crude honesty readers/viewers are normally deprived of. Normally this is a good thing, because criticism in itself is an art; an objective review of a game is to a Yahtzee review is what Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone is to Lady Chatterly's Lover (that is the dang ol' truth right there and you can just take it J.K Rowling fans, no offense to any parties however). Yet I cannot advocate for Sterling and his generation because they lack what true, thorough-bred critics have: class; or, rather, style, intelligence, and self-integrity. Benjamin Croshaw has class. Bob Chipman, I would think, some. The mark of great critics is that any one of their reviews are equal in novelty to the material that is reviewed, which is why Harold Bloom is a hated individual in the academic community and yet will still be remembered for his work in this lifetime. I mean, he can write.

Reflecting on the video, Sterling's arguments--and wording--did not match the immensity of the issue he was discussing, though what he said was truthful. And that is rather disappointing, because, not to Sterling's discredit, the Escapist chose this man for a reason I cannot understand, except for his overuse of explicit words that dogs the champion of this magazine. That, to me, is a bad sign. However, I will return next Monday to see how Sterling cleans his act; most great writers undergo messy introductions, and similarly these create their best work in the latter part of their lives. Though I do expect a video much earlier than that, I only use the fact to express hope.
 

etherlance

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Anyone recognise that background music?

It sounds familiar to me, I think it's from one of the Final fantasy games, I think FF9 but not quite sure.
 

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I'd read it, but first I've got to watch total recall with my move(tm) and pretend I'm playing it to make it more interesting.
 

beefpelican

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I don't think he builds his argument with the finesse of other Escapist commentators. His central point was that video games are not worse than movies because they are different than movies. His supports for this proof were that:
1)Movies and video games have different origins
2)Many Hollywood plots are poorly written, thus Hollywood plots are not to be desired in video games.
3)People do not compare books to movies

To counter 1, this is true, but movies have outgrown their origins. Look at Charlie Chaplin films. Some movies are still the same sort of slapstick comedy, which is fine. However, not all movies are slapstick comedies just because the first popular ones were. In the same way, some video games are toys, which is fine. However, not all are required to be toys.

To counter 2, this is a straw man. The Room is a very poorly written movie, but many movie plots are very well written. Video games do not have very many well written plots, so it is not unreasonable to hope that some video game plots become as high quality as the ones in some well written movies.

To counter 3, this is false. Movies are frequently compared to films. This is why films like Citizen Kane can be held up as great works. Film is sufficiently respected as an artistic medium that it is expected to produce works of art, just like literature is. Video games are not. There is nothing wrong with hoping that some day the same level of respect will exist for video games.

On the whole, I found that Jim Sterling made points very loudly and repeatedly without backing them up with much more than his loud repetitiveness. It seems like he would like to make people who disagree with him angry by being abrasive, so that they will yell insults back and end up sounding foolish and easily ignored. I do not think this is a very good debate technique.
 

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An obvious point that is fairly straightforward and stretched out to fill six minutes- Without the repetition it would have been 30 seconds-1 minute of dialog. Not to mention this isn't a point gamers are interested in or need to be educated on- we already know this. (The Big Picture it certainly ain't)
It seemed like being talked at by any number of those self-styled 'game activists', saying the same thing over and over and adding a little bit of supporting evidence at a time- even though everyone is in agreement.
 

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etherlance said:
Anyone recognise that background music?

It sounds familiar to me, I think it's from one of the Final fantasy games, I think FF9 but not quite sure.
Joker theme from FF9.

Edit: I mean Jester.
 

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Icehearted said:
I don't know that I would call someone painted in heavy red makeup, bleached hair, wearing a bustier of sorts in her advertisements that shows ample cleavage "'down-to-earth'". I think down to earth as being more conservative than that, but whatevah, sex sells, I get it. I just think a jab a "fat guys" over "nice girls" is uncalled for. Unless you're literally blind sex is very clearly part of Lisa's hook.

Rebecca Mayes is more of what I'd call down to earth. She was pretty, her music was catchy, thoughtful, sometimes even funny, and she didn't cram her boobs into tight little tops to get viewers, she didn't have to. I don't think Jim should cram his boobs into tiny tops either, as it will likely not result in the same kind of following that Lisa has acquired.

Let's not kid ourselves, the only thing missing from her front page banner are a pair of bunny ears. I'm not one to call a person out on their appearances, but when appearances are a flagrant part of what they're offering it says something about them (like, for example, sex appeal sells and they know it). Nobody in their right mind is going to look at her and say "gee what a boring frump". They're going to see a painted beauty and legitimize it any way they can. The saccharine and cutesy nature of one of her videos I did catch and I figured her no different than players on Youtube like "Hot for Words" who, while enchantingly intelligent, mostly enjoys posing real pretty in whatever's tightest or skimpiest as she speaks to men. At least Hot For Words openly admits that sex appeal is one of her biggest assets, and key to her success, or would a "fat guy" like Jim do just as well with the same scripts if given the chance? Give me a break.

And no, I'm not fat, Srdjan, and I've never been fat at any point in my life.
I have to agree with this, but as I don't actually know Lisa and if she actually intends to sell herself sexually, for now I will assume that she's simply a confident attractive woman just being herself till proven otherwise. In terms of the "down to earth" argument and with Rebecca Mayes, I have to agree.
 

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Wabblefish said:
Why is no one going to give Jim a second chance?

A lot of content producers have trouble with their first ideas (please don't talk about any of the people from this site, there are way more content producers on the webs than just this site)

Yahtzee even had to make an awful webcomic and that cheesy gaming blog/talk thing before people liked him.

People assume just because the first episode is bad it should get the sack straight away, honestly first we should see what else this show has to offer.
Actually, I specifically said I would check in next monday for improvements, though with the rider that my expectations would be low. Nevertheless I hope to be pleasantly surprised. And my understanding is that he has already had a few articles published here and has done other work for another site previously so I don't know if this can really be judged as a 'first effort.' Finally, even if this show were already established with a fanbase but was still on this level it would be getting equal levels of criticism. While some people are just saying "it's bad" many are actually stating what they don't like about it and why. And the fact that these criticisms have been quite consistent suggests that, yeah, maybe these are real problems that need to be fixed for the show to succeed. The only thing to see now is if these suggestions are acted upon, or at least considered by the next video.
 

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SuperMse said:
Good points, horrible presentation. I don't want some self-righteous internet persona getting on top of a soapbox, turning on his webcam, and yelling at me for 6 minutes while standing still. Terribly preachy and driven by an unlikable host. I've seen better on youtube.
Agreed.

Really not impressed with his delivery or script. Randomly inserting "fuck" into an otherwise ordinary sentence does not make it edgy or witty.

Poor use of the mic, ridiculous decision to hide behind mirror glasses: if you're going to do that, why even bother putting a camera in front of your face? Show us something more interesting instead.
 

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BlindChance said:
*snip*
My only gripe would be this: He should have brought up the developers doing it right. You can't bring up this topic and not discuss Clint Hocking, or Jason Rohrer. These guys have been eloquent voices for making games their own art form.
An obvious step in critiquing gaming (or anything) he missed because, unlike the folks at Extra Credit, he's just another opinionated v-logger. Big whoup, he opened with an obvious statement for his first vid to get some buzz going about him.

Wait until he says his idea of "natural selection" for video gaming, a basically "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" mentality to gameplay where it's okay for every proceeding game in a genre to lift gameplay elements from the previous big title since innovation (or the attempt at) is tedious and stupid.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sTewf9XZtOA

Yeah, he says "with every game you make" which leaves wiggle room for a rebuttle stating that he's not against innovation but just against the idea that every game needs to try and be unique in it's gameplay.
...For those who would use that arguement, rethink that statement. Think about the general consensus that every shooter plays almost exactly the same now, thus creating what's popularly known as the "generic cover shooter". Think about it...then decide not to argue in his favor (at least on that topic).

To me Jim's just another guy taking up the "likable asshole" personality and getting the "likable" part lost on his cue cards while being paid to blather on. Yet another random guy on the internet talking in front of a camera. Does he really deserve a pay check for this?

Whatever. You lot can have fun with him if you want. I prefer to actually learn something from the videos made about gaming at large. Extra Credit (to learn about the industry and market), Yahtzee (for a witty review of latest games, with hit and miss wit), and even the comics on this site like Critical Miss. What do they all have in common? They require talent to make.
 

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Jimquistion is like ZeroPunctuation.....only not as funny, too long and he just freaking stood there for five minutes!!! If you are going to be a swearing British guy, at least make me laugh
 

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im not feeling it. its either the fact that an actual person rather than images on the screen. the idea that this rant is basicly talking down to the viewer like there stupid without a joke or punchline thats funny. or maybe that this issue has been cover way better in the other shows on this site. its repeating a topic that has already been done way better at least 3 times. moviebob, xtra credits, and ZP are enough