JRPG: Roleplaying game? Or Statistics-Strategy Micromanagement Game?

[BirdBornAsBee]

Bottom line is thus; We call them JRPG's. The world calls them JRPG's. You can redefine the genre all you want, but it's not going to take.
Your new acronym for it? Yeah, it stinks.
If you dislike the story-driven roleplaying you should really just stick to oblivion and fallout 3. I don't really see what you're griping about. Western RPG's have lots of choices that influence the outcome of the story, like you want. JRPG's don't. Now, I'm looking at a pretty clear solution here. And it doesn't include making grand plans to redefine a whole genre and in the process making yourself look like just another console tard that was touched in the naughty place by someone claiming to be sephiroth when you were young.

If you keep winding yourself up about it by playing JRPG's though, that's when we have a problem.

Well... I don't dislike JRPG, FFIX is still one of my most favorite game ever, but calling it roleplaying just isn't right, but...

I am sorry, but what the fuck did you just write? How does being touched in the dick by a character from a game has to do with anything besides being a creepy fanfiction writer, you creepy fanfiction writer?

 

[BirdBornAsBee]

You should try playing some of the Shin Megami Tensei games. Nocturne has multiple endings depending of your choices during the game. It's actually more complex and interesting than that, so you should do some research.

Oh, Persona 4 also has moments that your choices affect the storyline.

Hey, I have actually heard a lot of good news about Shin Megami Tensei, if I have the chance I will try it for a bit. But I am not going to try Persona 4, I hate J-pop culture.

Hm, actually, I didn't see much of that in Persona 4. Well, there's a singer in your party, but that's all can think of. Maybe it's because I don't know exactly what is J-Pop culture.
I still recommend Persona. I thought the gameplay was great, the characters are interesting and have interesting inner conflicts, the plot kept me hooked till the end and the soundtrack was very good. I mean, the game is pretty different from your average JRPG.
That's my opinion, at least.

I think he justmeans Japanese culture, because it's a game set in japan with very japanese themes, and it's a spin off of a series based on a book written in japan. (The original Shin Megami Tensei was a book)

No, that's not what I wrote. I meant I am not going to try Persona 4 because I hate J-pop culture.

And thus it makes no sense because the games main narrative is focused around mythology (P3 used Greek Myth at it's core what with Nyx, Thanatos and Orpheus) and P4 uses Japanese Shinto Myth I believe. besides some music how the hell is that pop culture?

Hey man, that's what I heard/read, I will be the judge myself once I have seen more of it.

Forgive my j-pop culture-phobia.

 

[Kelthurin]

Bottom line is thus; We call them JRPG's. The world calls them JRPG's. You can redefine the genre all you want, but it's not going to take.
Your new acronym for it? Yeah, it stinks.
If you dislike the story-driven roleplaying you should really just stick to oblivion and fallout 3. I don't really see what you're griping about. Western RPG's have lots of choices that influence the outcome of the story, like you want. JRPG's don't. Now, I'm looking at a pretty clear solution here. And it doesn't include making grand plans to redefine a whole genre and in the process making yourself look like just another console tard that was touched in the naughty place by someone claiming to be sephiroth when you were young.

If you keep winding yourself up about it by playing JRPG's though, that's when we have a problem.

Well... I don't dislike JRPG, FFIX is still one of my most favorite game ever, but calling it roleplaying just isn't right, but...

I am sorry, but what the fuck did you just write? How does being touched in the dick by a character from a game has to do with anything besides being a creepy fanfiction writer, you creepy fanfiction writer?

You should try FF9. While the graphics are crap compared to newer games, the gameplay and story is better than most of the next-gen crap.

Anyway, back on track;
...How the hell did I just become a creepy fanfiction writer? I demand proof backing up your slander!
And what does it have to do with it? Well, that's how I see every console tard, really. So basically, it's my assumption and opinion of what must have happened to make someone such an unlikeable individual. That's what its got to do with it.

But, seriously. In a JRPG, you Play the Role of the main character in a Japanese-made Game. So, why can't it be called an RPG? The only difference is that it's more narrated to follow a certain story instead of letting you make your own story. I do believe that's why they call them JRPG's and not WRPG's. There's a clear defining line there without nitpicking at all the small cracks.

 

[BirdBornAsBee]

You should try playing some of the Shin Megami Tensei games. Nocturne has multiple endings depending of your choices during the game. It's actually more complex and interesting than that, so you should do some research.

Oh, Persona 4 also has moments that your choices affect the storyline.

Hey, I have actually heard a lot of good news about Shin Megami Tensei, if I have the chance I will try it for a bit. But I am not going to try Persona 4, I hate J-pop culture.

Hm, actually, I didn't see much of that in Persona 4. Well, there's a singer in your party, but that's all can think of. Maybe it's because I don't know exactly what is J-Pop culture.
I still recommend Persona. I thought the gameplay was great, the characters are interesting and have interesting inner conflicts, the plot kept me hooked till the end and the soundtrack was very good. I mean, the game is pretty different from your average JRPG.
That's my opinion, at least.

I think he justmeans Japanese culture, because it's a game set in japan with very japanese themes, and it's a spin off of a series based on a book written in japan. (The original Shin Megami Tensei was a book)

No, that's not what I wrote. I meant I am not going to try Persona 4 because I hate J-pop culture.

And thus it makes no sense because the games main narrative is focused around mythology (P3 used Greek Myth at it's core what with Nyx, Thanatos and Orpheus) and P4 uses Japanese Shinto Myth I believe. besides some music how the hell is that pop culture?

Hey man, that's what I heard/read, I will be the judge myself once I have seen more of it.

Forgive my j-pop culture-phobia.

Hey i'm not blaming you, i'll be cracking the game open myself soon enough (just as soon as I finish up P3) but As far as I can gather besides the one J-Pop singer and a few of the soundtracks it's mostly a murder mystery mixed with Japanese Shinto myth.

If you do consider it ever just remember, P3 will never end happily, P4 WILL but you have to ve very specific.

If you want something Less mainstream (Atlus's words were they made Persona to be a mainstream acceptable SMT) then get a regular SMT like Nocture or Kaizou Raidou.

Sad ending?

Oh I love when main character dies at the end! Wtf kind of warning is that? Sad endings are awesome.

 

[BirdBornAsBee]

Bottom line is thus; We call them JRPG's. The world calls them JRPG's. You can redefine the genre all you want, but it's not going to take.
Your new acronym for it? Yeah, it stinks.
If you dislike the story-driven roleplaying you should really just stick to oblivion and fallout 3. I don't really see what you're griping about. Western RPG's have lots of choices that influence the outcome of the story, like you want. JRPG's don't. Now, I'm looking at a pretty clear solution here. And it doesn't include making grand plans to redefine a whole genre and in the process making yourself look like just another console tard that was touched in the naughty place by someone claiming to be sephiroth when you were young.

If you keep winding yourself up about it by playing JRPG's though, that's when we have a problem.

Well... I don't dislike JRPG, FFIX is still one of my most favorite game ever, but calling it roleplaying just isn't right, but...

I am sorry, but what the fuck did you just write? How does being touched in the dick by a character from a game has to do with anything besides being a creepy fanfiction writer, you creepy fanfiction writer?

You should try FF9. While the graphics are crap compared to newer games, the gameplay and story is better than most of the next-gen crap.

Anyway, bakc on track;
...How the hell did I just become a creepy fanfiction writer? I demand proof backing up your slander!
And what does it have to do with it? Well, that's how I see every console tard, really. So basically, it's my assumption and opinion of what must have happened to make someone such an unlikeable individual. That's what its got to do with it.

But, seriously. In a JRPG, you Play the Role of the main character in a Japanese-made Game. So, why can't it be called an RPG? The only difference is that it's more narrated to follow a certain story instead of letting you make your own story. I do believe that's why they call them JRPG's and not WRPG's. There's a clear defining line there without nitpicking at all the small cracks.

I just wrote that FFIX/FF9 is my favorite game of all time in the comment you just quoted me in.

Wait, so if you own a console, you will get molested by characters from games? JRPG to be specific?

 

[NeutralDrow]

Dear god, didn't we just have this discussion yesterday?

Unless somebody can provide me more convincing argument, I will be calling JRPG SSMG from now on.

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Statistics-Strategy Micromangement Game? You mean, like...every single RPG to have ever existed and ever will?

You should try playing some of the Shin Megami Tensei games. Nocturne has multiple endings depending of your choices during the game. It's actually more complex and interesting than that, so you should do some research.

Oh, Persona 4 also has moments that your choices affect the storyline.

Hey, I have actually heard a lot of good news about Shin Megami Tensei, if I have the chance I will try it for a bit. But I am not going to try Persona 4, I hate J-pop culture.

Hm, actually, I didn't see much of that in Persona 4. Well, there's a singer in your party, but that's all can think of. Maybe it's because I don't know exactly what is J-Pop culture.
I still recommend Persona. I thought the gameplay was great, the characters are interesting and have interesting inner conflicts, the plot kept me hooked till the end and the soundtrack was very good. I mean, the game is pretty different from your average JRPG.
That's my opinion, at least.

I think he justmeans Japanese culture, because it's a game set in japan with very japanese themes, and it's a spin off of a series based on a book written in japan. (The original Shin Megami Tensei was a book)

No, that's not what I wrote. I meant I am not going to try Persona 4 because I hate J-pop culture.

And thus it makes no sense because the games main narrative is focused around mythology (P3 used Greek Myth at it's core what with Nyx, Thanatos and Orpheus) and P4 uses Japanese Shinto Myth I believe. besides some music how the hell is that pop culture?

Hey man, that's what I heard/read, I will be the judge myself once I have seen more of it.

Forgive my j-pop culture-phobia.

Hey i'm not blaming you, i'll be cracking the game open myself soon enough (just as soon as I finish up P3) but As far as I can gather besides the one J-Pop singer and a few of the soundtracks it's mostly a murder mystery mixed with Japanese Shinto myth.

If you do consider it ever just remember, P3 will never end happily, P4 WILL but you have to ve very specific.

If you want something Less mainstream (Atlus's words were they made Persona to be a mainstream acceptable SMT) then get a regular SMT like Nocture or Kaizou Raidou.

Sad ending?

Oh I love when main character dies at the end! Wtf kind of warning is that? Sad endings are awesome.

Play Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World. Win every fight. Every fight.

 

[Iampringles]

Bah this old boring arguement again?

Look western RPG's like to make the player have moral choises(they all fail at it, might as well not put them) and big open worlds.

Japanese RPG's are more like a cinematic role playing experience with more input on the stories.

I would say that Fallout 3's moral choice system was pretty successful.

 

[NeutralDrow]

Bah this old boring arguement again?

Look western RPG's like to make the player have moral choises(they all fail at it, might as well not put them) and big open worlds.

Japanese RPG's are more like a cinematic role playing experience with more input on the stories.

I would say that Fallout 3's moral choice system was pretty successful.

I'll say it did, since every single person I've seen who liked it seemed to suddenly say "everything that's not like Fallout 3 isn't an RPG" (with Fallout occasionally replaced with Mass Effect).

 

[Kelthurin]

I just wrote that FFIX/FF9 is my favorite game of all time in the comment you just quoted me in.

Wait, so if you own a console, you will get molested by characters from games? JRPG to be specific?

Ah, right. I read it as FFX. My bad.

And you're assuming that I call everyone who owns a console by that. I don't.

I'm sorry, are you trying to avoid replying to what I believe is a sound counter-argument to your nitpicking?

 

[BirdBornAsBee]

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Statistics-Strategy Micromangement Game? You mean, like...every single RPG to have ever existed and ever will?

No, I don't. I mean JRPG. not "RPG to have ever existed and ever will", and that's a strange name for a genre of games.

 

[NeutralDrow]

That's one of the stupidest things I've ever heard. Statistics-Strategy Micromangement Game? You mean, like...every single RPG to have ever existed and ever will?

No, I don't. I mean JRPG. not "RPG to have ever existed and ever will", and that's a strange name for a genre of games.

I know, that's why I'm confused as to the point of your trying to name them that.

 

[BirdBornAsBee]

I'm sorry, are you trying to avoid replying to what I believe is a sound counter-argument to your nitpicking?

Ok ok ok, fine. Sephroth did not touch my dick, nor any character from any game.

 

[Kelthurin]

I'm sorry, are you trying to avoid replying to what I believe is a sound counter-argument to your nitpicking?

Ok ok ok, fine. Sephroth did not touch my dick, nor any character from any game.

There, you just lost your credibility and the validity of your argument. :3 See you later!

 

[BirdBornAsBee]

I'm sorry, are you trying to avoid replying to what I believe is a sound counter-argument to your nitpicking?

Ok ok ok, fine. Sephroth did not touch my dick, nor any character from any game.

There, you just lost your credibility and the validity of your argument. :3 See you later!

So, in order to make any of your argument credible and valid, you have to be touched in the dick by Sephiroth, I guess I just have to call him up and ask for a handjob.

 

[ThrobbingEgo]

I think the distinction should be made between Action-RPGs and Turn Based RPGs, not the West versus Japan. This distinction is more useful, because this is what we're really comparing is:

-A game where you take turns hitting each other.
-An action game with heavy "RPG elements." (This definition can be kind of loose. I've heard people call Bioshock an action-RPG. Personally, I don't think it qualifies.)

There's not really a substantive distinction between turn based RPGs of Western and Japanese origin, nor the action-RPGs, unless you count the art style.

 

[BirdBornAsBee]

You should try playing some of the Shin Megami Tensei games. Nocturne has multiple endings depending of your choices during the game. It's actually more complex and interesting than that, so you should do some research.

Oh, Persona 4 also has moments that your choices affect the storyline.

Hey, I have actually heard a lot of good news about Shin Megami Tensei, if I have the chance I will try it for a bit. But I am not going to try Persona 4, I hate J-pop culture.

Hm, actually, I didn't see much of that in Persona 4. Well, there's a singer in your party, but that's all can think of. Maybe it's because I don't know exactly what is J-Pop culture.
I still recommend Persona. I thought the gameplay was great, the characters are interesting and have interesting inner conflicts, the plot kept me hooked till the end and the soundtrack was very good. I mean, the game is pretty different from your average JRPG.
That's my opinion, at least.

I think he justmeans Japanese culture, because it's a game set in japan with very japanese themes, and it's a spin off of a series based on a book written in japan. (The original Shin Megami Tensei was a book)

No, that's not what I wrote. I meant I am not going to try Persona 4 because I hate J-pop culture.

And thus it makes no sense because the games main narrative is focused around mythology (P3 used Greek Myth at it's core what with Nyx, Thanatos and Orpheus) and P4 uses Japanese Shinto Myth I believe. besides some music how the hell is that pop culture?

Hey man, that's what I heard/read, I will be the judge myself once I have seen more of it.

Forgive my j-pop culture-phobia.

Hey i'm not blaming you, i'll be cracking the game open myself soon enough (just as soon as I finish up P3) but As far as I can gather besides the one J-Pop singer and a few of the soundtracks it's mostly a murder mystery mixed with Japanese Shinto myth.

If you do consider it ever just remember, P3 will never end happily, P4 WILL but you have to ve very specific.

If you want something Less mainstream (Atlus's words were they made Persona to be a mainstream acceptable SMT) then get a regular SMT like Nocture or Kaizou Raidou.

Sad ending?

Oh I love when main character dies at the end! Wtf kind of warning is that? Sad endings are awesome.

well yo get to choose how many people die. just you or the entire world, There is a bad ending and a bitter sweet ending, thats it.

Of course the entire world.

2 entire worlds if possible.

 

[Kelthurin]

I'm sorry, are you trying to avoid replying to what I believe is a sound counter-argument to your nitpicking?

Ok ok ok, fine. Sephroth did not touch my dick, nor any character from any game.

There, you just lost your credibility and the validity of your argument. :3 See you later!

So, in order to make any of your argument credible and valid, you have to be touched in the dick by Sephiroth, I guess I just have to call him up and ask for a handjob.

You could always pretend he's a girl. He's not far from it really.