Jimquisition: Xbox 360 and PS3 Are Just Very Crap PCs

[ElPatron]

Spending five, yes FIVE hours recently trying to get Diablo 3 running on my PC only to find that all it really needed was the 8th reinstall was not a fun time.

So it's automatically your PC's fault. Surely there was no human error of your own and no responsibility on Blizzard's part.

You find it sad that people use the term "pc master race", I find it sad when people use computers to excuse their own lack of knowledge. Come on, nobody is forced to have all the knowledge in the world - but that's no reason to blame other parties.

 

[Strain42]

Valid arguments from both Jim and from the gaming community, but here's something I just want to note

I just don't like PC gaming for one major reason...because it's on my computer.

I have two jobs right now, both of them requiring me to use my PC as my biggest tool, and I'm also a full time student so a vast majority of my studying and assignments are done on the PC. Aside from the fact that I like to just mess around on the internet...I spend enough time on the computer as it is.

The last thing I want to do is have this thing that already sucks up so much of my life also be my primary source of gaming, one of the hobbies I have specifically to get myself away from the computer.

 

[him over there]

Spending five, yes FIVE hours recently trying to get Diablo 3 running on my PC only to find that all it really needed was the 8th reinstall was not a fun time.

So it's automatically your PC's fault. Surely there was no human error of your own and no responsibility on Blizzard's part.

You find it sad that people use the term "pc master race", I find it sad when people use computers to excuse their own lack of knowledge. Come on, nobody is forced to have all the knowledge in the world - but that's no reason to blame other parties.

I believe his point was that pcs are less accessible and have an opportunity for fuck ups. He wasn't blaming his lack of knowledge on the pc, just that it wouldn't be relevant concerning consoles.

 

[Bigeyez]

Why is the whole PC vs Console thing played out like we can't have both?

How do I decide which system to buy games for? Simple. Whichever system allows me to play with my friends.

Thats it. Why people waste time fighting over which one is "better" is beyond me. Each thing has its pros and cons and at the end of the day is subjective based on the player and who he/she wants to play with (if anyone).

 

[Epona]

Why is the whole PC vs Console thing played out like we can't have both?

How do I decide which system to buy games for? Simple. Whichever system allows me to play with my friends.

Thats it. Why people waste time fighting over which one is "better" is beyond me. Each thing has its pros and cons and at the end of the day is subjective based on the player and who he/she wants to play with (if anyone).

You also choose one over the other and you are posting in this thread. People care and argue about which is better because like everything else, you want the best experience. Everytime you make a decision you are choosing one thing over the other.

 

[mfeff]

Also i think its easier to cheat on games on PC than a console.

Funny you should say that, considering PC is the only platform where you can still play pretty much any COD game released before Black Ops without finding a cheater in every lobby.

PC gamers care more about graphics and physics than the actual game....

No they do not.

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/jimquisition/4131-The-Beautiful-Irony-of-PC-Gaming

(I'm starting to like Jim again. He has me covered on everything.)

I tend to agree with this sentiment quite strongly...

Let's say a video game is like a lover...

Game play is the attitude, and graphics are the makeup/presentation... if the attitude sucks... the long term relationship simply will not last. Years of "chasing the mayfly" of graphic improvements as the be all and end all, aka. the next big thing, has left many an old hand of the mouse n' keyboard a little bit weary of the empty promises and garbage attitude.

2c... anyways.

 

[Roroshi14]

The biggest difference is PRICE. As he said the consoles are on par with mid level gaming PC's. BUT $300 seven years ago for a 360 or $1000 bucks for a GOOD PC every 2 years or so. The money adds up very quickly. Other than that yea I agree.

 

[Bigeyez]

Why is the whole PC vs Console thing played out like we can't have both?

How do I decide which system to buy games for? Simple. Whichever system allows me to play with my friends.

Thats it. Why people waste time fighting over which one is "better" is beyond me. Each thing has its pros and cons and at the end of the day is subjective based on the player and who he/she wants to play with (if anyone).

You also choose one over the other and you are posting in this thread. People care and argue about which is better because like everything else, you want the best experience. Everytime you make a decision you are choosing one thing over the other.

I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. What I'm referring to is that people say things like "im a pc/console gamer" as if you cant game on both things and then proceed to make fun of and verbally attack people who "side" with the other camp. The "Best" experience is not determined by what anyone else but the player themself says. It is something subjective.

I am a gamer, period. I play games on my Xbox, my PC, my Phone, and my Tablet.

 

[Danial]

Spending five, yes FIVE hours recently trying to get Diablo 3 running on my PC only to find that all it really needed was the 8th reinstall was not a fun time.

So it's automatically your PC's fault. Surely there was no human error of your own and no responsibility on Blizzard's part.

You find it sad that people use the term "pc master race", I find it sad when people use computers to excuse their own lack of knowledge. Come on, nobody is forced to have all the knowledge in the world - but that's no reason to blame other parties.

Which ment you clearly read this part when i said;

The problem I have with PC gaming is that while its all well and good if you actually get how to Mod, Debug, Fix hard/software issues, If you don't, or at least can't be bothered to fix/tinker with your games, It's a nightmare.

It's great that you read my post so well, I hope you enjoyed the part where I blamed the PC for this as and then said it was all its fault and not at all mine, then the part where the wizard saved the day, they were both as epic as they were nonexistent.

You seem ready to jump down my throat to defend something I never attacked, while PC gaming is fine, I do not like it for the reasons I stated, It can be a hassle, I am not amazing at fixing and maintain PC's, I am good enough at them to get by, I diagnose and fix basic to medium problems and at least be lead round a PC with ease, but its a hassle i don't want from a hobby i use to unwind and have fun. I could improve my knowledge on the subject but i have no need too, I am more than PC literate for my job and don't really have any need to want to improve my time gaming, Consoles are fine for this. Also add to the fact i save an ungodly amount of money with Internet rentals it works out well.

And yes, I do think the "PC master race" and looking down on people who don't really want to PC game stuff is sad/Pathetic, As I do the little shits on the console side who make me want to head but a wall. Its a fucking hobby of someone you will never meet or wont at all affect you, grow up. Dare i say this also applys to random people reading half a post then white knighting, but I digress.

TLDR: PC/Console gaming still not perfect for everyone, More news at 11.

 

[I Max95]

i can think of a benefit to console gaming, simplicity, every time i've ever played a game on PC i've had to tweak the settings, go through the installation process (which sometimes does not work for older titles) and hope to god it works.

the details for buying a new computer are endlessly complex same thing with graphics cards and if i play a game with incredibly toned down settings it's rendered unplayable not just through graphics but lag and frame rate.

plus all of my computers are pretty much piss poor, because i'm not at all well off with money. i work minimum wage and my parents don't have much in the way of disposable income, they bought me an xbox and a ps3 only because they were on sale at the time and i didn't already have either of them, but with computers if they were on sale i would'nt even know which computer to buy because of all the complicated details like graphical quality and processing power

and don't tell me my computer can handle it if i tone the setting down, no it fucking can't, i toned the graphics down COMEPLETELY for the free copy of Mass Effect 2 i got through some deal bioware had, and not only did it not work, it didn't even start, the game crashed before it made it to the main menu

with consoles you buy it and you know what it does, it plays games, you put a game in there and it WILL work, because that is specifically what the console was designed to do, there isn't a single chance it won't because all games created for it were designed with it's limitations in mind

 

[Epona]

The biggest difference is PRICE. As he said the consoles are on par with mid level gaming PC's. BUT $300 seven years ago for a 360 or $1000 bucks for a GOOD PC every 2 years or so. The money adds up very quickly. Other than that yea I agree.

You don't buy completely new PC's every two years. You upgrade your video card but even if you pay $1000 for a PC off the shelf (monitor not included), it will be fine for more than two years.

 

[the doom cannon]

Can you honestly repeat what you said after looking through those two lists?

That was possibly the greatest post on here.
Top games for 360: cod, halo, gears
Top games for PC: The Sims, Half life, Minecraft. Also surprised to see Guild Wars up there, which is my current favorite rpg.

The numbers speak for themselves. Console gamers like their simple, mindless run and gun (not meant as an insult, I happen to enjoy simple, mindless run and gun too). PC gamers like story and gameplay (bf2 is not run and gun just fyi)

 

[ElPatron]

I believe his point was that pcs are less accessible and have an opportunity for fuck ups. He wasn't blaming his lack of knowledge on the pc, just that it wouldn't be relevant concerning consoles.

Yeah, but I don't remember the last "fuck up" I had.

Either I am some kind of lucky dog that has been dodging all the bullets, but I simply keep my drivers up to date an everything goes smooth. A fuckup due to hardware is also possible in any product for sale, a fuckup due to software means that someone has been messing with his OS.

If PC's were truly less accessible, they would not be part of the workforce worldwide. Heck, let's bring Mac onto the table too. They are accessible. They play some games.

I can't think of anything more accessible than popping the tray open, insert disc, install and play. Maybe even install a patch. Because that's exactly my experience with consoles and PC's alike.

The biggest difference is PRICE. As he said the consoles are on par with mid level gaming PC's. BUT $300 seven years ago for a 360 or $1000 bucks for a GOOD PC every 2 years or so. The money adds up very quickly. Other than that yea I agree.

More like (I am getting sick of typing this) 250? three years ago, and I think it's going to survive it's 4th year without any upgrades. Rather wait for the new CPUs and ditch this motherboard.

Add the 45-50? launch price for the games, and the money won't add up as much.

 

[Epona]

Why is the whole PC vs Console thing played out like we can't have both?

How do I decide which system to buy games for? Simple. Whichever system allows me to play with my friends.

Thats it. Why people waste time fighting over which one is "better" is beyond me. Each thing has its pros and cons and at the end of the day is subjective based on the player and who he/she wants to play with (if anyone).

You also choose one over the other and you are posting in this thread. People care and argue about which is better because like everything else, you want the best experience. Everytime you make a decision you are choosing one thing over the other.

I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. What I'm referring to is that people say things like "im a pc/console gamer" as if you cant game on both things and then proceed to make fun of and verbally attack people who "side" with the other camp. The "Best" experience is not determined by what anyone else but the player themself says. It is something subjective.

I am a gamer, period. I play games on my Xbox, my PC, my Phone, and my Tablet.

I play games on my PC and all my consoles and handhelds (though the 360 no longer interests me) but I still admit that PC gaming is superior. Aside from exclusives, I can play most games on my PC with better graphics, faster loading and I can usually hook up a 360 controller and plug the PC into my HDTV via HDMI. What's not superior about that?

My 360 may throw ads at me but my PC won't.

 

[the doom cannon]

Spoiler

i can think of a benefit to console gaming, simplicity, every time i've ever played a game on PC i've had to tweak the settings, go through the installation process (which sometimes does not work for older titles) and hope to god it works.

the details for buying a new computer are endlessly complex same thing with graphics cards and if i play a game with incredibly toned down settings it's rendered unplayable not just through graphics but lag and frame rate.

plus all of my computers are pretty much piss poor, because i'm not at all well off with money. i work minimum wage and my parents don't have much in the way of disposable income, they bought me an xbox and a ps3 only because they were on sale at the time and i didn't already have either of them, but with computers if they were on sale i would'nt even know which computer to buy because of all the complicated details like graphical quality and processing power

and don't tell me my computer can handle it if i tone the setting down, no it fucking can't, i toned the graphics down COMEPLETELY for the free copy of Mass Effect 2 i got through some deal bioware had, and not only did it not work, it didn't even start, the game crashed before it made it to the main menu

with consoles you buy it and you know what it does, it plays games, you put a game in there and it WILL work, because that is specifically what the console was designed to do, there isn't a single chance it won't because all games created for it were designed with it's limitations in mind

EDIT-sorry I'm very bad at conveying what I want to say in words
The thing is, most consoles no longer JUST do gaming. They have web browsers, can play movies, and all that jazz. Jim's point was that because consoles are trying to do things that computers can, they are losing their original appeal of simplicity.

 

[CardinalPiggles]

Look, I enjoy PC gaming from time to time, but to say you can't think of anything that makes consoles better than PCs in any way? How about the fact that when I install a $50 game on my PC, it more often then not requires me to spend 1-3 hours getting the damn thing to run on my stupid PC because whatever they used doesn't conform to my sound/video/processor of choice.

Because of the boring conformity, at least I know my games will be compatible with my 360 or PS3. And yes, I love mods, but I can at least see this as being a benefit to boring old console gaming.

This one speaks the truth.

At least when I buy a game on a console I don't have to worry about it not working at all.

And the start up costs of a console is much cheaper than PC, even when you build them yourself. For an Xbox, hard drive, all the cables (including HDMI), a headset, a controller, and one or two games it's only about £150-£200.

It's also worth noting that to get the best, you could just run both.

 

[Danial]

The True answer ofc, is to play your games on which ever one you f**king like. The wrong answer is to find out someone is playing the one you don't like, then to go nuts, start swearing and throwing your own excrement at the walls.

But anyway, enough of this, I Finished my LFR group, checked the Steam sales, finished downloading DAO on steam now i have enough room for it again so now I'm off to play some dawnguard for a while then get some sleep as I'm hoping to finish ME3 on insanity to finally 1000 point that fucking game on my day off. Im such a horrible human it hurts.

PS: haha the Solve answer was Vice versa, apt... I think.

 

[Bigeyez]

Why is the whole PC vs Console thing played out like we can't have both?

How do I decide which system to buy games for? Simple. Whichever system allows me to play with my friends.

Thats it. Why people waste time fighting over which one is "better" is beyond me. Each thing has its pros and cons and at the end of the day is subjective based on the player and who he/she wants to play with (if anyone).

You also choose one over the other and you are posting in this thread. People care and argue about which is better because like everything else, you want the best experience. Everytime you make a decision you are choosing one thing over the other.

I think you misunderstood what I'm saying. What I'm referring to is that people say things like "im a pc/console gamer" as if you cant game on both things and then proceed to make fun of and verbally attack people who "side" with the other camp. The "Best" experience is not determined by what anyone else but the player themself says. It is something subjective.

I am a gamer, period. I play games on my Xbox, my PC, my Phone, and my Tablet.

I play games on my PC and all my consoles and handhelds (though the 360 no longer interests me) but I still admit that PC gaming is superior. Aside from exclusives, I can play most games on my PC with better graphics, faster loading and I can usually hook up a 360 controller and plug the PC into my HDTV via HDMI. What's not superior about that?

My 360 may throw ads at me but my PC won't.

If you are trying to convince me into saying that PC gaming is superior then you are definitely missing my point.

Graphics, faster loading and the ability to plug into an HDTV (I don't have one and dont care to get one anyways) does not make one system superior to the others in my mind. Thats why its subjective.

My "superior" system depends on the game I'm playing, when I want to play it, and who I want to play it with.

You are describing superiority in what you in your mind value to be the most important things. So to you PCs are the superior platform. Thats great, good for you.

Again what I'm saying is that all platforms have their pros and cons and at the end of the day it is up to the consumer to decide which one suits their wants better for any particular game.

 

[ElPatron]

Spending five, yes FIVE hours recently trying to get Diablo 3 running on my PC only to find that all it really needed was the 8th reinstall was not a fun time.

So it's automatically your PC's fault. Surely there was no human error of your own and no responsibility on Blizzard's part.

You find it sad that people use the term "pc master race", I find it sad when people use computers to excuse their own lack of knowledge. Come on, nobody is forced to have all the knowledge in the world - but that's no reason to blame other parties.

Which ment you clearly read this part when i said;

The problem I have with PC gaming is that while its all well and good if you actually get how to Mod, Debug, Fix hard/software issues, If you don't, or at least can't be bothered to fix/tinker with your games, It's a nightmare.

I don't know how the fudge you mod anything, I barely know what debug means, I am not qualified to fix hardware and much less software, which involved programming. I SUCK at programming.

I have been in PC gaming with a surprisingly low knowledge on PCs. I didn't even build my own, I paid for it.

 

[Vigormortis]

Congratulations Mr. Sterling. You've just made a video stating essentially what I've stated ON THIS FORUM several times since 2009. The only difference is that you've got your own webshow that takes inspiration from MovieBob and everyone listens to you and nobody listens to me. ...ever.

I listened, because I too often said the very things you and Mr. Sterling say on the matter. 'Course, almost no one listened to me either. Those that did often exploded into a tirade of insults and pointless banter either agreeing with me (and taking it upon themselves to berate console players. something I don't do) or disagreeing with me (and berating me for everything I said, often opposing my points with nonsense, personal insults, or strawman arguments).

To be honest, I'm not even sure how it's an arguable topic anymore. Let's get real people. PCs ARE better than consoles now. That's a quantifiable FACT.

You can still prefer consoles, for any number of reasons. After all, we all like different things. I still love my old consoles. Just don't try to convince us they're better on a technical or functional level, because they're not. They don't have to be better, of course. They still play games. That's the important aspect in all of this. But it still remains that their form, function, and business model are the very definition of antiquated.