Jimquisition: Videogames Are Not Movies, Get Over It

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Caligulove

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I totally thought this was [a href="http://thenerdrageblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/02/garth_green.jpg"]Garth Marenghi[/a] when I saw the title image for this video- nearly died from excitement. Garth Marenghi's Darkplace is definitely one of the finer TV shows I have seen in my entire life..

That said- I like this series so far, even if it is just a pilot. Good use of editing and although I've heard the subject in the video before- it's still handled appropriately.
 

Ghengis John

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You didn't really get around to some interesting points that you could have made, or that I would have made. You basically repeated that they are different mediums with different origins a lot many of your points were left unsubstantiated, I could have done without a pants-less Tommy Wiseeu cartoon and you could stand to lose the music there amigo. I would have focused more on the interactivity and how it can effect our story telling abilities than you did.
 

StriderShinryu

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After a day or so to reflect, I'm going to throw out a slightly more refined version of my opinion of the show.

First off, I don't see it as having any real place on the Escapist simply because it's a point of view (and even a style) that's already covered here. Even if the production value was up to par, and it clearly isn't, we already have two series of "angry guy ranting" videos on gaming/pop culture. We also have a series of intelligent pseudo preachy videos on gaming.

Secondly, I'm not really even sure what the point of the video series is. I'm under the assumption that it's supposed to be taken seriously, yet it's tone and production undermines that completely. It feels lost in the space between being an unfunny and unpointed parody of Yahtzee/MovieBob/EC and being some Youtube copycat's version of Yahtzee/MovieBob/EC.

Given the potential intelligence (even with the massive redundancy) of the view provided in this video, I guess there could be something worth while here. It, however, desperately needs to go back to the lab for the time being. If it ever finds a place on The Escapist (and I'm not sure it ever will seeing as how we already have better versions of what it's trying to be), it's going to need a pretty thorough overhaul with a side of rethinking.

dtthelegend said:
Jimquisition:
this show is like the Spanish Inquisition.
unexcepted upon arrival and extremely painful and tedious for all parties involved.

Not a fan.
That there is the truth.
 

MASTACHIEFPWN

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katsumoto03 said:
Because I needed another reason to hate Mondays...
This comment just made my shitty day a bit better.

But seriously- Why replace Top 5 (If it actually was) With this? We don't need a goddamned obvious rant of things we already know every monday!

And what does this guy have against Heavy Rain? I dislike the PS3 for many reasons, but I LOVED that game!

Seriously though, You've got your rational thinkers (Movie Bob, Yhatzy, ExtraCredits) and the escapists decides "LET'S GET A FAT ASS WHO IS RANTING FOR NO GOOD REASON ON HERE" We've already got our bit of rationality and comedy, we don't need a failure at both! Atleast top 5 made me laugh sometimes, and their was a hot girl on it as well!
 

bdcjacko

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StriderShinryu said:
After a day or so to reflect, I'm going to throw out a slightly more refined version of my opinion of the show.

-snip the rest-
Yeah, also after a day of reflecting and emotions calmed down, I'm am going to try to give constructive criticism. First off, the crudely done ms paint cocks served absolutely no purpose other than to offend anyone watching. Those can flat out go.

Secondly limit the swearing. I'm not saying you can't have a colorful vocabulary. But seriously all I remember is fucking every other word.

Three, have a topic that can be covered in more than one sentence. You read the topic of this video and it is covered. Videogame are not movies, we know. Nothing more was said in the video besides a few curse words.

Four, don't mumble. You don't have to do it all in one take. Slow down, speak clearly, and have fun with it. Don't try to come off as another angry game reviewer, there are literally dozens already. Even some with accents. So take your time and do a few takes.

Five, I don't really want to see a guy, no matter how nice of a suit he is wearing, just stand in front of a camera ranting. Show more appropriate clips, just not penises.

The suit and glasses aren't my style and if it was me I would have gone a different way. But I see where you are going with it, and it works. It will give you a look. And having a look will help.
 

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LogicNProportion said:
Icehearted said:
Srdjan said:
Awww, boy, I really, really hope this isn't substitution for Lisa. I don't know your preferances but I prefer nice girls to fat guys.
Really, you find a woman slathered in makeup shoving her heaving bosom at viewers more appealing than a rotund man in a suit and tie? Pardon me while I die of shock.

A better idea; what if they exchanged scripts, think his work will be any less or any more appealing when delivered by a woman using sex appeal to sell herself to viewers?

Yeah....
It could also be because she's actually funny with the live-action gags and is confident and 'down-to-earth' in what she talks about. <.<

You're the one who brought up sex appeal, so...take that as you will...
I don't know that I would call someone painted in heavy red makeup, bleached hair, wearing a bustier of sorts in her advertisements that shows ample cleavage "'down-to-earth'". I think down to earth as being more conservative than that, but whatevah, sex sells, I get it. I just think a jab a "fat guys" over "nice girls" is uncalled for. Unless you're literally blind sex is very clearly part of Lisa's hook.

Rebecca Mayes is more of what I'd call down to earth. She was pretty, her music was catchy, thoughtful, sometimes even funny, and she didn't cram her boobs into tight little tops to get viewers, she didn't have to. I don't think Jim should cram his boobs into tiny tops either, as it will likely not result in the same kind of following that Lisa has acquired.

Let's not kid ourselves, the only thing missing from her front page banner are a pair of bunny ears. I'm not one to call a person out on their appearances, but when appearances are a flagrant part of what they're offering it says something about them (like, for example, sex appeal sells and they know it). Nobody in their right mind is going to look at her and say "gee what a boring frump". They're going to see a painted beauty and legitimize it any way they can. The saccharine and cutesy nature of one of her videos I did catch and I figured her no different than players on Youtube like "Hot for Words" who, while enchantingly intelligent, mostly enjoys posing real pretty in whatever's tightest or skimpiest as she speaks to men. At least Hot For Words openly admits that sex appeal is one of her biggest assets, and key to her success, or would a "fat guy" like Jim do just as well with the same scripts if given the chance? Give me a break.

And no, I'm not fat, Srdjan, and I've never been fat at any point in my life.
 

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As for a non-violent political thriller could be interesting, or just incredibly boring. Heres the thing, I don't see why the game has to be forced non-violence. I've always enjoyed it when games give me the option to finish them without violence (MGS), but removing violence all together as an option doesn't seem ideal.
It would only be boring if it is done wrong. And by then, it wouldn't be a good game anyway.

I never said a game should be forced to non-violence, but it would be very interesting. If done right, a game where violence is not an option could be just as engaging with one where it's the center point of it/

What I'm getting from this is that you think games should only include non-violent options in addition to violent ones, and that saddens me a bit (I could be completely wrong in that interpretation, please tell me if I am). If a movie (or book, or song, whatever, take your pick) can present an engaging story with or without a single fired shot, I don't see why a video game can't do the same.

Yes, they are buzz words. [HEADING=2]ASK YOURSELF WHY!?[/HEADING]

and more importantly, why game developers continue to use those words to hype their game instead of talking about gameplay elements.
Fair enough, I'll concede to that.

You're right, we can learn a thing or two from other mediums. However, holding them above our own medium is not the answer to finding the things we can learn from them.
Again, I concede to that. I'm probably getting my own personal thoughts intruding on the main point of this thing, but I hold all mediums on equal standard. It's shit until proven otherwise afterall.

I, on the other hand, demand that a game developer trying to be 'innovative' is also trying to make the innovation work with the medium. Shitty forms of innovation that can't accomplish this serve no purpose in my mind. The 'it's an example of what NOT to do' excuse doesn't work for me. It's like saying everything should be appreciated and liked, even if it's awful, just because it is. For a real world version, smoking meth is an example of what not to do with your life, however, I still shouldn't praise it's creator for showing us what not to do with our lives.
Interesting thought, and again I do agree with it to an extent, though I don't think the drug analogy quite works because these are creative mediums we're talking about, they need to be shown "what not to do" just as much "what to do".

But you see, that ends conversations instead of fostering them. So, no.
I was tired and responding to various posts, didn't see the point in continuing it after a bit. By all means, if you want to continue this conversation go for it, either like it is now or through PM.
 

Marik Bentusi

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Why doesn't it even sound like joking when the guy is attacking an audience that probably doesn't even mix up games and movies?

Sorry, couldn't bring myself to watch this till the end, the character - I'm just gonna hope you're not like that 24/7, dear internet stranger - was just too unlikable. I prefer either the Extra Credits approach, even if it's Overanalyzing The Obvious, or the Yahtzee approach, which doesn't seem to take anything serious at all.
 

SteakHeart

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Would it be acceptable to say that nobody expected the Jimquisition? But seriously, I think I'll wait a bit to see some more of his videos until I have an opinion.

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dtthelegend said:
Jimquisition:
this show is like the Spanish Inquisition.
unexcepted upon arrival and extremely painful and tedious for all parties involved.

Not a fan.
That was WAY funnier than my joke. Man, I need to get some new material...
 

crazypsyko666

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I don't know why this person is supposed to be entertaining at all. Is it the sunglasses? His points are obvious and unnecessary, he cusses just to cuss and spends too much time on nothing. No thank you, Escapist.
 

Earaldor Xerron

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I didn't like the style, I don't like the ad poking my eyes out every time I want to watch a video and I'm somewhat bored by the topic of "Should video games be movies?".

No, they shouldn't, because, y'know, then, they would be called movies, not video games. An interactive adventure game, taking several elements of movies and adding some amount of gameplay to them like Heavy Rain is great, I think, and so do many others. This doesn't make us right, but nor does raging about how this is "wrong" make anyone right. Why can't they do that? Isn't Heavy Rain an enjoyable experience? Don't we like well made cutscenes, captivating landscapes and and immersive atmosphere in a game?
It would be terrible if all games would be like Heavy Rain, because gameplay-heavy games are good too. In fact, balancing gameplay and narrative/story in a game is crucial, but it's not like there is some fixed ratio that governs wether something can still be called a game or not.

This might not have been the point of the show, so let's continue on to the other topic: wether movies are superior to games. The question one should naturally ask here is: "What aspects should be compared here?" Obviously not gameplay, obviously not interactivity. Why would anyone think that. Yes, the two mediums are different, everyone knows. In what sense they can be compared? Narrative, cutscenes, how to build up atmosphere, etc. The two "genres" (though they are not genres at all) are very similar in respect of visuality, especially now, when graphics are about to move out of the uncanny valley. Video games are not all that old, while films have been around for quite some time now. Is it not a good idea to try and use the accumulated knowledge and experience of movies in certain elements of video game design? It's a very good start imho. In due time, I'm sure several branches of video gaming will diverge from the path movies have made in the past. But for now, in terms of visual expression, movies are superior.

That is why claiming that a game has movie quality narrative is not degradatory for games in general and probably doesn't refer to movies with a bad narrative. That is why game designers comparing their work to those of movie directors are not advocating the overal inferiority of game to movies but just pay respect to the great masters of film making, the ones they probably learned a great deal from.

I realize being angry and judgemental on a video is kinda cool nowadays, but seriously, I don't really feel the need for having more of them.

All that said, there were some good points, and this earns the show some credit. I will probably watch the next episode, hope it will be a tad less aggressive.
 

Levethian

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Ach, he'll get better.

He's taking next week off to improve production values.
He could start by holding the mic near his mouth...
 

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Doesn't say anything we don't already know - that's more or less the case for the majority of the videos on this site (besides MovieBob's deliberately obtuse "..... ARE WEIRD" episodes). The real problem with the show is that this fella has clearly forgotten that he's supposed to entertain. A blind rant shot against a boring dead wall by a grumpy semi-literate mouth with arms is not entertainment.
 

Telemachus

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ugh, i thought this guy was awful. Maybe a few more weeks to refine his delivery but he just seemed like a regular internet troll with moderate intelligence talking about video games.
I hope he gets better, more stuff for us. But I didn't like this first one.