"Just go watch Porn!" (Probably NFSW, duh)

[Amir Kondori]

A lot of people are super prudish and feel uncomfortable about sex, they feel awkward discussing sex, or they think sex is a dirty and shameful thing. This kind of thinking is especially prevalent in America and older generations or younger generations it doesn't matter, this is just part of the culture.

Eventually we'll get past these ways of thinkings and having sexuality in our media won't be viewed as some sort of evil thing. Until then people like you will have to keep making posts about it. Discussion helps.

 

[Ogoid]

All right, so as to contribute an actual on-topic post here...

In Italy, comics from artists such as Guido Crepax, Milo Manara or Paolo Eleuteri Serpieri are considered bona-fide works of art. Now, mind, I'm not Italian, but this is not something I've read about or been told - I've actually been to an elderly couple's house in Florence (we're talking people in their 70s here) - and comics from the aforementioned authors sat on their living room bookshelf, right next to their Renaissance art books; and if you're wondering about the precise content of said comics, just googling their names should give you a very clear idea.

So really, as far as I'm concerned this whole "why don't you just look at porn" comes from a very specific and very restrictive mindset as to what's "proper" and what "isn't" when it comes to media.

 

[Something Amyss]

The real seems fake because its set-up, while the fake seems more real because its less staged and fun.

The stuff that's scripted almost literally to the pixels is less scripted than porn.

WHAT?

 

[Redd the Sock]

My response to that question these days is: have you actually watched porn? Not fapped to it. Sat down and watched it. Yeah, there's a part that does what it is supposed to do, but it's wrapped around some of the worst production values out there. Porn flourishes on the naughtiness of it, to the point a lot ignores titillation and seduction value. We either jump right into the sex, or run though some half assed script with acting only slightly better than the audio (seriously, if I have hear every moan during the act, why can't I make you what they're saying first) or some sketch like a bad Saturday Night Live sketch (or in other words, a normal SNL sketch).

Going elsewhere, I guess it depends on the game or anime (or movie or comic on occasion). Something like Senran Kagura is a bit titillating, but it's also bright, colorful, and often funnier and more entertaining than just watching 2 people (or more) fuck. Something like Moe Chronicle (a dungeon crawler where you catch monster girls for your party like pokemon) is again, colorful and the girls' designed are creative and unique. It isn't fap material, but something meant to look bright and exotic, rather than plate armor or normal clothes. Sometimes it isn't the titillation, but the circumstance, like the humor in any harem anime with a girl not sexually repressed or shy around others that want her to cover up, or an exaggerated realism in Queen's blade that battle damage can and will expose the naughty bits.

Then there's DOAX3 and similar games, that, can truly be counted in that ecchi / porn area, but it offers something porn doesn't: control. In porn or photo shoots, I'm an observer on a passive ride, while in a game I can look at the parts I want when I want to, instead of enjoying a view one minute, and moving to something I don't the next, on top of choosing the girl and activity. There's so much in movies you just have to accept, which may be why I think we've all seena bit of porn that didn't do it for us, but the idea of a game opens a lot of possibilities.

Honestly, I think the question gets asked by people that are more sex-negative than they want to admit to themselves, and the firm line between titillation and "normal" entertainment must be there and very clear so that they can feel sex-positive without having to face a more sex positive (and less repressed) world. They can shuffle the porn off to the side and ignore it, but let it be high profile and/or with everything else, and they go nuts.

 

[Luminous_Umbra]

The real seems fake because its set-up, while the fake seems more real because its less staged and fun.

The stuff that's scripted almost literally to the pixels is less scripted than porn.

WHAT?

I think it's the idea of how obvious it is. I mean, surely you've seen things that you know are scripted, but it doesn't "hit you in the face" with it, if you get what I'm saying?

Yes, both are scripted, but one is blatantly so.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

So really, as far as I'm concerned this whole "why don't you just look at porn" comes from a very specific and very restrictive mindset as to what's "proper" and what "isn't" when it comes to media.

Honestly, I think the question gets asked by people that are more sex-negative than they want to admit to themselves, and the firm line between titillation and "normal" entertainment must be there and very clear so that they can feel sex-positive without having to face a more sex positive (and less repressed) world.

Yes, when confronted by criticism of either oneself or something one likes, it is very typical and tempting to try and cast aspersions upon the source of the criticism. Sure, they're criticizing you, but they're prudes, so it stands to reason. I'd say it's a relatively new cultural phenomenon...IE jump on the whole "participation award" generation slam wagon and pretend that young people need constant approval or their balls drop off...but in reality it's a pretty human thing to do. "Oh, X said a bad thing about me? Well, I'm amazing, so clearly X is stupid." We are, after all, the protagonists in our own life stories.

Personally, I have what qualifies as an extremely liberal and forgiving attitude towards sex. I'm not terribly keen on some of the less savory aspects, particularly where the porn/escort industry tends to overlap with human trafficking...but the concept that I'd be "sex negative", or "have a very specific or restrictive mindset as to what's proper" is...frankly...hilarious. And yet, in spite of this, I think DOAX is a ridiculous joke. I thought the same thing about Quiet and the (rather hilarious) explanations behind her bikini clad attire. I don't CARE, I'm not going to petition the games out of existence, and if I thought such a thing was actually apt to happen I'd probably argue vehemently for their survival...but I think they're fucking ridiculous. And I think listening to people argue about DOAX3 being EVER SO MILDLY more problematic to purchase (IE, you might have to buy something ONLINE, the horror!) as if they were Rosa Parks refusing to give up her seat on the bus to be so fucking ridiculous that I find it difficult to put into words.

It's a titty game. It's stupid. I don't care if people like it or not, we all like something stupid from time to time, but for gods sake just own it. OP is literally stressing out because people on the internet are disrespecting jiggly anime girls playing volleyball. This, apparently, is beyond reproach. I'm speechless.

 

[Ihateregistering1]

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I'm just confused on what exactly is the issue here. Why do you care that random people on the internet don't like what you like? If they like watching Jenna Haze get gang-banged then that's their thing, and if you like watching anime women with cat ears and 38FF breasts then that's your thing.

It doesn't matter what you like, there will always be people who think it's dumb or a waste of time. So what? Unless it's illegal (or immoral, but that's a whole different topic) just ignore them.

 

[Something Amyss]

I think it's the idea of how obvious it is. I mean, surely you've seen things that you know are scripted, but it doesn't "hit you in the face" with it, if you get what I'm saying?

Yes, both are scripted, but one is blatantly so.

It's preeeeetty freaking obvious. At least in DOAX1. I didn't really even feel the need to play that one, but it was late and peer pressure and stuff. I can't rule out that it was radically changed in DOAX2, but I somehow doubt it. Considering the marketing, I REALLY doubt it. But I'm a fair dictator pervert person, so I'll take a look.

Well, here's the intro....

Spoiler: NSFW

I don't think the argument holds up. That's every bit as obvious/blatant/whatever in my book.

Actually, I think a fair bit of the porn I've watched is more subtle.

OP is literally stressing out because people on the internet are disrespecting jiggly anime girls playing volleyball. This, apparently, is beyond reproach. I'm speechless.

Are you saying jiggly anime girls aren't deserving of respect? I didn't think I'd ever see this kind of prejudice from you, Guppy.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

There's a quote from OotS Tarkin that I think fits what the OP is trying to say about porn vs hentai/ecchi: "This is obviously staged, and more to the point, staged poorly."

OP has different tastes, I don't see why he has to be wrong about them :/

 

[springheeljack]

Honestly the only times I would think that is when watching an anime or some videogame and end up having a fuck ton of fan service shoved in my face. I think about the reasons for this and wonder why would they keep shoving it in there when people can just watch porn.

 

[SmallHatLogan]

I initially wrote a long winded response to this but it ended up sounding a bit too creepy and passionate about porn, which isn't what I'm about, so I decided against it. It was more that I was a bit baffled about your experience with internet porn. Instead I'll just address two points here.

I mean, I'm a red-blooded male with access to the Internet. I've seen porn. But I don't really like it. I feel its incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves. Add onto that the women in porn for the most part don't...look very good. Like at all.

I agree, professional stuff often feels so, well, sexless. Like they're just going through the motions. You want anime style stuff? Well there's shit loads of hentai out there. You want real people enjoying themselves? Well there's shitloads of amateur stuff out there (which is what I generally go for).

Add on that unless you want to pirate or torrent them the good stuff has cost that is absolutely ridiculous. AND the sites for porn etc. are extremely skeevy and a little unnerving to say the least.

There are countless streaming sites out there that are functionally the same as youtube, and they have pretty much every fetish available. Finding porn is not difficult.

I'm not saying don't play fanservice games. If that floats your boat then by all means have at it. But your description of internet porn sounds like the state it was in about 10 years ago. Things have changed since then.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

OP has different tastes, I don't see why he has to be wrong about them :/

No one can be "right" or "wrong" about their personal proclivities, especially in the realm of media consumption.

Which begs the question of what the point was in a thread castigating people for being dismissive of a titty volleyball game. Are they wrong for disliking it?

 

[crimson5pheonix]

OP has different tastes, I don't see why he has to be wrong about them :/

No one can be "right" or "wrong" about their personal proclivities, especially in the realm of media consumption.

Which begs the question of what the point was in a thread castigation people for being dismissive of a titty volleyball game. Are they wrong for disliking it?

I'll leave that question to the OP, but I'm wondering why people came in only to say the OP's tastes were bad or that he just didn't know what he was talking about.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

I'll leave that question to the OP, but I'm wondering why people came in only to say the OP's tastes were bad or that he just didn't know what he was talking about.

Rather the inevitable result of entering a public space, throwing down your white glove and loudly declaring that everyone who criticized your tastes was stupid and wrong.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

I'll leave that question to the OP, but I'm wondering why people came in only to say the OP's tastes were bad or that he just didn't know what he was talking about.

Rather the inevitable result of entering a public space, throwing down your white glove and loudly declaring that everyone who criticized your tastes was stupid and wrong.

He got rough, but like an argument I made recently, he attacks the argument. The responses are attacking him.

 

[Recusant]

First thing's first: a bit of respect for porn, please. Let's not delude ourselves into thinking we'd be having this conversation on the world-wide web with blisteringly fast connections on our computers with multi-terabyte hard drives without the porn market driving the demand for them.

I get what you mean, but I find it funny that you've said you find porn with (presumably) real people "incredibly fake" and prefer a video game that bases its titillation around entirely non-existent (i.e. fake) things.

Yeah, that's the reason why I don't really get the OP's complaint.

Complaining that IRL porn is "too fake" seems like a really odd complaint for someone to have when they immediately turn around say they prefer porn of compltely fake people (as in, people who are not real).

Ah, but there's the rub (no pun intended): it's regular porn that isn't real. Now, I will grant you, the actors are flesh and blood humans, rather than ones and zeroes. But move beyond the subjective for a moment and ask yourself: what's more real to you- a physical person you only see visually displayed in sex scenes, most of which have little or no development or story (yes, some porn does; the typical mass-consumed mainstream stuff does not), or a character whose actions you have some degree of control over, who has some story and experience you're familiar with? I'm not personally familiar with the Dead or Alive games, but haven't there been several previous installments? Enough, perhaps, that a person might feel an emotional investment with a given character? Sure, you're never going to smooch any of them, or physical go on a date with character X, but realistically, you're never going to do that with Jenna Jameson, either.

Above and beyond that, sex and its surrounding zone of activities are complicated, difficult, and time-consuming. Are we really so petty that we begrudge people finding a "not quite as good but it'll do" shortuct?

 

[Superbeast]

Well, here's the intro....

Spoiler: NSFW

I don't think the argument holds up. That's every bit as obvious/blatant/whatever in my book.

Oh wow, I'd never seen the intro before. I've seen less in-your-face/"fan-service" hentai (and "normal" porn).

Thinking about it, I have two major problems with the video: 1) The noises the girls make are really weird - I get they're channelling the anime thing but its a turn-off for me; and 2) BOOBS DON'T MOVE LIKE THAT! Its an insult to the sexy glory of human anatomy.

 

[Ogoid]

Yes, when confronted by criticism of either oneself or something one likes, it is very typical and tempting to try and cast aspersions upon the source of the criticism. Sure, they're criticizing you, but they're prudes, so it stands to reason. I'd say it's a relatively new cultural phenomenon...IE jump on the whole "participation award" generation slam wagon and pretend that young people need constant approval or their balls drop off...but in reality it's a pretty human thing to do. "Oh, X said a bad thing about me? Well, I'm amazing, so clearly X is stupid." We are, after all, the protagonists in our own life stories.

Well, I'd consider calling someone a "prude" in response to accusations of hating half the human species over something so phenomenally inconsequential as digital boobies not only a remarkably tame retort but a very understandable assumption as well, but again, maybe that's just me.