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Kaiser Jon said:
The music is ehhhhhh as well. Actually I think I'm giving the soundtrack too much credit. It makes me want to pull my teeth out, but that's just my opinion.
Have you heard Hikari? Sanctuary? Passion - after the battle? Even bloody Dearly Beloved - Reprise is great! Honestly though, the music can be a bit annoying at times, but the stuff right at the start and end of each game, and especially the cutscene music, is always pretty good. I absolutely love it.

As for the game itself, each to his own. If you've played it and don't like it, or seen a friend play and don't like it, then that's up to you. I don't much like FIFA games (then again, who does?), so I don't play them. I personally love anything Kingdom Hearts or Final Fantasy, but then, a lot of people don't. It's no big deal.
 

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Kaiser Jon said:
Why do people love Kingdom Hearts so much???

I don't think I'll ever understand it... Well I get that the game will always win the anime nerd vote right out of the gate, but seriously... it's so emo, and it has Disney characters! How do you take a game with Mickey Mouse in it seriously?

The music is ehhhhhh as well. Actually I think I'm giving the soundtrack too much credit. It makes me want to pull my teeth out, [HEADING=1]but that's just my opinion[/HEADING].
Congratulations, you ended your own thread before it even began. I'll say this slowly,

People, (thats all those other folks outside your house)
Have, (as in they honestly possess it.)
Different, (as in not the same as yours)
Opinions. (things they hold true, but don't have any mathematical truth.)

The question isn't "Why do people love ___________ so much???", the question is, "why do people have different opinions than me???"

So is there a rhyme or reason? Hell no. As soon as you delve into someone else's mind, all bets are off. You don't get to ask why, you just have to accept it. Or you could go picket something like the Westboro Baptist Church, your choice.
Meh! You just said everything I was planning to say.
That's what happends when you're slow at posting... T.T

Aham, now, there's not much left for me to say. Asking why people love something is nearly the same as asking why you believe in something. Most of the answers will simply have no strong reason or no reason at all.

Some people like it, others doesn't. It's simple as that.
 

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shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.
emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.
That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!
 

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Let's see. Why do I like it?

We could begin with the fun of the simple gameplay, going around bashing enemies with attacks and abilities that are very well integrated into only a few buttons.

The interesting settings and supporting character, many of which are familiar and nostalgic, so the game doesn't have to go into details about the setting and backgrounds of the characters.

And it could be the interesting plot of a boy that has lost his friends, and the struggle of trying to find them again in unfamiliar worlds. One lost and one taken by the darkness. To Sora, Riku and Kairi are his world and he is determined to fight for all the worlds in the hope that he will be reunited with his best friends. Sora is a very easy character to empathise with. He's outgoing, energetic, friendly, brave, and loyal. What many would consider a very real personality. Mix that with the comedic characters of Donald and Goofy, and you have a team that's fun to play with.

Then you have the growing plot that surrounds the origins of the Heartless and then the Nobodies and Sora's struggles against both trying to bring peace back to the worlds. It's a simple good vs evil plot, following the classic literature format of a hero and his quest.

The obvious theme here is simplicity. It's not the usual Final Fantasy overdeveloped plot with sudden plot twists. The story unfolds steadily and doesn't try to redefine the plot by changing the rules. The bad guys stay the bad guys and you watch as the story develops to the climax of a final boss. The Disney characters are familiar, so you already know them. The Square characters are represented very quickly, so you know the personalities of each of them.

Sora is an average, energetic boy that wants to prove himself to Riku and has a crush on Kairi. Kairi is your average best friend girl, and acts as the anchor for the two rival boys. And Riku wants to protect both of them, though is conflicted knowing that Sora will be better than him one day. You get that before the heartless even show up!

So all you have to do is just sit back and enjoy the game. If you can't, go play Halo or something. Maybe its story is easier to take in, since you get to be a big tough guy that kill stuff.
 

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canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.
emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.
That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!
Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?
 

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Kingdom hearts was a trip back down to the innocent days of my childhood, whilst throwing in a dark storyline and a few hotties to appeal to the adult side of me.
 

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Jonci said:
canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.
emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.
That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!
Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?
They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.
 

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canadamus_prime said:
Jonci said:
canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.
emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.
That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!
Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?
They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.
seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?
 

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shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
Jonci said:
canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.
emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.
That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!
Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?
They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.
seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?
I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.
 

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i personally didnt like the story i just liked the gameplay, and the music seemed pretty good to me, if music makes you want to pull your teeth out youve got serious problems and should seek professional help, as for it being emo i dont understand what your saying i didnt see anyone sliting their wrists or any screamo playing in the backround so wtf? just because the charicters show emotion doesent make them emo,
 

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I just like the gameplay.

I have fun beating the crap out of stuff with a oversize key with Dondald Duck and Goofy
 

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canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
Jonci said:
canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.
emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.
That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!
Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?
They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.
seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?
I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.
you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation
 

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shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
Jonci said:
canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.
emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.
That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!
Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?
They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.
seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?
I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.
you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation
All of them?
Because he's run around across dozens of world slaughtering huge fuckoff monsters with narry a backwards glance?

You're not impressing anyone by the way. Being able to bottle up your emotions so no one ever sees them isn't a huge thing to be proud of and in general makes for terrible storytelling because your characters come across as unemotional twatbags with the depth of a stick all in the name of 'appearing not like a pussy' (whatever that means).
 

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Amnestic said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
Jonci said:
canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.
emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.
That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!
Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?
They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.
seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?
I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.
you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation
All of them?
Because he's run around across dozens of world slaughtering huge fuckoff monsters with narry a backwards glance?

You're not impressing anyone by the way. Being able to bottle up your emotions so no one ever sees them isn't a huge thing to be proud of and in general makes for terrible storytelling because your characters come across as unemotional twatbags with the depth of a stick all in the name of 'appearing not like a pussy' (whatever that means).
theres a difference between bottling emotions and being able to manage them. bottling your emotions means you show none whatsoever until you have a nervous breakdown. managing your emotions means you can control yourself rather then let your emotions get the best of you. by the way i have no idea where you live at, cause when i was 14, i never saw any guys my age cry, outside of a funeral. i saw fear, i saw anger, i saw lots of emotions but crying just cause you hadn't seen a friend in a long time and didnt know if they were alive or dead and you just went through some crap yourself? not a chance. hell i remember running across a friend of mine that i thought killed himself and the first thing that ran through my mind was if he had the 20$ he owed me. but as i stated before, im from an older generation watching the nuts drop off of this generation.
 

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shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
Jonci said:
canadamus_prime said:
shadowstriker86 said:
canadamus_prime said:
With all due respect, what the hell are you talking about? There's nothing "emo" (Damn I HATE that word) about Kingdom Hearts. I don't know where you get that from.
As for why I enjoyed it, well I thought it had a very surprisingly deep story while at the same time getting in touch with that little kid inside me.
emo = sora crying when he sees riku in xenahort form. enough said.
That's not emo, that's called being human you nob! Geez the slightest displays of emotion do not make a character emo!
Seriously. It seems you can't have a person act like anything but a robot without being called "emo" these days. Cloud tries to hide his emotions and is "emo". Sora cries seeing his best friend, he has been looking for, after over a year and is "emo". Where do people draw the damn line?
They can't even to that, because emotionless robot characters are condemned as boring, uninteresting, and unable to connect with. There's no way to win, unless your character is an overly masculine shithouse that sweats testosterone, shits bullets, has unfeasibly huge shoulders, and an extremely tiny penis that he needs to compensate for with a gun bigger than the turret off a tank.
seriously do i have to explain everything? oy. 1st, yes the situation is emo because he cries like a pansy when he sees his friend and NOT the chick he (supposedly) has a crush on. 2nd, a person doesnt have to be a robot and emotionless to be considered interesting. I forgot that i live in an era where bad writing and flat characters are considered to be good story elements. Im not gonna turn this into like a massivly long text wall, but i'll give the best example i can come up with, Gran Torino. The entire movie Walt (Clint Eastwood's character) is a pissed off and bitter old guy. Throughout the whole movie he learns to not be such a dick and befriends the kid from next door and teaches him how to be a man. It isn't until 3/4 into the movie that something really messed up happens that sends him into a rage bender, and when he finishes, he barely lets a tear trickle. Good Writing + Character Development + Depth = Good Story. Flat characters + Bad writing = shitty story. You see where im goin with this?
I felt the scene was perfectly believable and NOT emo (I seriously want the punch the next person who uses that word). At the end of the first game, Sora knew Kairi was safe, but Riku's status was less certain, plus he's now bound in form of the villain from the last game; AND Sora's only like 13/14 so him getting a little choked up is not all that hard to believe.
Also your description of what you consider good character development only proves my point.
you're kidding right? what 13/14 yr old boy cries like that? or rather why would you consider sora not being a pussy? unless if riku got shot up like that guy from the first godfather movie and his heart exploded out of his chest at the same time he told him that he has pancreatic cancer just as he dies right in front of him, then MAYBE he's allowed to cry without lookin like a total pussy. But then i always forget that i grew up in a place where you only cried for 30 seconds at a funeral at most and then spent the rest of the time reliving memories and getting over it. But as i said, im from an older generation watchin everyones nuts fall off of this generation

Something tells me "you're already dead" has an entirely different meaning in your own case.