Latest Xbox Dashboard Update Makes Pirates Sad

[Auric]

Just a question from a non pirate but is that update legal? I don't remember being informed of this and I thought they had to tell you exactly what is in an update?

Probably wrong but I thought I'd ask.

I thought this was in the EULA you have to accept when you first install the update

EULA is not legally binding.

It really should be though. It would make things a lot easier and help the industry a lot.

No it shouldn't be. They can put anything into a EULA.

That's why you read it and not agree to it if you don't like something.

You know i you would be if i did that every time i brought a game?

Insane.

Also id be screaming at shop owners right now for not letting me return the games because i don't accept the EULA.

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I give it 2 days.
Also, what type of pirate updates their console?

Obviously some of them do, why else would they need to crack it?

It seems like it would be easier to just have two 360s in the house: one for pirating and one for xbox live.



Here's a question for those with a xbox.
How anal is this drm? Does it screw you over for just having a scratch on the game?

Its funny because this would probably be cheaper than them going legit.

 

[zxBARRICADExz]

I give them 1 month tops to crack it and everything goes back to normal. Also why would you play online if you had a hacked console?

because having a j-tag'd box is cool to tell people about on live... and because those people that do have one are fuckin cunts.

MS needs to start updating firmware more often to catch these bastards.

They actually hack the CD drive and not the console itself. I read into it because i was gonna do it to mine. Also I wouldn't do it and play online. I wouldn't even connect to the Internet with it.

J-Tag is mostly software.. it allows packet sending to be modified to xbl servers. but ya drive swapping is as old as the moon when it comes to the 360.. eventually with a proper firmware update they will be able to block out anything hardware that dosnt belong.. ..oh shit! i forgot!..they'll just ban so these folks buy another box to fill their pockets even more..

 

[Buizel91]

Dear Microsoft DRM Division
The majority of the pirates play xbox offline with their copied disks on old or modded firmware. Oh, and of course, it'll probably be cracked within a week. Congratulations on doing abso-fucking-lutely no good at all, probably wasting a crap load of money, and persecuting bystanders and legitimate customers.

Regards
Someone who is VERY GLAD they aren't a M$ customer.

But for the people who do play online in secret...they are kinda fucked.

 

[Buizel91]

Stealth updates are illegal. I don't care what they say. We consumers have rights.

Remember when you joined XBL? you had to agree to something? yeh, well read this

It's an END-USER AGREEMENT. Meaning that it is a contract between you, the user, and them, the developer which says that they agree to provide the service (see: game) if you agree not to pirate or modify the game or service without their express permission.

One would assume that before you modified your console with an update as major as this, you would read the fine print to make sure that you wouldn't be breaking any rules or such, which does include modifying games or the console in ways that it wasn't intended. So you're agreeing to up-hold your end of the contract and they'll agree to provide you with a game or service.

No matter what you say, you signed that agreement, and they can do what they like to the people that do ANYTHING illegal to THEIR Console.

And to be fair, they told us we were going to get updated, they don't have to tell us what's on that update...

Fell free to pirate all you want, but Microsoft gets my respect for doing this.

 

[Buizel91]

So, uh, no one sees anything wrong with the disturbing number of people on this thread who are referring to pirates as dirty, worthless human beings and wishing physical violence on them?

I'm just saying, mods ban people on here for mentioning that they pirate games, which isn't even a criminal offense.

Do you you know how many people go to court over this?

i know someone who is currently in jail for pirating.

*Sigh* Escapist, i thought you were a smart society

 

[Lord_Jaroh]

Exactly. Because it isn't legally binding.

I mean you can't force someone to agree to something based on the past. You have to disclose the information beforehand.

In this case, the sign would be located outside the room. And no EULA that I am aware of does what that comic does.

You can read the UELA before you buy the game? I'm impressed! Because normally I don't get to see it until after I try to install the game, after the purchase, and if I don't agree to it, I can't return the game. Which means that it happes exactly how this comic does...

 

[Buizel91]

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Wait what? Why did they even sign onto Xbox Live?

Idiot pirates are idiots.

Reminds me of the guy who got that pirated version of Halo 3's release code, couldn't get it to work and actually CONTACTED SUPPORT!

Got banned 'til 99/99/9999.

He could be Immortal?

Never know *Shrug*

 

[thublihnk]

So, uh, no one sees anything wrong with the disturbing number of people on this thread who are referring to pirates as dirty, worthless human beings and wishing physical violence on them?

I'm just saying, mods ban people on here for mentioning that they pirate games, which isn't even a criminal offense.

Do you you know how many people go to court over this?

i know someone who is currently in jail for pirating.

*Sigh* Escapist, i thought you were a smart society

Yes, you can go to court, because it is a *civil* offense.

And yes, you can go to jail for the sale of pirated materials, as THAT is a criminal offense.

But traditional pirating, the downloading and non-profit distribution of copyrighted materials is a civil offense, which is up to the offended parties to investigate and prosecute (at least under current law). And that is a civil suit, again, so monetary claims are at stake, not jail time. Don't condescend to me, buddy. I know my shit.

 

[kebab4you]

Hard facts from the iXtreme (modding firmware) website & forum.

AP2.5 will immediately stop a backup game functioning and flag the console for a ban. It only effects games with AP2.5. For example: a backup of Fable 3 will not run and will get you flagged. A retail copy of Fable 3 will also get you flagged, if your firmware is modified. Any older games will work fine.

The creators of iXtreme have already announced that they've "beaten" AP2.5 and have Fable 3 running on newer drives such as BenQ and Lite-on. The new firmware (dubbed Lite Touch+) is planned for release "very soon", most likely very early next year.

CoD: Black Ops has been leaked and confirmed to not be using AP2.5. None of the tested Kinect titles have it either, though not all have been tested.

Older 360 drives (Samsung ones, to be particular) are not compatible with AP2.5 and the checks will not be performed. Pirates with flashed Samsung drives are therefor immune to AP2.5. However, drive switching and spoofing is detectable, so pirates are not safe to simply switch to a Samsung drive.

So...congrats, Microsoft! You bought yourselves immunity to piracy. Well, to some piracy. For one game. For a few weeks.

Morons.

Congratz Microsoft seems like it worked out well... for the pirates at least.

 

[Ryurt]

[2010-11-01 04:11PM] ap2.5 already defeated, backup fable 3 running fine on beta dash! more data required for analysis!

It was defeated before the update even hit, I guess they sure did show all those pirates. This is Microsofts last gasp at stopping piracy on the xbox and it was stopped before it even started.

For the record any modded box can use xbox live, and the most up to date dashboard update, just not with Fable 3. Also modding a 360 takes <2 minutes.

 

[Xanthious]

The really hilarious side effect to banning consoles is that it actually adds MORE pirates to what is already out there. Don't believe me? Consider this, you think the pirates playing online just stop and give up? Hell no! They go buy another preowned console most likely and mod it and then sell the banned console adding another pirate to the mix.

Everytime M$ does one of their mass bans craigslist explodes with banned 360s that are pretty open about saying that they are unable to get online but can play copied games. Then add that to the people out there that sell their console to friends/family and then turn around and make a little bit of extra money selling them games for 5-10 dollars a piece.

I know more than a few people that have sold banned consoles to families that couldn't of normally afforded a 200 dollar console and 60 dollar games but can much more easily afford a 70 dollar console and 10 dollar games. They also make a little extra scratch off these same people updating their firmware every so often so they can play the most up to date games. Hell some of these people even have waiting lists of people looking to buy a banned console.

However, I guess M$ is happy to add to the piracy "problem" because by choosing this method to combat it that is exactly what they are doing. I'm sure the pirates that are out there making a rather tidy bit of supplemental income go so far as to thank ole M$ every time a wave of bans comes around because that's just more customers and money for them.

 

[Mysnomer]

For some reason a lot of people on the Fable 3 forum are having problems using their copies even when they're legit and not pirated.

Honestly, good for them. The game is fucking awful.

Oh, man. Well played. I saw your icon as I was reading the previous comment, and I'm thinking, Ooh, a respected member of the community, what does he think about serious issues like piracy and DRM. But you got me. You got me good.

 

[The Wooster]

For some reason a lot of people on the Fable 3 forum are having problems using their copies even when they're legit and not pirated.

Honestly, good for them. The game is fucking awful.

Oh, man. Well played. I saw your icon as I was reading the previous comment, and I'm thinking, Ooh, a respected member of the community, what does he think about serious issues like piracy and DRM. But you got me. You got me good.

I'm all about the ducats, man. I only do private dead horse flogging sessions now.

 

[Mysnomer]

Oh, man. Well played. I saw your icon as I was reading the previous comment, and I'm thinking, Ooh, a respected member of the community, what does he think about serious issues like piracy and DRM. But you got me. You got me good.

I'm all about the ducats, man. I only do private dead horse flogging sessions now.

If I'm interpreting this right, you're saying that there's no point in truly discussing this because it's all been said before? I guess that's true, but the sheer level of uninformed vitriol and claims make me think that some education is in order. But you're right, it's pretty unlikely that anyone came to this thread to learn something new and change their opinion.

 

[ionveau]

So, uh, no one sees anything wrong with the disturbing number of people on this thread who are referring to pirates as dirty, worthless human beings and wishing physical violence on them?

I'm just saying, mods ban people on here for mentioning that they pirate games, which isn't even a criminal offense.

Do you you know how many people go to court over this?

i know someone who is currently in jail for pirating.

*Sigh* Escapist, i thought you were a smart society

Your ether trolling yourself,

if your not, Btw if you know a person in jail for copy write infringement then he was selling the software online like a dumb dumb.

 

[The Wooster]

Oh, man. Well played. I saw your icon as I was reading the previous comment, and I'm thinking, Ooh, a respected member of the community, what does he think about serious issues like piracy and DRM. But you got me. You got me good.

I'm all about the ducats, man. I only do private dead horse flogging sessions now.

If I'm interpreting this right, you're saying that there's no point in truly discussing this because it's all been said before? I guess that's true, but the sheer level of uninformed vitriol and claims make me think that some education is in order. But you're right, it's pretty unlikely that anyone came to this thread to learn something new and change their opinion.

Well discussing things on the internet with the intent to change people's minds is, in my personal experience, generally a waste of time. That being said you do make a good point about education. There's lot of people who just type in the first thought that comes into their head when they see the title.

That being personally I've contributed to at least a dozen threads about piracy generally from a pro consumer stance but a lot of people have argued the point with far more technical detail and actual knowledge. Check out the posts of a user called Rak The Undead. He generally nailed the subject without being for either side.

My thoughts can probably just be summed up with my 3rd Crit Miss strip [http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/galleries/display/64/64124.jpg].

 

[Lord_Jaroh]

Exactly. Because it isn't legally binding.

I mean you can't force someone to agree to something based on the past. You have to disclose the information beforehand.

In this case, the sign would be located outside the room. And no EULA that I am aware of does what that comic does.

You can read the UELA before you buy the game? I'm impressed! Because normally I don't get to see it until after I try to install the game, after the purchase, and if I don't agree to it, I can't return the game. Which means that it happes exactly how this comic does...

Don't be an idiot, you're not forced to install it or agree to it.

Yeah, you bought it and wasted your money but that's not important.

It's only a waste if you don't agree with the UELA, which you can't read until after the purchase.

 

[Yopaz]

Screw Pirates, it makes me sad too. It looks like shit.

Agreed, I dislike the new one, and I loved the old one, the one before that was awful though... I wish they'd make a choice to use the old one with the stealth thing to keep away pirates and let those who want the kinect use the new one.