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Axolotl

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MisterShine said:
I just don't get this rabid hatred of the guy, I really don't. Can someone explain it to me with sources please?
Really? You don't know why people hate Bobby Kotick?

It's because he's evil. Not evil like EA but openly evil. He's like the sort of caracture CEO from bad action movies. For additional links http://www.bingegamer.net/2009/bobby-kotick-is-the-devil/
http://www.geeks.co.uk/7282-activision’s-bobby-kotick-hates-developers-innovation-cheap-games-you
Those are 2 of the first results that come from googleing his name. In addition look upp what happened to Infinity Ward a couple of months ago.

That's just of the top of my head, there's plenty more.
 

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Got a couple questions for ya Bobby.

1. If 60% of people are on Live because of COD why are you putting out MP games like Singularity? And then encourage people to play it for hundreds of hours to get all the trophies or achievements.

2. Is this why you are alwys begging for money like a hobo at a subway station? Because you spend all of your money competing against your own company?
 

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pretentiousname01 said:
15 dollars for 3 new maps.

No new other type of dlc, weapons, perks, etc.
You're mad because he's a capitalist?

Axolotl said:
Really? You don't know why people hate Bobby Kotick?

It's because he's evil. Not evil like EA but openly evil. He's like the sort of caracture CEO from bad action movies. For additional links http://www.bingegamer.net/2009/bobby-kotick-is-the-devil/

http://www.geeks.co.uk/7282-activision’s-bobby-kotick-hates-developers-innovation-cheap-games-you
So he's using his rights to sue for what he may or may not rightfully have a part to? Again, he's a businessman, he wants games to sell well, not necessarily what us "gamers" would consider to be good. And regarding his comments to the PS3: He was just stating the facts, that it is harder to develop for and isn't reaching a very wide audience, and that if that trend continues he wouldn't be able to justify the expenses.

Axolotl said:
In addition look upp what happened to Infinity Ward a couple of months ago.
We have no idea what happened at Infinity Ward, we know what the two sides are saying about each other. Lets wait for the actual evidence to hit the courtrooms and let the judge decide who was the bad guy. Or what is more probably, who was the bad guy and who was the moderately worse guy.

From everything I've seen others say, on this site and others, is they don't like the fact that he is in this to make money. That's fine. Lots of people still enjoy watching people play sports who only do it because they get paid, it's in every section of the entertainment industry. He in fact has absolutely no responsibility to make games that we like, just games that sell well. And if they DO sell well, then obviously some people like them, so what kind of evil is he guilty of here? Sure, he's not at all supporting creativity in games and to gamers like those of us on the escapist, that kinda sucks for us. But, Activision ain't the only publisher in town, we have plenty other outlets for our kind of games.

Disliking the business-minded attitude? Not appreciating the carbon-copy drivel his company releases? That's fine, but lets not call him the Anti-Christ or anything.
 

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Axolotl said:
What happened to Kotick anyway? Why is he like this? Did he just wake up one day and think "I'm going to become an evil CEO like the ones on TV!". Seriously, why does he act like this? Even EA pretends not to be evil.
No hell he is is probably worse then FOX executives at this point. He is also one of the reasons I refuse to buy Activision/Blizzard games until he quites.
 

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MisterShine said:
pretentiousname01 said:
15 dollars for 3 new maps.

No new other type of dlc, weapons, perks, etc.
You're mad because he's a capitalist?
Oh I didn't buy that trash. In fact, I haven't had my copy since I lent it to my brother in December.

Exploiting people with low quality products, for above standard pricing makes you a capitalist, and well an evil prick.
 

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MisterShine said:
As I said, that's just stuff I remember or found as the first results from a google search. Now here's a direct quote from the man himself
"The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games."
This isn't taken out of context or anything.
Another quote from him when asked why he cancelled various games vivendi games after the merger.
Kotick responded not by addressing any of the games by name, but by talking about Activision's publishing philosophy. The games Activision Blizzard didn't pick up, he said, "don't have the potential to be exploited every year on every platform with clear sequel potential and have the potential to become $100 million dollar franchises. ... I think, generally, our strategy has been to focus... on the products that have those attributes and characteristics, the products that we know [that] if we release them today, we'll be working on them 10 years from now."
That's his buisness stragtegy, to milk or as he says "exploit" a few select franchises for decades.

This mans stated goals are to kill fun and exploit things. Do see why I think he's evil?
 

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So wait. Kotick wants XBL to be free so that he can charge people instead? I know business is chiefly about money but he doesn't have to be a complete dick about it. Activision are wondering why they have such a bad image lately? They should look at the nameplate on the CEO's door; therein lies their* main problem.

*Edited: Wrong word.
 

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M$ sells it consoles at a loss and has to make up for it through other means, just like Sony.
Xbox live is just one of those revenues.

This will never go away. Activision won't just get a nice gaming platform for free, nomatter how hard they cry.
My thoughts on this also.
"Bohoo, give us the financials of our games on XBox" -Activision,
"The hell we will. If you don't like this, don't make games on our platforms" -XBox.
 

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I bought my Xbox to play games, therefore all the developers should get the money?

Microsoft provides the service, Kotic is an ass.
 

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pretentiousname01 said:
MisterShine said:
You're mad because he's a capitalist?
Oh I didn't buy that trash. In fact, I haven't had my copy since I lent it to my brother in December.

Exploiting people with low quality products, for above standard pricing makes you a capitalist, and well an evil prick.
Exploiting? Did the info on the DLC anywhere say that the pack was anything other than it was? Did the ads lie at all about its contents? No. Everybody knew, or who spent 2 seconds finding out, knew that it was 4 or 5 maps or whatever, and they chose to pay the asking price for it. There's nothing wrong with that, he is charging what the market will bear, and for MW2, it will bear a lot. The entire world is pretty much founded on this ideal.


Axolotl said:
Now here's a direct quote from the man himself
"The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games."
This isn't taken out of context or anything.
He wants to take the fun out of making a video game? Again, I don't see a problem here. Most jobs aren't fun, and jobs that ARE fun tend to be unprofessional, and unprofessional jobs lead to shitty products. Unless there's some data available that shows the more fun the workers have in making video games, the higher the quality/sales of the game are? In which case Bob and I will shut it.


Axolotl said:
he said, "don't have the potential to be exploited every year on every platform with clear sequel potential and have the potential to become $100 million dollar franchises. ... I think, generally, our strategy has been to focus... on the products that have those attributes and characteristics, the products that we know [that] if we release them today, we'll be working on them 10 years from now."That's his buisness stragtegy, to milk or as he says "exploit" a few select franchises for decades.

This mans stated goals are to kill fun and exploit things. Do see why I think he's evil?
Again we return to the capitalism argument. He wants to make money, he wants to make products that consumers want to.. er, consume. If his theory that producing more and more sequals of the same IP's will make more money turns out to be false, I'm certain he'll change the strategy of the business to suit the market, i.e., to make more creative and different games. However, time and time again gamers at large have shown this not to be the case.

Remember the good ol' days when EA was the Big Bad of gaming, constantly turning out sequals and treating their workers like shit? Then they started taking more chances with new titles and ideas, and started being nice? Yeah, they started losing a shit ton of money after doing that, and only now are starting to pull themselves out of it. Like it or not, the gaming industry is just that, an industry, who offer products and services to the market. He thinks that the above tactics will work, and as long as he doesn't abuse any laws or employees, I don't think any of us have the right to pretend he's Darth Sidious or something.


Also I'd just like to state for the record, if you had told me yesterday I'd be putting effort into defending Bobby Kotick, I would've laughed you out of the room. Just sayin'.
 

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lostzombies.com said:
Not to mention call of duty as we know it is effectively over due to IW's demise. Maybe he doesn't realise the million of people who flocked to COD when MW1 came out will simply flock to the next big title be it halo or something new.
Yeah, the cow has effectively been milked to the point where the farmers don't even recognize it anymore. So many people played the latest but how many of those just traded it right in after they realized what a broken pile of shit the MP was. I'm certain that IW feels bad about what they produced and that's largely why they're parting ways. So they can feel proud about what they do as a company again.
 

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M$ sells it consoles at a loss and has to make up for it through other means, just like Sony.
Xbox live is just one of those revenues.

This will never go away. Activision won't just get a nice gaming platform for free, nomatter how hard they cry.
Could not have said it better my self.
It's because of corporate assholes like him that the gaming industry is suffering losses... by that i mean lack of quality games.
 

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MiracleOfSound said:
Activision will release a games console in 3-4 years from now.

Watch this space.
I totally think that you're right on that one. It's not an impossibility and that scares me, allot. Especially if you consider how many people would buy it.
So if they do make on, I'll blame you!
 

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Uhh he could, you know, just do that on PC. Not that anyone would like to pay him for it but I'm sure people would. As for the PS3 price drop... he didn't have to mention it for it to happen, Sony obviously doesn't want to lose money on their console so they really had no choice but to redesign it to cost them less.

Just wait, there's going to be a 4th console on the market... The ActiBox! lol
 

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MisterShine said:
If killing fun and cancelling games because he can't exploit them aren't enough for you. How about killing Troika by witholding profits from Bloodlines? As when Bloodlines was released Activision did't let Troika have any of the money from it because they knew that Troika would collapse without it, which it did.

Does that not strike you as evil?

It's not that Activision stand out that much, game publishingt companies are as a rule evil. But it's the fact that Kotick is so open about his eilness. He kills companies he talks about how he wants to destroy fun, he hires thugs to intimidate people. Thats what sets him apart from the others, he's so blatent about it.
 

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Cody211282 said:
Axolotl said:
What happened to Kotick anyway? Why is he like this? Did he just wake up one day and think "I'm going to become an evil CEO like the ones on TV!". Seriously, why does he act like this? Even EA pretends not to be evil.
No hell he is is probably worse then FOX executives at this point. He is also one of the reasons I refuse to buy Activision/Blizzard games until he quites.
I'm fine with Blizzard games. They maintain a high quality and they take their time with production... *COUGH* 12 YEARS*COUGH *
But the fact that Activission is behind it buggers me allot. With that said, let's plot his assassination.
 

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slipknot4 said:
Cody211282 said:
Axolotl said:
What happened to Kotick anyway? Why is he like this? Did he just wake up one day and think "I'm going to become an evil CEO like the ones on TV!". Seriously, why does he act like this? Even EA pretends not to be evil.
No hell he is is probably worse then FOX executives at this point. He is also one of the reasons I refuse to buy Activision/Blizzard games until he quites.
I'm fine with Blizzard games. They maintain a high quality and they take their time with production... *COUGH* 12 YEARS*COUGH *
But the fact that Activission is behind it buggers me allot. With that said, let's plot his assassination.
I don't care if the guy keeps living, I'm just not going to give him a dime of my own money or play any of his games, and that goes for blizzard as well because he owns them.
 

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Axolotl said:
If killing fun and cancelling games because he can't exploit them aren't enough for you. How about killing Troika by witholding profits from Bloodlines? As when Bloodlines was released Activision did't let Troika have any of the money from it because they knew that Troika would collapse without it, which it did.

Does that not strike you as evil?
Well, now you're just trying to exploit my feelings for Bloodlines and Troika in general, and that's just playing dirty sir. And I suppose the question to ask is "Would Kotick have allowed Black Isle to make Planescape?", the answer to which is a resounding no.


Axolotl said:
He kills companies he talks about how he wants to destroy fun, he hires thugs to intimidate people. Thats what sets him apart from the others, he's so blatent about it.
These are some pretty serious accusations, citation needed here.

Also, he said he wanted to destroy the fun in MAKING games. Not playing them, or you know, fun in general as your post seems to imply. I answered that in my previous post.