Kid expelled for saying "Cause that damn Obama" in class

[LeonLethality]

wow eventful school, mines a high school that our vice principal must think is pre school, even the most miniscule of swears (damn stupid crap etc.) she will suspend us for like 3 days for, its just retarted

 

[Seekster]

Ok technically you cant punish someone for BEING a racist because of precedent. You can punish them for DOING something racist.

Also most people who are called racists may not be racists, they are just idiots (like what Yahtzee said about Capcom).

Not all idiots are racist, but all racists are idiots.

 

[Kyouran]

Well, I don't he deserved to be expelled. Besides, I thought you americans had laws for freedom of speech.

Around 1780, that would have been American; now, it's right-wing extremism.

 

[Pimppeter2]

Not for saying that, but maybe for the other reasons

 

[PirateKing]

For the last few years of public school I attended, I never spoke the flag pledge. I did put my hand on my chest though that was just to avoid "what are doing?" or "what aren't you doing?" Someone getting in trouble for not doing that is stupid.
Standing up in the middle of a class and yelling, I can support a punishment for that, but I'm not sure expelling him is the best thing to do.
If he is a racist then I have a deep animosity toward him. But freedom of speech is more important than feelings.

 

[Scolar Visari]

If I were the teacher, I'd have punched him in the mouth for talking in class.

Who cares if he doesn't like Obama? He should be expelled for being a racist ("skin head" often means "racist," anymore.)

You know that not having hair doesn't make you automatically racist. When I got my hair shaved I didn't just jump up and yell "Them damn nigras!!". Regardless, we still don't know all of the facts of the situation. I agree that the teacher should have sat his ass back down forcefully I also agree he has every right to complain about Obama.

No, I'm aware, but the people who identify as skinheads often tend to be racist.
At least, around here.

Good thing I'm not a skinhead. Either way I'm just harassing you for the fun of it.

 

[The Legendary Phoenix]

Expulsion is a little too far. It is definitely worth a detention though, not because it's against the president but because it was disruptive and uncalled for. Even your description of him makes an expulsion ridiculous, and suspension may even be too far.

Nuf said right there on that part of the discussion.

I keep hearing alot of Bush bashing. What did he do wrong exactely? (Actual question)
If you come at me with stuff that is obviously half-assed information I'm going to ignore it. -.- As for Obama lets just see what he's up to. Quite frankly, as a rebublican, I look forward to him failing and if he doesn't well then yay he didn't screw up as massivly as I expected. If he doesn't screw up it is a good thing but if he does *insert hysterical laughter here*.

 

[Glerken]

He wasn't expelled for saying "cause that damn Obama" You said he was constantly a disruption, always getting in trouble, ect. Him disrupting class with a racists remark was just the final straw.
The administration finally came to their senses and expelled the spoiled brat is all.

 

[sheic99]

I feel like pointing out that being a skin head does not make you a racist.

If I were the teacher, I'd have punched him in the mouth for talking in class.

Who cares if he doesn't like Obama? He should be expelled for being a racist ("skin head" often means "racist," anymore.)

You know that not having hair doesn't make you automatically racist. When I got my hair shaved I didn't just jump up and yell "Them damn nigras!!". Regardless, we still don't know all of the facts of the situation. I agree that the teacher should have sat his ass back down forcefully I also agree he has every right to complain about Obama.

Having a shaved head doesn't make you a skin head. Having a shaved head and being racist makes you a skin head. Skinheads are Neo-Nazis. That's what the entire movement was based on Racism.

For that ONE offense, no. For being a fricken' skin head, YES.

Being a skin head doesn't automatically make you a racist.

If he is a racist he shouldn't be banned anyways. It's not like he said anything racist in that sentence.

This could have just been the straw that broke the camels back for all we know. From the op, it seems like he's caused a lot of trouble in the past, and this was at the very beginning of the discussion when he yelled it.

 

[Internet Kraken]

I feel like pointing out that being a skin head does not make you a racist.

If I were the teacher, I'd have punched him in the mouth for talking in class.

Who cares if he doesn't like Obama? He should be expelled for being a racist ("skin head" often means "racist," anymore.)

You know that not having hair doesn't make you automatically racist. When I got my hair shaved I didn't just jump up and yell "Them damn nigras!!". Regardless, we still don't know all of the facts of the situation. I agree that the teacher should have sat his ass back down forcefully I also agree he has every right to complain about Obama.

Having a shaved head doesn't make you a skin head. Having a shaved head and being racist makes you a skin head. Skinheads are Neo-Nazis. That's what the entire movement was based on Racism.

You're wrong. Not all skin heads are Neo-Nazis. Some of them are just anarchists.

 

[oliveira8]

Ha ha I do that in school like every day and yes i think he has every right of freedom of speech (I'm not just saying that because I agree about obama's crappy performance as president)

But the guy been only in office for 3(right?) months trying to clean the mess that the other guy been doing for 8 years!

Everyone blames all of our countries on bush "bush's fault" broken record. Do some research and see what Obama's done so far and what he plans to do.

Did Obama start a pointless War in Iraq?If he does start a pointless war in any part of the world you can say he royally screwed up.

But thats not the point Obama just started his job and right now he has to clean the other guys mess, which seems that will take awhile.

 

[jboking]

Even if this case did fall under freedom of speech, you must realize he was given the freedom to say what he said. The teacher didn't stop him. The point to be made is that his rights were not impeded, he just experienced the consequence of his actions. After all, even if you are expressing a right provided by the government, there are still consequences for what you do while expressing that right.

 

[Cortheya]

Ha ha I do that in school like every day and yes i think he has every right of freedom of speech (I'm not just saying that because I agree about obama's crappy performance as president)

But the guy been only in office for 3(right?) months trying to clean the mess that the other guy been doing for 8 years!

Everyone blames all of our countries on bush "bush's fault" broken record. Do some research and see what Obama's done so far and what he plans to do.

Did Obama start a pointless War in Iraq?If he does start a pointless war in any part of the world you can say he royally screwed up.

But thats not the point Obama just started his job and right now he has to clean the other guys mess, which seems that will take awhile.

Is Bush creating a "Youth Corps" thing. Open your eyes. Look at what he's doing

 

[sheic99]

I feel like pointing out that being a skin head does not make you a racist.

If I were the teacher, I'd have punched him in the mouth for talking in class.

Who cares if he doesn't like Obama? He should be expelled for being a racist ("skin head" often means "racist," anymore.)

You know that not having hair doesn't make you automatically racist. When I got my hair shaved I didn't just jump up and yell "Them damn nigras!!". Regardless, we still don't know all of the facts of the situation. I agree that the teacher should have sat his ass back down forcefully I also agree he has every right to complain about Obama.

Having a shaved head doesn't make you a skin head. Having a shaved head and being racist makes you a skin head. Skinheads are Neo-Nazis. That's what the entire movement was based on Racism.

You're wrong. Not all skin heads are Neo-Nazis. Some of them are just anarchists.

It was a racists, movement the only ones that aren't racist are posers. They may not all be Neo-Nazis, but it came from a group of racists that grew much larger.

 

[Scolar Visari]

Good thing I'm not a skinhead. Either way I'm just harassing you for the fun of it.

Harrassing tired people who tend to lean towards violence to solve problems is BRILLIANCE.
Actually, read that without sarcasm, because you're doing it over the internet, and I can't hurt you here.

Physically.

I'd also like to mention I'm ordering my CMMG flash suppresser with carbide teeth and standoff device. So bring it on bud I'll tactically breach all your windows.

 

[GyroCaptain]

Libel/slander is not protected by the First Ammendment (I'm assuming you're American). And even if it was, he could have been expelled for disrupting the educational process.

Maybe this is just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Against a public figure, he could say that Obama sold all the Jews to space aliens and get away with it if he could be qualified as believing it, since libel law is primarily extant to cover businesses and private individuals from being condemned at the court of public opinion for having enemies. There are huge amounts of case law and actual law governing provisos on public figures. It's probably listed in school policy in one way or another that disruptive acts are themselves actionable, but I've been in a class featuring a militant feminist accusing Bush of working with the Illuminati and the Bilderburg Group who got away without any sort of sanction. On the face of it, this appears to be a clear cut case of a disciplinary board with a God complex and (I hate to say it) fairly bog-standard left-leaning views. Problem kid, fine. Expelling him for a short outburst in class when political in nature? Not good. Even if justified, it makes the school look bad.