Jimquisition: Who "Won" The Next-Gen Launch?

[BunnyKillBot]

Agreed Jim, the wiiu has had a year to get its **** together, but as the second post had it

Does anyone else think handhelds are being unfairly excluded from this console war shenanigans?
'cause I'm pretty sure the 3DS has the best library out of the current gen systems right now.

I scored a 3ds xl in amazon black friday for christmas because its the only system with games i actually want to play. The only game i care about on the wiiu is the new mario, and buying a whole ststem to play one game is insane. Still, one game is better than the fat zero interest i have in any of the xbone, ps4 titles.

 

[Doclector]

Good episode, but I am genuinely a bit disappointed to not get Jim's full opinion on the PS4 and Xbox one, because at this point, with PS4 having a bunch of games getting "okay" reviews and the xbox one, well, sorry if I sound paranoid but I simply don't trust microsoft again just yet, I'm genuinely stumped for the first time in quite some time.

But you have a point, maybe I should consider the wii U more. Sure, I won't lie, I like a bit more violent catharsis in my gaming than the largely family friendly Wii U is offering right now, and I don't really know whether the motion controls will work with the set up of my room, but it has been occasionally coming out of the shadows to prod me and say "Hey, we released another great title, interested yet?" for about a year now. So maybe I should look into it a bit more.

 

[Strazdas]

So a console that sold less in a year is more sucesful than one that sold more in a week?
Gotcha.
You see, the problem is, success isnt about what you are exited about, it isnt about what games you enjoy or anything like that. Success is about a single thing only - units sold. And as far as success goes - WiiU was terrible. Not OUYA levels of terrible, but terrible.
Now whether success is a good measure if the system is a while different question, but thats the one we will probably agree on anyway.

You know Jim, you shouldn't lick strange consoles, you dont know where they been or how much lead they have in the paint

By that logic you shouldnt lick anything ever.
Have you ever ate and typed? yes? then you already got hundred times more bacterial than he did while licking ouya. There are plenty plenty of things way worse bacteria wise. for exampe a kitchen sponge is one of the msot bacterial infested places in your house, along with your phone and tv remote. consoles are often not up in there because that is bad enviroment for bacterial to live. no grease to live on, temperature changes and dusty dry enviroment.
Lead is another discussion, but then you have am uch worse things to worry than lead if you want to worry about eating from painted items (like plastic bowls).

The wii U:

Allows online multiplayer (albeit implemented poorly with the lack of a good headset) FOR FREE.
Doesn't have mandatory game installs
Isn't putting graphics over aesthetics
Is backwards compatible
Has a spectrum of controllers for your handheld preference
Has a vast library of exclusive games and growing
Is trying to focus as a gaming machine and not a "centre of your living room magic miguffin"

and apparently is everything gamers hate.

I'm getting mine in January or when that dinosaur, robot, tank game comes out. That looks freaking awesome.

Each gamer has its own preferences. Judging by sale numbers those preferences are not in Nintendos favour.
The online multiplayer in Nintendo is, as you say, implemented very poorly.
I install all my games anyway and wouldn't have it any other way. Why would i want to keep putting the disc in when i can just select the game.
Asthetics are subjective. I for one dont see the whole histeria about grey shooters. there are plenty much more pleasant looking games to choose from, just because we got a few bleak games its not the end of the world. Graphics are not the most important thing, but they are important. Being subjective person i find WiiU graphics not asthetic at all.
Old consoles also allow you to play old games. And PC is more backwards conpactible than WiiU.
Can WiiU support keyboard and mouse? No? Okay....
Exclusives are bad thing. Its not something to tout about. exclusives only cheat people of their games and should be gotten rid off. (besides, the only exclusives i were ever interested in anyway was all on PS3)
So is SONY.

When you think of it... Nintendo is the ONLY company that is thinking ahead in the field of console videogames.

Microsoft has it's thumb firmly wedged in the PC market pie and Sony makes more of off TVs/Stereos to care about the average gamer.

If liking a company based on it's (really good) line of products is wrong than I don't want to be right.

Haha, no.
First of all Nintendo, MS and SONY arent the only companies in the gaming market. Heck the way Nvidia is doing business they are pushing gaming a lot more than anything else, and they are much bigger player (if we take only gaming side of companies). Not to mention all handheld, mobile, tablet, pc hardware manufacturers.
Secondly, Micirosoft has been killing its PC gaming and well PC everything for a while now. its a dead horse that gets beaten into working sometimes. Sony is actually loosing A LOT of money in TVs/stereos for the last 2 years. In fact Gaming is the Only profitable part of SONY at the moment.

If i chose a company based on its line of products i would choose PC.

 

[InvisibleMan]

Wisest comments were never posted before... good show, Jim!

 

[DTWolfwood]

I thought the Nintendo WII U launch had all the hype. Everyone was so hype they went and bought the paper weight. Its just unfortunate it had very few noteworthy games to play. And what is there is the same as what was there before, Mario and Zelda...

Yes its new tech but man do they need to court the games developers to make games for it.

Ah well, i have no intention of ever getting a Wii U. So as far as I'm concern, its a 2 horse race.

 

[Korihor]

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I for the most part am a pc gamer.
Pcs are superior in graphics, price, and space saving.

LOL, #1 yes,
#2 no (unless you are just trying to beat consoles and not make a budget gaming rig, which are too close to console prices to matter)
and #3 no (since when did towers plus screens plus keyboard plus desk to put the damn thing on take up less space than my xbox that goes in the same thing my TV is already sitting on? and dont say laptops because then your #2 is def a no).

Sorry i just can't stand to see (insert platform) elitist statements that just aren't founded in reality.

However, there is one area pcs have not matched and that is innovation.
I own a Wii U for both the exclusive games and the sheer fun of the hardware.
That tablet controller is fun to play with.
I also like to play occasionally the motion controls.

I also like the fact that Nintendo does not care what other publishers are doing.
Instead Nintendo does what is best for them.

Honestly I hadn't thought to give the wiiu a try but if Mr Sterling says its solid, I might give it a spin, my wife loves Kirby anyway.

Actually I used to be a PS3 owner.
I found out how much money I was losing on consoles so I switched to pc.
I have a budget gaming computer that I have it hooked up with a hdmi cord to my led 47 inch tv.
As for the wireless keyboard and mouse, I spent 19 dollars for a new wireless logitech keyboard and mouse on ebay.
I am typing this message from my bed in fact.
The mouse moves well on my bed sheet.
I also play my pc games with a xbox 360 wired controller with a usb extender from my bed.
I do not have a complicated or expensive set up at all.
I do not need a computer desk or monitor.
As for space, having to store all those consoles and games is a headache.
As for cost, I actually spend less but I get way more in terms of games thanks to steam sales.
I have over 250 steam games to be exact.

 

[ThinkBad Monkey]

At the moment the Xbox One and PS4 do seem lacking. Mates got the One at the weekend and I thought I would never hear the end of it. They have kept surprising quite tho, must not be too much to brag about yet.

I still haven't shut up about the Vita, so either that console is the best thing to happen in the last few years or I'm compensating for not getting a console on launch. (It may possible be the latter)

 

[Nexxis]

I kind of saw that coming. The PS4 and XBox One are out, but I have yet to hear about any games for them. They still seem to be too busy trying to see which is more powerful than the other rather than bringing out anything really new. Even when it was first announced that these new systems were coming out, I found it very difficult to get excited for them. With game developers cringing at the idea of taking any sort of risk, I worried that the upcoming consoles were just going to be plagued with sequals (and prequals) of franchises that already exist. Franchises I personally had little to no interest in. I'll give them a year and see if they're even worth glancing at. Until then, I'll stick to PC and my Nintendo stuff.

 

[t850terminator]

Well, IDK...
I'm holding a Yahtzee view on Nintendo and the WiiU right now....
......... still waiting on a first-person Metroid game...

 

[doomed89]

Mario 3D world is (finally) out.

The WiiU is officially the ONLY system worth buying now.

Hell, I know Jim covered this topic before, but I disagreed with almost everything he said in that episode so I'm just gonna go with it: the XBone and PS4 don't have any games. I mean there's Killer Instinct and Knack which are cool, but really, who cares about Ryse? Who cares about Dead Rising 3 it looks worse then the fucking first one. And heck, I don't even KNOW what the PS4s launch library fucking IS, that's how little interest it manages to captivate with its pitiful selection. It's not worth buying a whole new system for ONE potentially fine game on either one, and the selection outside of that is slim at best.

Sure it took the WiiU a FUCKING YEAR to get a decent game library, but now that we have Wind Waker HD, Wonderful 101, Super Mario World 3D, Sonic Lost World, along with Monster hunter and ZombiU and of course mother fucking Earthbound, there's actually a decent collection of games to fill up your time with the system. The WiiU is the one worth buying because Nintendo was smart enough to push it out the door before the competition did so that by the time the other two guys were struggling with these issues, they'd already resolved them all.

And as a side note: eh. Jim, don't encourage the Hardware over Software mentality. The only people who care what the Xbone/PS4s specs are already have PCs. It's about the games, if there aren't any games what's the point of the console? No one gives a shit about the eShop and gamepad, and they certainly aren't what makes the WiiU better then those other guys.

Fuck future potential. The mindset of every single person who is even considering dropping hundreds of dollars on a new console needs to ask one question: What have you done for me lately? What are you going to be PLAYING on the Xbone and PS4 if you bought it right now? Not fucking much. Nothing that will keep you playing that console and only that console until some decent fucking games come out for it. So why waste the money on something that is going to do nothing but collect dust in your living room after the initial month or so of post-launch activity while you wait for some new games to release. Which, if they follow the WiiU model, will be a long ways off.

Sense of wonder? Fuck that. It is a machine that I play games on. THAT'S IT. It can be a fine machine, but if there are no games to play on it, it serves no purpose whatsoever. That was the case when the WiiU launched and it only just now rectified it. So get a WiiU, and the six or seven games worth playing for it, and don't even acknowledge the Xbone/PS4's existences until they present something that's actually worth your time or investment.

The problem with wiiU is it's not worth buying at all. Sure if you look at the games it's the "next gen" system most worth buying atm (ps3 or 360 and hell maybe even wii would be a better choice) but it's games are largely rehashed or ps3/360 ports and it's future is looking bleak as it's impossible for it to have anything gameplay wise that ps3/360 can't do and probably have already done. People like to bring up resolution or pcs when talking about specs but the thing with console is games are built for the ground up for those specs, sure you have faster fps and higher res on pc games but what else, does the core gameplay push what top of the line gaming pcs are capable of, of course not most get ported to the consoles pc gamers snuff at. Also wiiUs online is beyond pathetic in every single way, it is the worse out of everything that exists currently on the market period and it's features are lacking and pointless. There is no reason to get a wiiU other then more of the same Nintendo games. Everytime I play a Nintendo game on a newer system it's either pretty boring or I feel like I've already done it on N64.

I don't know where jimstering is getting this sense of wonder from because wiiU has very little to offer. Also if the question is who won the launch wiiU is a failure anyways because it'd be it's launch games, features, or sales not it's current ones over a year later.

 

[DigitalAtlas]

I love my Wii U and this thread just really stroked my confirmation bias in the right way. With games like the Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, and more- the Wii U just always gives me a really good time.

Does anyone else think handhelds are being unfairly excluded from this console war shenanigans?
'cause I'm pretty sure the 3DS has the best library out of the current gen systems right now.

I feel handhelds have their own cycle of generations at this point.

 

[Sofus]

The Steam Machine will most likel be the winner. Why? because there's a good chance that they will make a version that is on par with most pc's and who knows, maybe we will even be able to upgrade it as we see fit... and it will be able to play all the pc games that are on steam, which is more than 2000.

 

[Jennacide]

I'm still at the stage of being annoyed any time the PS4 and Xbone are refered to as any form of "next-gen" when they aren't even current gen compared to PCs. They still aren't even as powerful as my three year old PC that only cost me $600.

You do know when the term "generation" as it is used to describe video game consoles it has nothing to do with power right? It refers to the fact that since the early days of the industry all the different companies tended to release their new consoles together at around the same time, so each time a new group of consoles was released it's referred to as a new "generation" of consoles. PC gaming doesn't have "generations" because as a whole it moves in small increments rather than large jumps as consoles tend to do.

Also relevant:

Also, to people who like to just randomly pop into these conversations to simply say something like "PC gaming master race", shut the fuck up. To anyone on here who simply mentioned that they play PC gaming and are merely making it clear that they don't pay too much attention to consoles, this is not directed towards you. To the ones who do say stuff like that:

1. It makes you sound like a pretentious douche.
2. This is about consoles, not PC's, and most people already know about the PC having a lot of strong points over consoles, however,
3. If you're like me, there's one thing that makes consoles superior. The ability to buy the console, and it will just be there for the next few years. I don't have to replace drivers or update software manually. I love having a PC that says I can run a game, but then can't without an update that I can't get to work. I'd also run the risk of breaking my computer if I tried to mess with anything like graphics cards or anything, since me and computers don't get along.

Seriously, everyone needs to just shut up and play their games and have fun. Doesn't matter on what console you are enjoying them, just do it.

A couple of things with this:

1) Console generations were originally about large technological leaps and not release setup. First generation includes all three Atari's, which nobody will debate each one is a different machine. They ran about the same, but in particular the 5200 could not play the same games as the 2600 or 7800. One could argue it's similar to the Slim units of consoles we currently get, but back then that wasn't the case. The 7800 ran backwards compatibility much like the PS3 originally did, by including the older 2600 chipset pieces. As such, I stand by my comment that this is not a new generation, or the "next generation," not like the leap from PS2 to PS3 or Xbox to 360. The PS4 is not a vast jump from the PS3, and the Xbox One isn't even as much of a jump as the Wii going to the Wii-U.

2) In regards to PsychoEdge's third comment: How many people out there have had a Xbox RROD? Mine did three different times. How often do you hear complaints about certain game ports being downright unfunctional? (Like PS3 Skyrim) Error like those described are not just PC issues, and I'd argue you see them more in consoles than PCs. Who here has bricked a PC? I'd point out I'm technologically retarded when it comes to computer hardware, and I've never had problem one with any of my computers, nor have I ever had to bring them in for repairs. Only issue I've ever had was a hard drive died on me, compared to: two dead PS2s, RROD 3x's, and countless NES and SNES games that have dead save batteries and are unplayable.

I'm not saying PC is the master race, but I am saying that both sides of the stupid argument need to be truthful. Consoles are not all they are cracked up to be, and this is not a new generation. Equally, computers are more expensive, tend to have obnoxious DRM, and require more effort on your part with stuff like keeping drivers up to date. Though, that's getting even easier with Steam offering to update that stuff for you. Neither is perfect, neither is garbage.

 

[doomed89]

Hey, the beginning of the year wants its post back, since none of what you said is relevant anymore. I just fucking listed off like 7 games that are awesome on the WiiU, and fuck, Wonderful 101 is legit worth buying the system for it and it alone. I wouldn't recommend doing that, cuz buying a system for one game is stupid, but add in new Mario, Sonic, Wind Waker, Pikmin 3, Earthbound and ZombiU (and Monster Hunter if that's your thing but eh niche) Then boom, money well spent.

(you also seem to be ignoring everything else I fucking said aside from that since I already said focusing on hardware capability is stupid and poopooed his "sense of wonder" tripe)

I do have to agree with your final point, that if we're talking launch competition only launch games count, then yeah. The only thing I'd argue is that the WiiU doesn't lose, it's a three way tie for last place.


And hey, lest anyone think I'm being too kind to the WiiU, it took Nintendo a FUCKING YEAR to make their console worth a shit. That system was NOT worth buying before now, so what the fuck Nintendo? You don't get off the hook for that shit.

It's all relevant. I'm not saying to buy a ps4/xbone over wiiU I'm saying to play your last gen console until ps4 gets more games because wiiU isn't worth it. I am aware of all those games and I'm not impressed, mario played on n64 doesn't seem to be anything new, if I had a wiiU i'd buy and play it oh wait I wouldn't because it's always full price even a gen later but kinda going off topic there anyways but not worth getting system over, sonic actually haven't looked into I kinda gave up on sonic which is weird because I am a big sonic fan but I'd rather replay dreamcast ones and 2d old ones, wind waker is a port from an old Nintendo system, it should be on the eshop with a dozen other games from the same system and hundreds of games from older consoles atleast by this point in it's life that goes 100x for earthbound, monster hunter also an old port (I don't mind ports I have plenty of those on vita (well more multiplat) but you need more ports need quantity because they are automatically quality, ZombiU and wonderful 101 seem decent enough but I have like 50 better games on ps3 that I haven't beat at least (not exaggerating, backlog pretty big... I can link you to site where I have list if you want) so yeah wiiU might have 7 games worth playing but within two years ps4 will have like 50 and wiiU will be lucky to have 21.

I'll admit alot of that was off your post and me just ranting about his video (which is what this thread is about) but capabilities do matter, because like I said it means developers can make better games on pc it will always be wasted potential but console games can logistically shoot for the potential and thus you get games that do things weaker systems (ps3/360/wiiU) can't.

Though the only reason to get a next gen system now is if you have the money and you want to support it so it will have those games in the future and there is a launch game you want and again you have the money.

 

[doomed89]

I'm still at the stage of being annoyed any time the PS4 and Xbone are refered to as any form of "next-gen" when they aren't even current gen compared to PCs. They still aren't even as powerful as my three year old PC that only cost me $600.

You do know when the term "generation" as it is used to describe video game consoles it has nothing to do with power right? It refers to the fact that since the early days of the industry all the different companies tended to release their new consoles together at around the same time, so each time a new group of consoles was released it's referred to as a new "generation" of consoles. PC gaming doesn't have "generations" because as a whole it moves in small increments rather than large jumps as consoles tend to do.

Also relevant:

Also, to people who like to just randomly pop into these conversations to simply say something like "PC gaming master race", shut the fuck up. To anyone on here who simply mentioned that they play PC gaming and are merely making it clear that they don't pay too much attention to consoles, this is not directed towards you. To the ones who do say stuff like that:

1. It makes you sound like a pretentious douche.
2. This is about consoles, not PC's, and most people already know about the PC having a lot of strong points over consoles, however,
3. If you're like me, there's one thing that makes consoles superior. The ability to buy the console, and it will just be there for the next few years. I don't have to replace drivers or update software manually. I love having a PC that says I can run a game, but then can't without an update that I can't get to work. I'd also run the risk of breaking my computer if I tried to mess with anything like graphics cards or anything, since me and computers don't get along.

Seriously, everyone needs to just shut up and play their games and have fun. Doesn't matter on what console you are enjoying them, just do it.

A couple of things with this:

1) Console generations were originally about large technological leaps and not release setup. First generation includes all three Atari's, which nobody will debate each one is a different machine. They ran about the same, but in particular the 5200 could not play the same games as the 2600 or 7800. One could argue it's similar to the Slim units of consoles we currently get, but back then that wasn't the case. The 7800 ran backwards compatibility much like the PS3 originally did, by including the older 2600 chipset pieces. As such, I stand by my comment that this is not a new generation, or the "next generation," not like the leap from PS2 to PS3 or Xbox to 360. The PS4 is not a vast jump from the PS3, and the Xbox One isn't even as much of a jump as the Wii going to the Wii-U.

2) In regards to PsychoEdge's third comment: How many people out there have had a Xbox RROD? Mine did three different times. How often do you hear complaints about certain game ports being downright unfunctional? (Like PS3 Skyrim) Error like those described are not just PC issues, and I'd argue you see them more in consoles than PCs. Who here has bricked a PC? I'd point out I'm technologically retarded when it comes to computer hardware, and I've never had problem one with any of my computers, nor have I ever had to bring them in for repairs. Only issue I've ever had was a hard drive died on me, compared to: two dead PS2s, RROD 3x's, and countless NES and SNES games that have dead save batteries and are unplayable.

I'm not saying PC is the master race, but I am saying that both sides of the stupid argument need to be truthful. Consoles are not all they are cracked up to be, and this is not a new generation. Equally, computers are more expensive, tend to have obnoxious DRM, and require more effort on your part with stuff like keeping drivers up to date. Though, that's getting even easier with Steam offering to update that stuff for you. Neither is perfect, neither is garbage.

Um for number 2 both those examples are outweighed on pc then the consoles... it's just more acceptable on pc and is more likely to get patched. The bricked on especially, at my house we've had issues with computers not working/working right at least 10 times in last 5 years, the difference is you take your computer in or get the part you need or find a fix online instead of going online to complain like with consoles. Who here has ever gone online to whine about whatever company made their computer when it dies, hell most people don't even know what company made it.

 

[New Frontiersman]

I love my Wii U and this thread just really stroked my confirmation bias in the right way. With games like the Wonderful 101, Pikmin 3, Monster Hunter 3 Ultimate, and more- the Wii U just always gives me a really good time.

I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who feels this way. I love my Wii U, and it's good to see people saying nice things about it for once.