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Not gonna lie, having the chance to choose my gender highly increases the chances of me playing the game, especially if it's not a platformer or a puzzle.

Played my first fire emblem game because of it, and if the rest have as great a storyline and characters I'm going to go and get the others any way possible.
 

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Vault101 said:
TheDoctor455 said:
As for RPGs... unless there's a specific role-playing reason for me to play one gender over the other... I just flip a coin. Example of a role-playing reason: I only play New Vegas with a female character because I love the irony of a woman dealing death to Caesar's Legion (bonus points for doing him in with a knife). Seriously, the Legion is my most hated faction in that game, closely followed by the Brotherhood of Steel because they keep killing off the Followers of the Apocalypse. Pricks.
I didnt know the brotherhood were at odds with the followers...

but yeah I really HATE the legion and everything they stand for, not only does cearsar have some backwards fucked up veiws on the world but he's a fucking hypocrite....

it did make playing as a woman all the more satidfying...I kind of wish though more attention was brought to your gender
Yeah - about that whole Caesar's legion thing - oy! My fiancé is a trophy hound sometimes and he doesn't have patience/playtime for open world stuff too much so he's always trying to get me to side with Legion and I'm always telling him that makes ZERO sense for a chick to side with a group that enslaves women... and lol yeah. We go round and round on it.
 

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I admit I may have spazzed out there more than nesscary....however..

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And this is the problem. Instead of actually having an earnest discussion treating me as an equal you spend the entire time making me out to be some sort of villain which I really do find offensive.
drop the hyperbole....just because I imply that there are certain things you may not understand due to where or coming from...or imply that your misguided at best does not mean I think your a bad person or a bogeyman

[quote/]Especially given the fact that so far I'm the only one who actually has asked questions back at the OP to help her find out if her feelings is a problem or something just self manufactured. In other words, not actually a problem.[/quote]
and this right here is our issue

your eather misunderstanding the OP's position or you honestly belive there is no issue in the variety of charachters in games

she is not having some kind of cirsis..what she is feeling (and what I imagine many people have felt regardless of gender) is NORMAL

its like when you watch enough movies you can begin to pick out the plots, you begin to notice the bad ones...in this case when you play enough games as a boring protagonist (note I said boring and not male) then you get kind of sick of it and crave somthing more

also when you are female and you consume alot of media....you start to notice the dissonance between male and female charachters....and it starts to bug you <-this bit right here is what I suspected you don't get

[quote/]I keep trying to have these honest conversations and try to contribute but it's really hard to actually keep posting constructive posts to help my fellow escapists when at the end of the day I'm made out into a villain and not seen as what I really am. At the end of the day just another hobbyist of video games.[/quote]
that right there looks like your not ackoweleging counter arguments and jumping on the victim train, and constructive? well one thing you can try to do is make your points more clear and not try and drown us in walls of text

[quote/]This is why most discussion here stops being constructive. Instead of asking questions back to try and bring some clarity it is more often than not that a fellow escapist would rather infer their own emotions into what they read and respond with this destructive attitude preventing any sort of actual constructive conversation from happening.[/quote]"contructive" does not mean that same as "people agreeing with me"

[quote/]It stops being about gaining an understanding of your fellow man and more about how one's ideology is more important than anyone else who shares the hobby of video games.[/quote]
IT WOULD JUST BE BETTER IF EVERYONE AGREE WITH MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

thats what I'm reading there
 

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As a white, brown-haired man, I shouldn't find much to complain about for PCs in games. And yet, I still feel a little gimped every time I'm rolling around as the shortest dude on the crew. Can anyone remind me why my human male Warden is noticably shorter than Alistair?

That said, if a game makes my digital self have darker skin pigments, thinner hair, female genitalia or whatever, I don't really mind. As long as I'm tall, dammit!
 

Vault101

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Cheesepower5 said:
As a white, brown-haired man, I shouldn't find much to complain about for PCs in games. And yet, I still feel a little gimped every time I'm rolling around as the shortest dude on the crew. Can anyone remind me why my human male Warden is noticably shorter than Alistair?
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huh...thats interesting
usually its the other way round...female shepard and the female boss from saints row are noticibly tall (for obvious reasons)

mabye its a similar thing there
 

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I'll admit that open world games that don't give me the option of playing through as a female character are less appealing to me. I can still be enticed into playing a game with a male-protagonist, but games that have female protagonists do tend to interest me more, because they are considerably rarer. Really looking forward to Remember Me, and the Anima game.


Consider Borderlands, I like that game, but why can't I create my own character? It's not as though the vault hunters in their current iterations are that central to the plot. It kinda sucks that you only get 1 option if you want to play a girl.(DLC doesn't count)
 

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Vault101 said:
Cheesepower5 said:
As a white, brown-haired man, I shouldn't find much to complain about for PCs in games. And yet, I still feel a little gimped every time I'm rolling around as the shortest dude on the crew. Can anyone remind me why my human male Warden is noticably shorter than Alistair?
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huh...thats interesting
usually its the other way round...female shepard and the female boss from saints row are noticibly tall (for obvious reasons)

mabye its a similar thing there
I recall having a height slider in Saint's Row II (I actually made my guy exactly like me or so I thought), you sure you didn't just make your gal really tall in The Third?

It's mostly JRPGs where that happens like the Hero compared to Angelo in Dragon Quest VIII or the MC in Persona 3. I love the games to death, but it's always like "I'm supposed to identify with this squirt!?" The Nord and Breton males also seemed shorter than their female counterparts, oddly enough. Humans of either gender in WoW, I thought, were too short compared to other races as well.

I'm kind of losing the point here... I guess I'm saying, while I enjoy branching out into whatever gender (or lack thereof)in games, I can still relate to being turned off by some ultimately pointless aesthetic or plot difference, and not completely understanding why. And I really don't blame you or TC at all, you probably have to go looking to find many games with female protagonists as it is, and if you're mostly into shooters or something, well...
 

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It usually does turn me off of a game when I do not have the option of a female protagonist, especially in cases such as The Witcher and..... *retch* God of War.

Sometimes I can manage to wade through it if the story and gameplay are good enough, but that occurs rarely if at all.
 

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To the women contributing to this thread that self-identify as feminists: I noticed some mentions of Tomb Raider. Does the sexualization of female protagonists in video games, no matter how badass, turn anyone off?

There has been much use of the term "torture porn" in regards to the new Tomb Raider, and even though she doesn't have triple D polygon breasts in the reboot like the old ones, some of the camera angles and situations in the game have seemed a little "in bad taste" to people I have talked to.

Some games like Bayonetta sexualize the protagonist sort of ironically, in spite of itself, since that game is very over the top and downright goofy at times.

A good example of a strong playable female protagonist who is attractive but not really sexualized at all in my opinion is Lightning from FFXIII. She is strictly no nonsense and is all about the ass-kicking business and does it well.

Thoughts on any of this?
 

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Heck, I'm a guy and if I have a choice I play a female character, even if it's purely cosmetic. It's more aesthetically appealing and in RPGs gives a different perspective if they are well written. I played The Longest Journey and Dreamfall just recently, and April Ryan from TLJ has become my alltime favourite character in a video game. Most characters, female or not, are living power fantasies. I'm not one to not like a "cool" or "badass" character, but it's just most of them are like this, and they get no development. And I actually haven't played anything newer than 2008 and still feel like this because even old games are full of such tropes. Zoe Castillo didn't get that much development either, but was instantly more likeable than most characters I've seen in gameplay videos form recnt games. That's why I instantly pledged $28 for the Torment Kickstarter. When/if I get accepted in the uni where I want to study and buy a laptop, I want to be able to play a game with real characters. Though I'll gladly go through the AAAs I've missed out on.
And I don't get the attitud against playing as women. Some friends of mine from my class were saying that I just CAN'T play as a female Sheppard when I finally get my hands on Mass Effect. Dafuq?! Anyone with this kind of opinion can go fuck themself with a cactus.
 

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Mylinkay Asdara said:
Well since it seems to be another wave of discussion about us lady players washing through and it seems to be popping up in every thread, maybe this is a good time for me to post a thought I had awhile back.

This is a question for the female game playing members of the Escapist honestly, and I'm not foolish enough to ask gentlemen not to answer (because that will just provoke all sorts of crap) but the design of the question is directed at my gender so, if you're giving it a go, please stay on topic as much as possible. For the record - this is a question of personal exploration, not a commentary on the industry.

So here's my question: Do you find yourself not feeling a desire to play games that do not offer a male or female protagonist choice, the way others do i.e. Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Fallout 3/NV, Skyrim and so forth?

I am finding myself feeling this recently. Having been a player of video games for more than 20 years now, I've played and enjoyed plenty of games that had male only protagonists on offer, but recently I am finding I don't desire to give a title a chance if I can't make... well, myself I guess - or a version of me I choose and I am more comfortable playing a female me in game worlds.

I've speculated that maybe this is simply because I gravitate towards RPGs and that requires a certain amount of immersion to get the most out of as a genre. JRPGs I'm not really counting against that, because you play half a dozen people in those usually and are more of a director of people than inserted into any one of them - kinda like the personal demi-god/dess of whatever party you're rolling around the game world.

Still - people have been saying how good the Witcher is - and this is what brought it to my attention probably a month or so ago, talking about that series with a friend - and I found I have no desire at all to play it. It sounds like a great game, but my turn-off is being a grizzled older man for the entire experience and how I don't think I could get into it in that mode.

Even with little two-player games me and my fiancé play together - one's where there is only the option of picking among dudes I can't really get enthusiastic about, I'm just playing them with him to pass the time together, not for the game itself, and I get indignant that they couldn't throw one sprite in there that represents half the population's sexual characteristics.

Maybe I've just reached a point where, now that it's possible and moving towards more standard, I'm unwilling to settle for less than a choice to play my gender and make my character's face/hair/etc. up to my liking. Maybe I'm just in a bit of a rut playing the same games over and over that offer me that immersion other's don't.

I'm not sure if the old sprite stuff would bother me, it's been ages since I went retro. I'm pretty sure I still love Zelda games even as Link and would enjoy a mario 3 pizza party with friends easily enough, but like I said, it's been forever.


So what's your take? Where are you at? I'm sure I'm not "alone" in this (no one ever is) but I'm having trouble identifying when exactly this shift in my gaming philosophy took place and maybe hearing some perspectives on it might help me identify an "ah-ha" moment.
While it's easier to immerse yourself and forget about the real world feeling like you are in the game if the person you control in a game is of the same gender as you are,I don't find my self not wanting to play games just because their protagonist is female. If a game is good,and has the gameplay and theme I like,I'l play it without paying much attention to that detail. Tomb Raider is a recent example. It's a solid and fun game,and I think it would be bad if I limited my entertainment by such facts that personally I consider trivial if a game is good enough.
 

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Mylinkay Asdara said:
<-male (no really)

For the purpose of answering your OP allow me to define three types of protagonist:

1. The "blank slate". I prefer this protagonist to be male.
2. Characterised protagonist that I find relatable. I don't care what sex this protagonist is.
3. Characterised protagonist that I do not find relatable. I don't want to play this game at all.

I think the key difference between (1) and (2) is that (1) effectively forces me to project myself onto the character (or at least try to) whereas (2) merely asks me to empathise with them.
 

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That doesn't really bother me. It can aid, definitely, but it being a central thing or part of the game is not a notion I support.
 

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Tenmar said:
Vault101 said:
I'm going to leave what's between you two to you two, but I just want to say that I appreciate the effort to converse that both of you have made with me - in your own methods and styles.

I'm actually feeling better - though I haven't go out game shopping yet (busy busy) and am still just putzing around Skyrim with my new DLC (PS3 player) for the time being. And I'm pretty happy that the thread hasn't devolved into flamewar :)

I think the thing I like most about my playing the insert characters is the stories I write for them in my own head. Not fan-fiction (ok, I wrote one, but I kept it to myself so that's still not weird!! lol @ myself) but the little dialogs and imagined interactions I have with them are much more comfortable when I'm not also pretending to be a guy version of myself. I do a lot of "wearing the pants" in real life enough for my own tastes. I'll admit to replaying DA and ME as much for the romances as for the whole stories, even though I'm in a long term pretty comfortable / happy relationship. My fiancé teases me about my virtual boyfriends. Heck, I've always wanted to play a male Hawke to Anders relationship just to see the dialog differences, but then I'm stuck in male Hawke the whole game so I always end up not. Stuff like that.
 

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Dr. Doomsduck said:
Yes! Absolutely! it's something that I've been bothered by recently. It might have something to do with coming off a streak of Oblivion, Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Mass Effect 2, Fallout New Vegas, Skyrim and Mass effect 3, only to go right back to Skyrim. Then I decided what the hell, that Dishonored thing sounds awesome, let's try it, only to be completely weirded out by everyone in the game refering to me as a 'he'. I did play the game through, so it's not like I won't play a game if they can't designate me as a female.

But yeah, it's a bit of a nag.
The fact that you're male in Dishonored is instrumental to the story though. The interaction between Corvo and Emily, and the empress before that, wouldn't have worked had he been a woman. It would have blurred a great narrative too much for it to work both ways. That doesn't mean we don't need more games where a female lead is instrumental. I've taken to playing Tomb Raider the other day, and that's a prime example of what gamers (of all genders) need, levels of T&A's included.
 

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freaper said:
Dr. Doomsduck said:
Yes! Absolutely! it's something that I've been bothered by recently. It might have something to do with coming off a streak of Oblivion, Mass Effect, Fallout 3, Mass Effect 2, Fallout New Vegas, Skyrim and Mass effect 3, only to go right back to Skyrim. Then I decided what the hell, that Dishonored thing sounds awesome, let's try it, only to be completely weirded out by everyone in the game refering to me as a 'he'. I did play the game through, so it's not like I won't play a game if they can't designate me as a female.

But yeah, it's a bit of a nag.
The fact that you're male in Dishonored is instrumental to the story though. The interaction between Corvo and Emily, and the empress before that, wouldn't have worked had he been a woman. It would have blurred a great narrative too much for it to work both ways. That doesn't mean we don't need more games where a female lead is instrumental. I've taken to playing Tomb Raider the other day, and that's a prime example of what gamers (of all genders) need, levels of T&A's included.
No, I get that and like others have said, it's not a problem, it's a part of that character, a part of that story. It certainly hasn't stopped me from enjoying it. All I said was that I was a bit weirded out by sitting in Corvo's skin, so to speak. I've mentioned in another comment that I don't like reading books in first person because that character is not me, I don't make the decisions for that character, and as such, it's strange to compare him or her to me. In a game, I do have the control over what a character does for the most part, so there's a higher level of immersion. That level is then slightly broken by being called a 'he' when I'm not.

Likewise, I have less problems with playing males in games like Persona, Zelda, Harvest Moon or Pokémon because I'm not looking through their eyes. I see a male, and yeah, I get to tell him to go this or that way. The same goes for Tomb Raider, but with Corvo, you don't see Corvo, you see the world around him. You are him. In Portal for example, the fact that you're Chell, as a female, is rarely if ever integral (or even mentioned) to the story. Whereas, as you've said, Corvo's masculinity is somehow very important.

Off the top of my head, I can't really name a game where the default choice for first person is a female and where the femininity (even something as simple as the word 'she') is adressed. So, that's something I'd like to see more, but it's just a minor annoyance in games that are as great as dishonored was.
 

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Vault101 said:
Mylinkay Asdara said:
I get the impression (from that rambling wall of text that I cant decipher) that he was trying to somhow imply the its YOUR fault you feel that way..that its some deep issue you have

its not, what your feeling is perfectly normal, youve played enough games that your seeing the trends and now your bored with it...its not that bloody complcated

we all crave better....beter quality, somthing different that doesnt conform to our preconceptions that have built up through years of playing the same old shit

people like temnar can "wall of text" all the pretentiousness they want, but really thease are not problems to be ignored...
Lol, that is exactly the impression I was getting. He was mansplaining the shit out of someone else's emotions.
 

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It seems to me that woman protagonists tend to be ones who complement an "indirect" approach to problems.

For example, Catwoman in Batman: Arkham City couldn't glide like Batman, or even pull herself directly to gargoyles, instead she always had to pounce and climb and so forth, taking much more complex routes around the environment, her moves for dodging and fighting were much more elaborate, presumably for psychological effect, her enhanced vision mode was a representation of various senses such as air currents, heat, smell, and passive echolocation, things she doesn't so much "see" as experience in ways alien to the player.

And then there's Chell from the Portal games, It's a game all about thinking outside the box, GLADOS, who's sort of female, challenges you to do so within the chambers, but the chambers themselves prove to be a box for the even more female Chell to think outside of.

Tomb Raider, where Lara has to work out ways to beat the ancient engineers, not by breaking or overpowering their systems with modern technology, but by testing, predicting, and outpacing them, thinking and moving in ways the ancient engineers presumably weren't aware of. Even the gunplay is focused on keeping your distance by running and flipping around rather than aiming or using cover.

Mirrors edge has Faith beating plenty of armed enemies, but if you're doing the pacifist run, (how I say it's supposed to be played) you either defeat them by doing the opposite to them, running away, or you find ways of approaching them without being in their view long enough to get shot.
 

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Dr. Doomsduck said:
No, I get that and like others have said, it's not a problem, it's a part of that character, a part of that story. It certainly hasn't stopped me from enjoying it. All I said was that I was a bit weirded out by sitting in Corvo's skin, so to speak. I've mentioned in another comment that I don't like reading books in first person because that character is not me, I don't make the decisions for that character, and as such, it's strange to compare him or her to me. In a game, I do have the control over what a character does for the most part, so there's a higher level of immersion. That level is then slightly broken by being called a 'he' when I'm not.

Likewise, I have less problems with playing males in games like Persona, Zelda, Harvest Moon or Pokémon because I'm not looking through their eyes. I see a male, and yeah, I get to tell him to go this or that way. The same goes for Tomb Raider, but with Corvo, you don't see Corvo, you see the world around him. You are him. In Portal for example, the fact that you're Chell, as a female, is rarely if ever integral (or even mentioned) to the story. Whereas, as you've said, Corvo's masculinity is somehow very important.

Off the top of my head, I can't really name a game where the default choice for first person is a female and where the femininity (even something as simple as the word 'she') is adressed. So, that's something I'd like to see more, but it's just a minor annoyance in games that are as great as dishonored was.
If you have played it, how did you experience Half Life 1&2? Gordon is still referred to as obviously male by the rest of the cast, but other than those interactions, his actions can't really be defined as masculine.
I have played Mirror's Edge, a first person game with a female lead. Most of the time I never really identified with her. If I messed up a jump, much like I did in Assassin's Creed (3rd person, male lead), I would cry out the character's name in frustration (followed by an expletive, most of the time). It's obvious that some people get immersed far more than others. I feel like most of the time I'm play along a character, rather than with.