Judge allows Sony to get IP of anyone who has visited Geohot site.

[shadow skill]

You know at least when the government wanted to be able to get a list of the things you checked out at a library they had a real problem to deal with (Terrorism.) If people concluded correctly that doing that was a stupid way to prevent terrorism; why should people be less concerned or pissed off when a multinational corporation tries to pull a similar stunt all because of something that amounts to a non problem. Xbox 360 is still here, PSP is still here (It didn't do well because the games were not really that great until about midway into the handhelds life.), DS isn't going anywhere, Iphone is still here, etc. So please explain to me how rooting the device actually creates a problem for Sony that is so great that they need to access data that may reveal the identities of every individual who ever looked at a given website? Remember people did not want to allow such things to deal with terrorism.

of course we would not be having this conversation if the judge used had used some common sense and/or looked at the constitution.

 

[Zhukov]

I am amazed and mildly disgusted by the people taking Sony's side in this.

"Take me Sony, take me hard! Would you like me to bend over for you Sony?"

 

[Aeshi]

Because anyone who doesn't worship Hackers as gods are mindless corporation slaves?

 

[Scars Unseen]

What in the fuck? How can people think this is okay? Learn something about the world people, what gives them the right to track what any citizen does on the internet?

What about people who didn't download any cracks, or don't own a PS3? How are they relevant to this case. It doesn't matter what they think they need them for, or what other people say about the amount of information they are getting. They shouldn't have the right to get it, that's the end of it.

People are innocent until proven guilty, and if there is no reasonable suspicion of them committing a crime, then there should be absolutely no case where their privacy is invaded to any degree. Even if Sony has to lose the case, its better that than one person unfairly having their rights taken away. Citizens' rights come before their terms of service or ability to enforce them.

As for the first amendment, it counts under freedom of speech basically. If people get to snoop in on what you're reading, that will affect what you read and what you say.

Fuck sony, I'm glad I never bought a PS3 and I never will.

If you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. That's pretty much my government's new slogan. Didn't you get the memo?

 

[nipsen]

..I visited the site to tell the guy how much of an idiot he is.

But that the judge would actually allow sweeping injunctions like these, without an actual target.. that's terrible. That a democracy actually allows something like that to happen is frightening, for whatever reason it was.

 

[GiantRaven]

I'm confused. Where it does it say that Sony plan to do anything even remotely punish-esque towards the people who simply visited the website.

 

[Expensive Associate]

If you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. That's pretty much my government's new slogan. Didn't you get the memo?

I really wish the people who argue that would post their names, addresses, medical details and list of sexual partners on the internet. After all, they haven't done anything wrong, so why would they need privacy.

 

[Aeshi]

If you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. That's pretty much my government's new slogan. Didn't you get the memo?

I really wish the people who argue that would post their names, addresses, medical details and list of sexual partners on the internet. After all, they haven't done anything wrong, so why would they need privacy.

There's a difference between giving the information to the government and giving information to random people on the internet.

 

[Scars Unseen]

If you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. That's pretty much my government's new slogan. Didn't you get the memo?

I really wish the people who argue that would post their names, addresses, medical details and list of sexual partners on the internet. After all, they haven't done anything wrong, so why would they need privacy.

There's a difference between giving the information to the government and giving information to random people on the internet.

That's true. A random person on the internet is much less likely to abuse that information.

 

[New Troll]

Sony, as a business, is interested in people wishing to do harm to their said business and their consumers. They are after information over a select few individuals whom have no qualms over ruining other people's product or time. Wish there was a much easier solution, but Sony has to do what they can for everyone's sake. Wish their product was less hacker-friendly, but I doubt it would matter much cause hacker's hack; It's what they do. If someone wishes to do something strong enough, they will always find a way.

I hope Sony is able to get the information they need to keep my gaming experience and other areas of my life as fruitful as possible.

 

[New Troll]

If you did nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide. That's pretty much my government's new slogan. Didn't you get the memo?

I really wish the people who argue that would post their names, addresses, medical details and list of sexual partners on the internet. After all, they haven't done anything wrong, so why would they need privacy.

Ryan
Owasso, OK.
Not sure about medical details, back aches a lot and ex can give me a migraine concerning my son. Do have a chipped tooth. Oh, and my feet look rough.
Girl from college who's name escapes me at the moment, Adria my ex-wife, Jamie the love of my life, and Constance my son's mother.

Most this info is in my profile and the rest people if they cared could have easily gotten from my posts. I'm a fairly open guy about anything.

 

[Dogstile]

Sony, as a business, is interested in people wishing to do harm to their said business and their consumers. They are after information over a select few individuals whom have no qualms over ruining other people's product or time. Wish there was a much easier solution, but Sony has to do what they can for everyone's sake. Wish their product was less hacker-friendly, but I doubt it would matter much cause hacker's hack; It's what they do. If someone wishes to do something strong enough, they will always find a way.

I hope Sony is able to get the information they need to keep my gaming experience and other areas of my life as fruitful as possible.

Its not really people wishing to do harm to the system. I mean, first off people have to buy a PS3 to hack it, so they're guaranteed some cash. Secondly, taking away the privacy of thousands of people is going a little over the top.

And i'm willing to bet that most of these hackers are at this point hacking to piss off Sony.

 

[Aeshi]

Its not really people wishing to do harm to the system. I mean, first off people have to buy a PS3 to hack it, so they're guaranteed some cash. Secondly, taking away the privacy of thousands of people is going a little over the top.

And i'm willing to bet that most of these hackers are at this point hacking to piss off Sony.

EDIT: Still, saying "they'll still make some cash" doesn't make it alright. The same could be said by an employer reducing his employees pay (just replace "they'll" with "you'll")

You're probably right about the "hacking/supporting geohot just because I hate Sony" thing though. If this had been the 360 rootkey I'm willing to bet just about all the people supporting him would be demanding geohot be dissected alive without anesthetic.

 

[Dogstile]

Its not really people wishing to do harm to the system. I mean, first off people have to buy a PS3 to hack it, so they're guaranteed some cash. Secondly, taking away the privacy of thousands of people is going a little over the top.

And i'm willing to bet that most of these hackers are at this point hacking to piss off Sony.

Except for the fact that the console is sold at a loss and they need to make money back by having the users buy games (i.e. the ones the hackers pirate)

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news/view/100656-PlayStation-3-System-Sales-No-Longer-a-Money-Pit

Not anymore dude. Now its profiting them.

 

[CCountZero]

I'm with Sony on this one. It must be a real prick to have so many people screwing with the service you worked so hard on, and now they're in a position to work against those people.

You realise that GeoHot provided people with this information because Sony removed features from the PS3?

He's being sued for making good on the PS3's advertised list of features.

He may have done something illegal, but if he's guilty, then Sony damn well is too, and in a MUCH greater degree.

 

[kebab4you]

Isn't this only legal in the US? Won't they have to contact other governments if the IP is outside US?

 

[Aeshi]

You realise that GeoHot provided people with this information because Sony removed features from the PS3?

He's being sued for making good on the PS3's advertised list of features.

He may have done something illegal, but if he's guilty, then Sony damn well is too, and in a MUCH greater degree.

The fact that it'll allow hackers to turn PSN into a cheat-fest is "just a side effect" is it?

 

[Aeshi]

No,if Sony'd kept OtherOS we'd probably be here several months earlier since the Hackers wouldn't have had to waste time getting it working again.