JRPG: Roleplaying game? Or Statistics-Strategy Micromanagement Game?

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D_987

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BirdBornAsBee said:
I have been re-defining this game genre, JRPG, and this is becoming more and more solid to me after I got Lost Odyssey couple days ago.
Later on in the thread you claim you are discussing the "new" JRPG's - yet Lost Odyssey is designed to be old-school.
 

squid5580

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I am going to offer up a wacky theory here. That JRPGs or WRPGS (or any other game) are not roleplaying. If they were roleplaying you could do whatever you want with your character. You could take over the world or settle down in a shack and have kids. In other words you can take that role and have the freedom to do anything you want. Have them say whatever you want. A tabletop RPG (or even LARP *shudders*) is roleplaying. Video games are just taking your avatar along predetermined paths with predetermined reactions. Otherwise when the General told my character to go on yet another suicide mission I could flip him the bird and go to the nearest bar for a beer in a quest for a piece of tail.
 

sumanoskae

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There are exceptions to almost every rule, but as far as I know that's the majority of them

Edit: damnit that was an accident I was trying to quote someone
 

sumanoskae

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NeutralDrow said:
sumanoskae said:
Yeah, that?s pretty much what JRPG?s are, its not necessarily a bad thing but its true, the definition of an RPG is a game in which you play a role, not simply watching one, KOTOR is an RPG because your actions have a large effect on the storyline
As is, say, Tales of the Abyss, because your actions have a large effect on the storyline.
There are exceptions to almost every rule, but as far as I know that's the majority of them
 

NeutralDrow

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sumanoskae said:
NeutralDrow said:
sumanoskae said:
Yeah, that?s pretty much what JRPG?s are, its not necessarily a bad thing but its true, the definition of an RPG is a game in which you play a role, not simply watching one, KOTOR is an RPG because your actions have a large effect on the storyline
As is, say, Tales of the Abyss, because your actions have a large effect on the storyline.
There are exceptions to almost every rule, but as far as I know that's the majority of them
Shoot, my point was lost. I probably should have chosen a more well-known title (say, Final Fantasy X).
 

PedroSteckecilo

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Even though I like JRPG's...

Cinematic Adventure Game with Roleplaying Elements from Japan is closer to the truth than "RPG" for the majority of titles in the genre.


I don't see this as a BAD thing myself, but truth is truth.

Games like Mass Effect, Baldurs Gate 2, KOTOR and Never Winter Nights 2 are much closer to the Pen and Paper roots of the genre and allow you to "play a role" in that classic DnD sense much better than almost any JRPG does (the only real exceptions being the recent entries in the Persona series).
 

JediMB

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JRPGs can often be thought of as RPGs with pre-defined characters and really stubborn GM/DMs.

Or just the Japanese take on role-playing, as the genre name implies.

Why don't I ever see any rants about how supposedly J-Rock isn't actually Rock?
 

Serben

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To all you JRPG apologists: You are wrong. JRPG's are shit. And the people who like them are closet pederasts. Otherwise they wouldn't be playing games where all the "men" look like 10 year old choir boys. Then there's the fact that the japs are freedom hating fascists (despite having democracy forced on them after WWII) which manifests itself in the complete lack of said freedom in any and all of their games. All Japanese games lack even the smallest ammount of freedom since they don't want their people to do too much critical and independent thinking by forcing them to play games where you never have to think for yourself and where you just do as you're told like a good little fascist.


Further proof of their insanity can be found in their completely warped and freakish sense of reality, where all living things have eyes that take up 75% of their face, eyebrows that float in the air and hair that defies the laws of physics.


The only reason anyone outside of Japan even likes JRPG's is because they've been infected by the wapanese disease. Wapanese is a disease that affects people in the west who are such losers that the only bright spot in their otherwise worthless lives is being dangerously addicted to everything Japanese, wishing they were Japanese and dreaming of one day moving there. The reason for this is because they are so worthless and inadequate that none of their peers in the west want them, so their only hope is to move to Japan where the men have microscopic penises and all the girls look like 10 year old transvestites. So in Japan, even the ugliest and most socially awkward people actually have a chance at getting laid.


Unfortunately for them (and fortunately for the rest of us), wapanese is fatal and causes indirect sterilization of all patients. In its early stages, when the wapanese sufferer is in its early teens, it might simply appear to be a harmless fascination for a whacky foreign culture. But once the wapanese reaches its early 20's and is still going to cosplay parties and hentai/furry conventions, you know it's something much worse. The following symptoms might manifest in the later stages:









Eventually, unless the wapanese manages to actually move to Japan, the burden of having no friends/life/significant other becomes too much, and the wapanese commits suicide with a gun to the mouth since they're too much of a pussy to do it like the Japanese that they love so much, which is to cut their guts out with a sword. During their short and hopelessly pathetic lives, they never procreate, since people who have not been infected with the disease instinctively shun and refuse to mate with wapanese. So to conclude, JRPG's are a blight on human civilization, as is everything about Japanese culture.
 

Nmil-ek

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Is it me or has the fuckwit count on these forums skyrocketed reccently?

Who left the gate open?
 

Serben

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Nmil-ek said:
Is it me or has the fuckwit count on these forums skyrocketed reccently?

Who left the gate open?
Yes, who the hell let all the wapanese in here? Don't they have any furry/pedophilia boards where they can congregate instead?
 
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BirdBornAsBee said:
I have been re-defining this game genre, JRPG, and this is becoming more and more solid to me after I got Lost Odyssey couple days ago.

Not that it is bad, but there is rarely any choice you can make in a JRPG that can directly influence the outcome of the story, the characters often do things that you don't want them to do. They also always force you to take other characters into your party even if you like them or not. How is that... roleplaying when you don't have a choice that influence the story? This is becoming more and more true recently.

This idea hits me when I was playing Fallout (I don't remember which one), the choices I can make in the game just make me feel so immersive, isn't it how a roleplaying game should be? You are able to put yourself in the character's place and act as the character in the game? That is the definition of roleplaying!

In JRPG, you move the characters from one place to another with no dialog option, the only option/choice you can make in a JRPG is the character's equipment and stats, that seems much more like a micromanagement game to me, am I right?

Unless somebody can provide me more convincing argument, I will be calling JRPG SSMG from now on.
Look WRPGs are all about the millions of choices you can make in the game and about building a character in your exact image or whatever image you want basically.

To compare JRPGs to that is very easy JRPGs are linear it's kinda like reading a fantasy novel you can still get into it but you have no control over what the characters do you just drive them forward on their quest.