Judge allows Sony to get IP of anyone who has visited Geohot site.
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What are you talking about? that's utter fucking nonsense, they've already assumed the position.Zhukov said:
I wish Sony would get a grip, this entire thing is the equivalent of Sony slipping on a bit of ice, and then flinging their own shit at the people who saw it happen.
Because all of this is simply about Sony being pissed off about the fact someone showed them up.
Exept nobody was actually trying to hack the PS3, up until Sony screwed them over and gave them a reason to.Aeshi said:
We've seen a MASSIVE explosion of information regarding how to get under the skin of the PS3 after Sony started acting like a bunch of ****s.
Yeah. We get these binders full of "requests" about extralegal measures once in a while. "Hey, what about arming random personnel on flights in your country? Surely you don't want the terrorists to win, so do as we say, right?". Or "yeah, you have these people under investigation, but you can't find them guilty fast enough. The rule of law really sucks, you see, and surely you don't want the terrorists to win, so....".kebab4you said:
When it comes to more pedestrian issues, it's been a successful avenue for various businesses to first seek a civil suit for damages relating to the actual case - you know, just seeking a couple of millions to make life miserable for people. And then drop the actual court case, so the underlying issue cannot be resolved, and so they can sue others in the same way in the future.
But yeah. You only have jurisdiction in your own country. Sure thing. Haha. This doesn't have wide-ranging impact at all. Not at all..
Backlash that will never be heard by the majority of gamers.Xzi said:
Backlash that will stay out of the papers because Sony will spin it "Just business as usual."
Copyright infringement cases typically do not make the news (outside of specialty sites like this one) because they're boring to the general public.
Sony knows this, and I know this. Unless the courts had down more injunctions themselves, Sony will walk away largely unscathed.
NEVER count on the general public to take notice of scandal unless it involves a celebrity (the most worthless of stories), a natural disaster (Katrina), "war", politics/polititians, or a combination of those.
As many on this site are quick to point out, historically, that doesn't work for very long.
Once you get the hackers' attention, their ingenuity and persistence will break anything.
And no, this isn't some love-song to these PS3 hackers. I trained as a Computer Security Specialist (which is a form of hacker, yeah), and I'm hitting you with a pragmatic point of view: Whatever can be done in cyberspace, can be undone or bypassed entirely.
Sony's biggest mistake was in removing the Other OS function and earning the wrath of the technical geeks who do this stuff for fun. I can't say that I pity them.
Here's the problem. You're not accusing me of racism because I'm just some guy on the street that owns a PS3. You're accusing me of racism because I went to a friggin' KKK rally. Now, I may or may not agree with burning crosses on the lawns of "certain minorities," but it's a good thing to know who is attending these rallies.tanis1lionheart said:
Not only that, but there's an awful large difference between Sony having a list of IP addresses and the government having a list of people that attend KKK rallies. One is a private corporation that can't really do anything to you except ban your IP address, the other is a government that has and can authorize ridiculous control over you.
Except they're not doing that. This is in regards specifically to Sony's intellectual property rights. The Westboro freaks have no reason, right, or claim to any information regarding pictures of midgets having rough sex with a hermaphrodite dressed in a Catholic school girl outfit. Unless, of course, the pictures are owned by them or they have some legal claim to something in regards to them.
They're not treating their customers as guilty criminals first. They're looking at people who have willfully went to a website that helps people do things to the PS3 that Sony doesn't want people to do. This is a response to something people have done.
Personally, I think this has far more to do with(and I'm quoting from the article here)
That bolded bit is far more helpful to Sony in knowing who has and has not used the information provided by the website to help people hack their PS3. I don't know about the Geohot website, never been, but if he has registration and account information, that can easily be tracked to people who have used the information. I doubt it's all about the IPs.The Article said:
All the people cheering about this stopping hackers seriously need to take a minute and think about this logically. The story about the PS3 being hacked was all over the gaming media, and all of those articles had links to the website. How many people do you think stopped by it just to see what all the fuss was about? For that matter, how many other places on the internet do you think there are to get that same key? The answer to both these questions is " a lot".
I would also like to point out that not everyone who uses these things is pirating games or breaking the law in any way. My PSP, and those of everyone I know, is hacked to hell and I have never played a game on it that I have not legally purchased first. People shouldn't be punished just because they wanted an internet browser that isn't shit or a video player that supports subtitles, and that isn't even mentioning all the great homebrew games people have made. I'm willing to bet that more people hacking the PS3 are pirating games than those hacking the PSP, and I am completely okay with Sony banning the accounts of people they know for certain to be actively running pirated games, but they have no business with this information and going after everyone who stopped by the website out of curiosity (notice they aren't just going after the IPs of the people who actually downloaded the hack) can't possibly help the situation. Why would anyone continue to buy games off the PSN if Sony might ban you and take them all away for no reason? This is exactly the same as the music industry going after random IPs (remember when they tried to sue a guy who didn't even own a computer?) and it's just as bad an idea, not to mention an illegal one.
I would also like to point out that not everyone who uses these things is pirating games or breaking the law in any way. My PSP, and those of everyone I know, is hacked to hell and I have never played a game on it that I have not legally purchased first. People shouldn't be punished just because they wanted an internet browser that isn't shit or a video player that supports subtitles, and that isn't even mentioning all the great homebrew games people have made. I'm willing to bet that more people hacking the PS3 are pirating games than those hacking the PSP, and I am completely okay with Sony banning the accounts of people they know for certain to be actively running pirated games, but they have no business with this information and going after everyone who stopped by the website out of curiosity (notice they aren't just going after the IPs of the people who actually downloaded the hack) can't possibly help the situation. Why would anyone continue to buy games off the PSN if Sony might ban you and take them all away for no reason? This is exactly the same as the music industry going after random IPs (remember when they tried to sue a guy who didn't even own a computer?) and it's just as bad an idea, not to mention an illegal one.
And since when was "doing things to the PS3 that Sony doesn't want people to do" a crime? I didn't lease my PS3 from them and they don't own it anymore once I've payed for it. If I buy a lawnmower, the lawnmower company can't stop me from replay the engine with a different model or even from turning it into a ceiling fan, because it's my lawnmower. Piracy is a crime and can be punished, but this isn't about piracy because they aren't collecting data about people known to have pirated games. This isn't even about copyright infringement because no one is publishing the designs of their proprietary systems, just the access key. What they are doing is attempting to exert control over the private property of millions of individuals. As regards your first point, visiting a website is also not a criminal action. Did you ever think about all the journalists who had to visit the website in order to write about it, or the curious people who wanted to know what all the fuss was about who were linked there from those articles, or even the Sony employing who would have had to investigate it for the company? Are you saying that these people have done something wrong and that Sony, a private corporation, should have the authority to investigate and punish them as if it were a branch of the government?Lazier Than Thou said:
'cos this is where the massive hyperboles belong.dathwampeer said:
Seriously, what the hell is that? Oh no they have some Ip's they now know every single move you make and all about all your stashes of porn!
I would rather have fun games of multi player and not be pissed off by the hackers then have some daft illusion of privacy.