Lauren Southern speaks to Feminists at "SlutWalk".

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Lauren Southern, a journalist for The Rebel, a Canadian political and social commentary platform recently released a video of her encounter with various feminists at a "Slutwalk".

Slutwalk in this instance being kinda like a feminist convention in which they walk around in revealing clothing, this one in particular taking place in Vancouver.

During the attempt, the cameraman was assaulted by being pushed. Lauren herself was accused of being a rapist for conducting an interview which the feminist in question later disagreed with.

Now, I don't really want this to turn into the typical shit-flinging match, so, do try to be reasonable. I don't really care much for the situation, but, you guys seem to dig this kinda thing, so, hey, have it.
 

VanQ

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Wow, Lauren was nearly driven to tears by those nutters.

Hell, that last minute with the women saying that it's okay to withdraw consent after the fact seemed to really just prove her point.
 

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So whats the discussion you wish to have about this vid exactly? Have at it is rather vague starting point for a discussion to start.

Do you wan t to talk about the interviewer and her actions? the actions of the protesters? Talk about the premise of rape culture which she brings up in the vid? The possible bias in showing interviews with the looniest of the protesters?

Edit: An aside she really needs to learn how to breathe correctly on camera. Her constant gasping for air is very distracting.
 

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I'm not surprised. I honestly can't see why a normal person would support the slutwalk, even if you supported the general message they where excpouting, though this isn't so much because of what the people marching in it do and more from the fact that the whole slutwalk began because of a lie in the form of intentional misquoting of a Toronto police officer. Can't really get behind something that has a lie as its core foundation.
 

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Darks63 said:
Edit: An aside she really needs to learn how to breathe correctly on camera. Her constant gasping for air is very distracting.
I'm assuming that's because in the first half of the video she's walking and talking at the same time trying to keep up with the slutwalk. The second half she's nearly in tears after having had her cameraman pushed and shoved, her sign stolen and ripped up and having been called a *****.
 

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VanQ said:
Darks63 said:
Edit: An aside she really needs to learn how to breathe correctly on camera. Her constant gasping for air is very distracting.
I'm assuming that's because in the first half of the video she's walking and talking at the same time trying to keep up with the slutwalk. The second half she's nearly in tears after having had her cameraman pushed and shoved, her sign stolen and ripped up and having been called a *****.
It less the physical or emotional state of her being and more that she seems to talk until she runs out of breath. I can understand that she may do so due to being afraid that she might get "run over" so to speak by these women she is speaking to, but it is quite distracting as I have already stated. There are courses that can teach a person how to speak naturally in public without audibly breathing.
 

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You go to a protest and hold up a sign basically saying "the entire premise for this protest is bullshit", what would you expect? The whole thing reeks of gotcha journalism and antagonizing people so that you can sell their reaction for profit via a article like the above video.
Pretty much this, exactly.

I don't know what Lauren's other work is like, or what "The Rebel" is like in general, but this is the very definition of "bad faith". She's there to provoke reactions. And upon getting them, they quick cut away at the appropriate moment to tell a story. Look at this random person, temporarily at a loss for words when confronted by my antagonistic question! CUT AWAY!

There is absolutely a dialogue to be had, absolutely criticism that can be levied at fuzzy arguments. This is not how you do it. Not that it matters, there are people that will eat this shit up with a spoon, because "HURR HURR FEMINAZIS GITTIN GOT", but if you're an advocate of...I don't know...ETHICAL JOURNALISM...I don't see how you applaud this.

I'm reminded of Michael Moore's odious ambush "journalism". You're not interviewing people. You're not genuinely seeking information. You're just stirring up shit in promotion of a narrative.

EDIT: Oh Jesus Christ, I just looked at the rest of Rebel Media's playlist. Quelle surprise.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
MarsAtlas said:
You go to a protest and hold up a sign basically saying "the entire premise for this protest is bullshit", what would you expect? The whole thing reeks of gotcha journalism and antagonizing people so that you can sell their reaction for profit via a article like the above video.
Pretty much this, exactly.

I don't know what Lauren's other work is like, or what "The Rebel" is like in general, but this is the very definition of "bad faith". She's there to provoke reactions. And upon getting them, they quick cut away at the appropriate moment to tell a story. Look at this random person, temporarily at a loss for words when confronted by my antagonistic question! CUT AWAY!

There is absolutely a dialogue to be had, absolutely criticism that can be levied at fuzzy arguments. This is not how you do it. Not that it matters, there are people that will eat this shit up with a spoon, because "HURR HURR FEMINAZIS GITTIN GOT", but if you're an advocate of...I don't know...ETHICAL JOURNALISM...I don't see how you applaud this.

I'm reminded of Michael Moore's odious ambush "journalism". You're not interviewing people. You're not genuinely seeking information. You're just stirring up shit in promotion of a narrative.

EDIT: Oh Jesus Christ, I just looked at the rest of Rebel Media's playlist. Quelle surprise.
I will never understand how some reporters can operate like this. Like, do you just have to be a complete sociopath or just an idiot? Or both?

Then again, the same question could be asked about news pundints, car salesmen, assassins, clowns, etc.
 

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Fappy said:
I will never understand how some reporters can operate like this. Like, do you just have to be a complete sociopath or just an idiot? Or both?

Then again, the same question could be asked about news pundints, car salesmen, assassins, clowns, etc.
Fappy I've had it up to here with your tireless clown bashing. I'm putting my foot down!
 

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I have always been curious where the number of unreported rapes come from. What do you have to do to count a rape as reported? How do you come to a percentage when, by definition, you don't have information to draw upon since the acts are going unreported?

Further, could anyone help me get some numbers for the often cited one in five female American college students are raped before their studies are completed and they graduate. How many victims is that? How many perpetrators? I just don't know if I can figure that one out.

Seriously, any help would be appreciated with either of these.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Fappy said:
I will never understand how some reporters can operate like this. Like, do you just have to be a complete sociopath or just an idiot? Or both?

Then again, the same question could be asked about news pundints, car salesmen, assassins, clowns, etc.
Fappy I've had it up to here with your tireless clown bashing. I'm putting my foot down!
Clowns get what they deserve! I mean, come on! They prance around with those sexy noses with no regard for their own safety, for Christ's sake! How stupid could they be?!

And that face paint?! It's a lie to entice young children into laughing! IT'S MANIPULATION, GOD DAMMIT!
 

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silver wolf009 said:
I have always been curious where the number of unreported rapes come from. What do you have to do to count a rape as reported? How do you come to a percentage when, by definition, you don't have information to draw upon since the acts are going unreported?
I'm not sure either. The statistics have always seemed fuzzy. The general consensus is that unreported cases of sexual assault/rape is very high among women and men.

One thing to keep in mind is that the overwhelming number of reported rapes are not the oft publicized "stranger rape", where a masked man jumps from the shadows and assails a passerby. It's almost always a friend, or acquaintance, or even a lover. Which seriously complicates the question of "do I report this". What if it's a parent? Or a coach? Or a priest? There was a very moving set of photos of male rape victims on Imgur the other day, holding up signs about their experiences. A Dad said he'd kill the mother if the kid told. Another said he'd kill his sisters (and told the sisters he'd kill their brother when he was raping them). Others threatened expulsion, or that they'd be a laughing stock if word got out.

I have a female friend who was raped by a co-worker. She refused to say anything about it because he was friends with the boss, and she was a relatively new hire fresh out of school.

For a lot of victims, the act of reporting it and having your sexual history combed through and put up as a defense, or being attacked/demonized by the family and friends of the accused, or sitting through a rape kit and being violated all over again, is worse than just staying silent.

And it's a fucking hard crime to prosecute, and often boils down into a case of conflicting stories.

silver wolf009 said:
Further, could anyone help me get some numbers for the often cited one in five female American college students are raped before their studies are completed and they graduate. How many victims is that? How many perpetrators? I just don't know if I can figure that one out.
I believe that statistic was debunked. There is definitely a problem with rape on campuses though. Lots of young people, on their own for the first time. Lots of drugs and alcohol and impaired decision making. And a lot of for-profit universities and colleges eager to protect the school's reputation and sweep incidents under the carpet. It's something of an endemic, whether the 20% statistic is too high or not.

I mean really...what statistic beyond 0% should be acceptable?
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
... or sitting through a rape kit and being violated all over again...
Speaking as someone who's never been a victim of sexual violence, this idea has always kind of terrified me. Like, I can't imagine the fortitude required to experience such a traumatic event and immediately go to the authorities to get evidence removed from your body. That just sounds like an extra helping of awful on top of an already harrowing experience. I completely understand it when rape survivors aren't willing to submit themselves to that, even if it means their potential case against their attacker suffers.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
silver wolf009 said:
I have always been curious where the number of unreported rapes come from. What do you have to do to count a rape as reported? How do you come to a percentage when, by definition, you don't have information to draw upon since the acts are going unreported?
I'm not sure either. The statistics have always seemed fuzzy. The general consensus is that unreported cases of sexual assault/rape is very high among women and men.

One thing to keep in mind is that the overwhelming number of reported rapes are not the oft publicized "stranger rape", where a masked man jumps from the shadows and assails a passerby. It's almost always a friend, or acquaintance, or even a lover. Which seriously complicates the question of "do I report this". What if it's a parent? Or a coach? Or a priest? There was a very moving set of photos of male rape victims on Imgur the other day, holding up signs about their experiences. A Dad said he'd kill the mother if the kid told. Another said he'd kill his sisters (and told the sisters he'd kill their brother when he was raping them). Others threatened expulsion, or that they'd be a laughing stock if word got out.

I have a female friend who was raped by a co-worker. She refused to say anything about it because he was friends with the boss, and she was a relatively new hire fresh out of school.

For a lot of victims, the act of reporting it and having your sexual history combed through and put up as a defense, or being attacked/demonized by the family and friends of the accused, or sitting through a rape kit and being violated all over again, is worse than just staying silent.

And it's a fucking hard crime to prosecute, and often boils down into a case of conflicting stories.

silver wolf009 said:
Further, could anyone help me get some numbers for the often cited one in five female American college students are raped before their studies are completed and they graduate. How many victims is that? How many perpetrators? I just don't know if I can figure that one out.
I believe that statistic was debunked. There is definitely a problem with rape on campuses though. Lots of young people, on their own for the first time. Lots of drugs and alcohol and impaired decision making. And a lot of for-profit universities and colleges eager to protect the school's reputation and sweep incidents under the carpet. It's something of an endemic, whether the 20% statistic is too high or not.

I mean really...what statistic beyond 0% should be acceptable?
Makes sense on the first part. I'd just hope the fuzzy numbers would stop be presented in an air of concreteness.

And it's basically never a matter of acceptable, just attainable. Not just for sexual assault, but for all crimes.
 

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silver wolf009 said:
Makes sense on the first part. I'd just hope the fuzzy numbers would stop be presented in an air of concreteness.
Different studies will show you different things, but we have a general impression that the rate of reporting is very low. How low is open for debate, but the reasons why it is low seem fairly evident. While I find discussion of a "rape culture" to be terribly nebulous and not particularly academically rigorous, there is definitely a stigma attached to rape victims that needs to be broken down before one can expect the rate of reporting to go up. And let's face it, it's never going to be high. This is a hugely personal, intimate crime, often perpetrated by people in positions of trust. It's not a street corner mugging.
 

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BloatedGuppy said:
Basically this is a conga line of "this" at this point.

EDIT: Oh Jesus Christ, I just looked at the rest of Rebel Media's playlist. Quelle surprise.
Also this. Watching their second most viewed video on their YT channel because I think I'll have enough of Southern for one lifetime, I see them unashamedly use the term "social justice warrior" in relation to people who are prochoice/pro abortion based on it being a right to a woman's bodily autonomy, interviewed a guy who went only slightly farther in his prochoice stance than I would, and pull the same shit of not pulling the interview when he wanted out. This seems like a trend.
Fappy said:
BloatedGuppy said:
Fappy I've had it up to here with your tireless clown bashing. I'm putting my foot down!
Clowns get what they deserve! I mean, come on! They prance around with those sexy noses with no regard for their own safety, for Christ's sake! How stupid could they be?!

And that face paint?! It's a lie to entice young children into laughing! IT'S MANIPULATION, GOD DAMMIT!
Of course they deserve all those pies to the face! (We were talking about cream pies right?)
 

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For people talking about the numbers I would just sent you to Christina Hoff Sommers:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZrzCAuiw7w&index=12&list=PLytTJqkSQqtr7BqC1Jf4nv3g2yDfu7Xmd
The original 1 in 5 paper is here: https://www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/221153.pdf

I would like to point out that in the last couple of years there have been attempts to lump in rape, which is well defined, with the poorly defined term of "sexual assault". This is good for feminist organizations because it elevates the status of the term sexual assault to being very important(they use rape as the poster child of the word) but then sneakily add things in that category. For instance if you have sex with your wife or girlfriend after she has had a glass of wine it is usually counted as sexual assault. Its actually just a way to lie, they say "rape culture" but use sexual assault stats to make it sound prevalent.