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Zeke the Freak

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Aramax said:
Zeke the Freak said:
All people are dicks who want to get ahead in life. You are, I am, the post after this one is, your mother, your father, mine as well. Its human nature to want luxury and to be above other people, to be envied by their peers because it meens theyve been prosperous.
Pessimist much. Just dont go in the street shooting people, kay.
I must say I am fucking flabberghasted at the facts and intellegence showed in your arguements. wow, i honestly am going to save that, just so i can look at it again in future event when i need the undeniable wisdom of "Aramax, the wise one". listen here kid, dont throw me your snide comments, you lazy hippy.
 

Antidamacus

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"Just don't go shooting people"?

Why didn't we think of this advice before?

We've spent all this time convicting murderers when all we had to do was tell them to stop!
 

Aramax

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Kukul said:
I just checked out OP's profile.

Wow, it's sad that a 31 year old man believes in something even a middle school student would call bullshit.

I just can't stretch enough how retarded that idea is. Communism is pretty stupid, but that's debateable and Marx was an intelligent man for sure, while this shit started getting plainly ridiculous as we got from limitless source of energy to robots.

Oh, wait and he's a nurse. That explains a lot.
Learn to personal attack.
 

Zeke the Freak

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Antidamacus said:
"Just don't go shooting people"?

Why didn't we think of this advice before?

We've spent all this time convicting murderers when all we had to do was tell them to stop!
lol smartass.

I think weve officialy kicked this idea in the nads in a violent way, repeatedly.
my appologies for all the anger and swearing and such, not directed towards anyone inparticular, im just very annoyed of people with communistic (and lazy ass hippy) veiws or anyone who wants something for nothing because they dont want to have to DO anything.
 

Aramax

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If you are pessimistic about my suggestion then just find a better solution to all the problems I mentioned at the very beginning of this topic.

Good luck.
 

Antidamacus

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Aramax said:
If you are pessimistic about my suggestion then just find a better solution to all the problems I mentioned at the very beginning of this topic.

Good luck.
I did in one

MONEY
 

Duh

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well, okay i guess, i always thought that there should be a midle term between comunism and capitalism
 

Aramax

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With no money, too, people get greedy and take what the want, not what they need. Human nature may not be inherent but it damn well won't change to "for the good of all" in anything less than many more generations than have existed in the past, oh, ever.
You should really learn about the native Americans. It's embarrassing for everyone when you say things like that.
 

Antidamacus

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Aramax said:
Naeo said:
With no money, too, people get greedy and take what the want, not what they need. Human nature may not be inherent but it damn well won't change to "for the good of all" in anything less than many more generations than have existed in the past, oh, ever.
You should really learn about the native americans. It's embarassing for everyone when you say things like that.
I seem to recall them having wars and trading, things that you've said shouldn't exist.
 

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Rutawitz said:
sounds socialist to me..not that it matters. cmon, do you honestly think the world can be saved?
I sure hope so but you guys are terrific at making it look harder then it really needs to be.
 

Antidamacus

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Aramax said:
Rutawitz said:
sounds socialist to me..not that it matters. cmon, do you honestly think the world can be saved?
I sure hope so but you guys sure make it look harder then it really needs to be.
If only we didn't have to worry about those pesky people and all their foibles and faults.
 

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Antidamacus said:
If only we didn't have to worry about those pesky people and all their foibles and faults.
Foibles... you must be a lot of fun at parties.

=D
 

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Let me just tell you what is wrong with your idea...THIS: War against terror, climatic changes, economic crisis, pharmaceutical companies who create half-cures to maximise profits, school shooting, bridges collapsing, etc... what if there was a simple solution to all those problems, wouldn't it be nice?

It's time for all the leaders of this world to start talking about a solution to all of life threatening problems and agree on the most efficient solution to save as many human lives as possible. This solution has been found.

Sure there is no perfect solution and there will always be people who aim for other things then happiness but this solution is the closest thing to eutopia since capitalism/communism/socialism.

I'm talking about a resource based economy.

Let me try to summarise what a resource based economy would be like;

There is no money. Everyone get everything they need to live as comfortable as possible from the government for free. ( House, car, bed, table, fridge, oven, washer, dryer, computer, phone, iPod... I hope you get the idea )
Everyone who wish to work just need to enlist. You get formation for what you wish to accomplish with your life. In the event of mass laziness, robots will be created for the tasks left that needs to be done. People who dont want to or can't work dont have to.
...
Profits.

There are different opinions about changing all the known economical systems to a Resource-Based Economy but the dominant opinion is not neutrality.

There's the pessimists who think it would ressemble something like this.


There's the optimist (Like me) who think it would ressemble something like this.


In short, people fighting against a resource based economy are assuming that human nature is inherent. People fighting for it are assuming that human nature isn't inherent but the real question would be "Is it wise to keep a monetary economical system under such circumstances?"

In the last great economical depression our modern society litteraly became a shithole where it was less obvious to survive then in the wilderness and many were left to themselves and a good example of this would be the multitude of kids working in coal mines.

All of our current economic systems failled to help us survive as a species a multitude of times... so often that today the whole world is left hungry for change. But the meaning of this "change" is not something that the politicians, the beurocrats or the aristocrats of your society are going to make because those individual dont really care about anything else then their precious money and if they wish to prove me wrong then ask of them to talk publicly about the many benefits of a ressource based economy.

For freedom.
 

Kogarian

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So...if we give all the power, resources, and even our free-will up to the government, they'd take care of us and never become corrupt?

Besides, a currency system itself has been shown to be much easier on everyone. If you're a herdsmen, how would you trade with a vegan for anything unless you have an economic go-between?
 

Aramax

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Kogarian said:
So...if we give all the power, resources, and even our free-will up to the government, they'd take care of us and never become corrupt?

Besides, a currency system itself has been shown to be much easier on everyone. If you're a herdsmen, how would you trade with a vegan for anything unless you have an economic go-between?
Disregard the fact that you don't need to trade in a resource based economy. Everything is free... remember?

Food would be rationalized and then distributed to everyone. You can select whatever you want to eat... it's better then a scarcity system where you go shop for what you need and the rest that nobody buy is just discarded.
 

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Aramax said:
War against terror, climatic changes, economic crisis, pharmaceutical companies who create half-cures to maximise profits, school shooting, bridges collapsing, etc... what if there was a simple solution to all those problems, wouldn't it be nice?

It's time for all the leaders of this world to start talking about a solution to all of life threatening problems and agree on the most efficient solution to save as many human lives as possible. This solution has been found.
What is life worth without freedom?

Sure there is no perfect solution and there will always be people who aim for other things then happiness but this solution is the closest thing to eutopia since capitalism/communism/socialism.
You may believe this but that does not make it so. I think there are better systems around and better systems yet to be defined.

I'm talking about a resource based economy [http://www.thevenusproject.com/resource_eco.htm].

Let me try to summarise what a resource based economy would be like;

[ol]
[li] There is no money. Everyone get everything they need to live as comfortable as possible from the government for free. ( House, car, bed, table, fridge, oven, washer, dryer, computer, phone, iPod... I hope you get the idea )[/li]
Who would pay for all of this? With no money how would the government be able to collect resources to give out? Without renumeration and investment where would all the goods come from? iPods don't grow on trees, they're only so cheap because they are manufactured in China and other low cost countries.

Also, since when were resources infinite? How would you cope with their exhaustion?

[li] Everyone who wish to work just need to enlist. You get formation for what you wish to accomplish with your life. In the event of mass laziness, robots will be created for the tasks left that needs to be done. People who dont want to or can't work dont have to.[/li]
Who would build these Robots? Do you have any idea how much work goes into the design, manuufacturing, AI and alogrithms? Who would maintain the robots!? How would there be any innovation with robots doing anything?

Furthermore, what incentive would there be for anyone to work? If there was no benefit then very few people would work. The result would be a largely sedentary population which would suffer from numerous and serious health problems.


[li] ... [/li]
[li] Profits. [/li]
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What!? You haven't written anything, profit is derived from money so that point is negated by point 1.


There are different opinions about changing all the known economical systems to a Resource-Based Economy but the dominant opinion is not neutrality.

There's the pessimists who think it would ressemble something like this.


There's the optimist (Like me) who think it would ressemble something like this.

In short, people fighting against a resource based economy are assuming that human nature is inherent. People fighting for it are assuming that human nature isn't inherent but the real question would be "Is it wise to keep a monetary economical system under such circumstances?"
This is far too implistic, the arguments against it arewide ranging. There's nothing wrong with money itself, it's human behaviour that's the problem.

In the last great economical depression our modern society litteraly became a shithole where it was less obvious to survive then in the wilderness and many were left to themselves and a good example of this would be the multitude of kids working in coal mines.
What!? So kids working in coal mines shows that economic depression is bad. You do realise that kids stll work in mines, and sweat shops. Many people are still slaves, often sex slaves and abused everyday all because f the persuit of wealth and power. It's not money that's the problem, it's people.

All of our current economic systems failled to help us survive as a species a multitude of times...
Yeah... remember that time we all failed to survive, oh wait, we've never failed to survive because WE'RE ALL STILL HERE!

so often that today the whole world is left hungry for change. But the meaning of this "change" is not something that the politicians, the beurocrats or the aristocrats of your society are going to make because those individual dont really care about anything else then their precious money and if they wish to prove me wrong then ask of them to talk publicly about the many benefits of a ressource based economy.

For freedom.
Of course, governments are only interested in power, the wheels of government are oiled by corruption. None of this would change by switching the economic basis, people have always been horrible to each other from fuedal through to socialist states.

They, like me, don't really see many benefits to a resource based economy because they aren't that great. You talk about freedom but you would prefer a system forced upon us which we may not all want.

If you have a problem with our society then by all means talk about it, write to your elected officials about it, try living by it. Just don't expect everyone to agree with you and don't make the assumption that your ideas will solve all of the world's problems. Too many people believe that they can fix the world by controlling those around them. I'm happy they don't make it into power because they always make things worse.