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ShindoL Shill

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its still under construction. it had a leak, which means they needed to fix a whole section because the inside is a vacuum and sucks things in like your mother.

plus people were more interested in the whole 'black whole eat world make dead' side of it.
like this:


The_root_of_all_evil said:
But a renewable source of power would be much more useful to humanity than finding out how to alter matter by throwing Gigawatts into it. Cold fusion is theoretically possible, it's just that we need to find a fragile force under huge pressure. Deuterium unlocking was looking a lot like that for a bit.
yes but fusion is difficult. and if we find the Higgs Boson we could have fusion.
The_root_of_all_evil said:
I was more amused about the fight between Higgs and Hawking over whether the Boson actually exists.

Either way, it's just a huge data funnel. I'd rather they found Cold Fusion than some damn boson.
yeah, the best part of science is the *****-fights.
 

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Geez, on the off-chance that the Hedron Collider did create a black hole, the thing would have been too small to devour the building let alone the whole planet. Real black holes are absolutely huge, bigger than planets, so how on earth could something that big be created by a Hedron Collider which, if I remember rightly was about 17 miles in diameter. Plus considering it's size, the black hole probably would have died and disappeared before it could do any actual damage.
 

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One of the biggest misconceptions people have regarding science revolves around "proving" things. We don't prove things in science. We test. And by those tests we can demonstrate things. For instance, the LHC was developed to test the standard model of particle physics, part of which includes the theoretical higgs boson. If we do not discover the higgs boson, that means the standard model failed its test, and that specific part needs to be rethought.

wooty said:
I heard that they did create the particle and caused a reaction.............but then someone lost it.........

Most of the complaints boil down to:-

Dear science, stop wasting money and develop something useful for once
We are. I'm working on nano-neuro interfaces for direct-link prostheses, and for speeding the development of skynet.

Zhadramekel said:
Geez, on the off-chance that the Hedron Collider did create a black hole, the thing would have been too small to devour the building let alone the whole planet. Real black holes are absolutely huge, bigger than planets, so how on earth could something that big be created by a Hedron Collider which, if I remember rightly was about 17 miles in diameter. Plus considering it's size, the black hole probably would have died and disappeared before it could do any actual damage.
Fear mongering relies on ignorance. LHC is big, and it does scary-sounding things-- scary if you are completely ignorant. So some yahoo said something about black holes, and black holes are pretty "scary," so people freak out over something they don't understand. its not the first time, either. For instance, when you go to the hospital for an MRI scan, you're having magnetic resonance imaging. They had to change its name to MRI from nuclear magnetic resonance imaging because nuclear scares people, even though your body is composed of trillions of nuclei.
 

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Daverson said:
Well, by definition all black holes are invisible to the human eye, that's what makes them black holes!
You realise that if there was a black hole the size of a tennis ball in front of you, you'd be able to see it right?
Not the case. You can observe the effects of a black hole (ie, the visible distortion of images around the event horizon), but you can't physically see a black hole.

Bit of a moot point though, a tennis ball sized black hole would destroy the entire planet in a matter of moments. (Bear in mind that if the earth where a black hole, it'd only have a radius of about 9mm!)
 

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I'm glad to see some intelligent comments in this thread, but also worried about some of the others. I'm really hoping that the Higgs Boson is found. Sure it's always exciting to disprove a major theory, but it's just as exciting to move on and unravel other parts of the universe. I'm not worried about which theory is right, I'm just interested in finding one that is.
 

Kyle Eyre

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i wish there were more intellectual thread online... this is becoming the main one i know of.... and it has some conspiracy in it...
 

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Mass media don't report anything they can't blow completely out of proportion. The LHC has been running.
 

Hero in a half shell

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PingoBlack said:
wooty said:
I heard that they did create the particle and caused a reaction.............but then someone lost it.........

Dear science, stop wasting money and develop something usefull for once
They have ... LHC is actually a Proton Beam weapon!
http://lhc-machine-outreach.web.cern.ch/lhc-machine-outreach/components/beam-dump.htm

A bit hard to carry around tho ... But hey, it would make a great headline. Come on, proton beams! It's like Gundam or something. :D
Why is it that when I read this post I instantly began to think

"SHOOT THE MOON SHOOT THE MOON SHOOT THE MOON"

Just because we can.
 

ShindoL Shill

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Spudgun Man said:
I believe the whole Higgs boson thing is a ruse anyway, it was actually built to contain Brian Cox's ego
so where will they put mine (and a few of my friends)? we're fast approaching some sort of super-egotistical point of detonation and the planets will end up looking like our faces.
AngryMongoose said:
Also, it's not going to create a black hole. Really. And if it did, it'd just drop to the centre of the earth and we probably wouldn't know for one hundred thousand years at least, so you personally have nothing to worry about.
no it wouldnt. Hawking's maths showed any black holes would be too small to sustain themselves and dissolve.

also, is it wrong i want a Large Hamster Collider now?
 
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TrilbyWill said:
yeah, the best part of science is the *****-fights.
Hawking's a hero. How much of an egotist do you have to be to name the God particle after yourself? Kick his teeth in, Steven! Well...run over his foot at least.
 

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wooty said:
I heard that they did create the particle and caused a reaction.............but then someone lost it.........
oh noes, where my particle has gone?

Zantos said:
The disaster headlines will come back soon, ALICE should be online next year with the 7TeV lead collisions.
7 TeV? Mah God, that is over 0.3 trillionths of a kilowatt-hour!

The_root_of_all_evil said:
Cold fusion
Inertial electrostatic confinement ftw.
 

ShindoL Shill

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Daverson said:
Bit of a moot point though, a tennis ball sized black hole would destroy the entire planet in a matter of moments. (Bear in mind that if the earth where a black hole, it'd only have a radius of about 9mm!)
how small are your apples buddy? because thats earth at what it would be as a black hole
 

Arina Love

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data collected in LHC will be analysed and studied for years. there is no such thing as quick science, stuff takes a lot of time especially when it comes to terabytes of recorded information. and for people that saying the it will create back hole and kill us all: shut up and go study physics, you will learn something.
 

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Was I the only person thinking this thread was going to be about Magic: The Gathering?
 

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TrilbyWill said:
no it wouldnt. Hawking's maths showed any black holes would be too small to sustain themselves and dissolve.

also, is it wrong i want a Large Hamster Collider now?
I mean if we accept (wrongly, I'll admit) that the LHC is able to create a black hole that's actually a credible threat to the Earth. Even given that, we have very little reason to worry.

Also, I think I'd rather have some kind of Sun Launcher (SCP-1543-J) that a Large Hamster Collider. You get a better view of the results if you aim it at a nearby building.
 

ShindoL Shill

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
TrilbyWill said:
yeah, the best part of science is the *****-fights.
Hawking's a hero. How much of an egotist do you have to be to name the God particle after yourself? Kick his teeth in, Steven! Well...run over his foot at least.
not much of an egotist... non-quantum science is Newtonian science. it happens a lot. Pythagoras equations, the Archimedes principle, Planck's Constant...
 

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TrilbyWill said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
TrilbyWill said:
yeah, the best part of science is the *****-fights.
Hawking's a hero. How much of an egotist do you have to be to name the God particle after yourself? Kick his teeth in, Steven! Well...run over his foot at least.
not much of an egotist... non-quantum science is Newtonian science. it happens a lot. Pythagoras equations, the Archimedes principle, Planck's Constant...
Not the mention the metric fuckton of stuff Gauss got named after himself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_topics_named_after_Carl_Friedrich_Gauss
 

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well the thing is, science is a slow process. You can't flip a switch and have explosive science just happen.

On 10 September 2008, the proton beams were successfully circulated in the main ring of the LHC for the first time, but 9 days later operations were halted due to a serious fault. On 20 November 2009 they were successfully circulated again with the first recorded proton?proton collisions occurring 3 days later at the injection energy of 450 GeV per beam. After the 2009 winter shutdown, the LHC was restarted and the beam was ramped up to 3.5 TeV per beam (half its designed energy).On 30 March 2010, the first planned collisions took place between two 3.5 TeV beams, a new world record for the highest-energy man-made particle collisions. The LHC will continue to operate at half energy until the end of 2012; it will not run at full energy (7 TeV per beam) until 2014.

The other thing is, to the layman, the stuff questions they're trying to answer would seem incredibly dull and having no effect on your life.

Is the Higgs mechanism for generating elementary particle masses via electroweak symmetry breaking actually realised in nature? It is expected that the collider will either demonstrate or rule out the existence of the elusive Higgs boson, thereby allowing physicists to determine whether the Standard Model or its Higgsless model alternatives are more likely to be correct.

Is supersymmetry, an extension of the Standard Model and Poincaré symmetry, realised in nature, implying that all known particles have supersymmetric partners?

Are there extra dimensions, as predicted by various models based on string theory, and can we detect them?

What is the nature of the dark matter that appears to account for 23% of the mass of the universe?

It is already known that electromagnetism and the weak nuclear force are just different manifestations of a single force called the electroweak force. The LHC may clarify whether the electroweak force and the strong nuclear force are similarly just different manifestations of one universal unified force, as predicted by various Grand Unification Theories.

Why is the fourth fundamental force (gravity) so many orders of magnitude weaker than the other three fundamental forces? See also Hierarchy problem.

Are there additional sources of quark flavour mixing, beyond those already predicted within the Standard Model?

Why are there apparent violations of the symmetry between matter and antimatter? See also CP violation.

What are the nature and properties of quark-gluon plasma, believed to have existed in the early universe and in certain compact and strange astronomical objects today? This will be investigated by heavy ion collisions in ALICE.

People don't care unless idiots on tv tell them that it's going to destroy the world
 

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Slimshad said:
Was I the only person thinking this thread was going to be about Magic: The Gathering?
Yes, yes you where.

What sane person would think about magic cards...