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Zyst

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That was my point, yes, and it's exactly why balancing around popular demand is a bad idea. The majority of the whiners aren't actually any good at the game, and thus not the people you should be balancing around. As someone who's partially responsible for the "public balance discussion forum"(read: the venting room for raging mid-level players) on the biggest Company of Heroes-site, I know how bad an idea it usually is to change something because of what a lot of low-mid-level players perceive as an imbalance. The problem is 99% of the time just that they're playing wrong, which I assume was the deal with Xin: pubbies not knowing how to deal with him.
Ok lets bring some DotA in on this.

I wasn't talking about banning by popular demand but more by necessity but the popular demand is the method Riot really employs.
What is the reason behind Ezreals nerf first of all? I'm expecting something good here, because from the sounds of it he hasn't changed at all since I was last playing him.

My justification for such nerfing is related to a hero in DotA Lycanthorpe: Lycan was a hero who could jungle extremely efficiently, faster and harder than any other hero in the game and was an absolute monster if you left him unchecked for 20 minutes.
Not only would he solo Roshan (baron but you get an extra life) within those minutes he would also be able to freely contest any hero at that point based on income of his jungle vs your lane.
He was B& and picked even in pro games, where they knew exactly how to deal with him but they just didn't want too.

He was changed recently and he has no dropped from tier 1 to tier 4 quite arguably. The change?
The wolves he could summon now half hp - this has crushed his jungling and he isn't that strong of a laner in the first place.
There is a reason to nerf a hero, so what is Ez's for?

Yup, metagames change. That's why competitive winrates is just as important to look at as pick/ban-rates are. If a champion is picked/banned most competitive games, and wins the majority of the games said champion picked in, there is reason for concern.
Again that really depends, hence my point about mechanics. I can't see any reason to adjust Ezreal beyond stripping that second blink from him.

From what I interpreted from the last paragraph you're not playing anymore, thus you might not be aware that she doesn't rely as much on her ult anymore as it got nerfed. Her Q-E-W-combo plays a way bigger role now, and she's still considered a top-tier pick even despite her crappy laning phase.
Her "best ability" is the ability to use her ridiculous burst at least twice in any decent teamfight, thus her passive is her most important tool by far. The ult helps, but it's not anywhere close to being what defines her.
Yeah I haven't kept up at all, I'm into the DotA scene so you'll have to expain the Ez sitch a bit better for me.
Ez has never been special at all, him suddenly winning more only seems logical to me because of his escapes.
Just a footnote on the comments about the Lycan nerfs, he was actually played by Na'Vi (Puppey) on the Starladder final a couple of days ago, and his jungle is almost unaffected, however you do need some extra regen items to start out. However the damage the wolves do is unaffected so now you pretty much tank a bit more than before, however the mechanics that make him an amazing mid/late game hero are untouched, every competitive player says he is still top tier material, he's just not a "ban him every single game and if he's not banned pick him because not doing so would just be stupid" hero anymore, and I think we can all agree that's a good thing.
 

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I got way too suffocated with the Meta game in LoL, every game was pretty much ADC and support bot, ap mid top duellist and jungle. Don't get me wrong, I love LoL and I find it very fun, with my mate we were sitting at the 1850-1950 ELO range which fluctuated with win/loss streaks. However, in the end I was just suffocated. In DotA I don't really have that problem, I've played that game on and off for many years now and I still find it incredibly fun, today we ran a captains mode game where we went 1 top 1 mid trilane bot, then one pretty standard game with 2 top 1 mid 1 jung 1 bot as Radiant and one incredibly weird game where we had 3 heavy carries. Overall it was really fun, and I find myself having that feeling less and less with LoL, the challenge required is also quite different. I'm sure I'll be able to come back to LoL in a couple of months and it'll feel good again for a couple of months then I'll quit again, but I never have that problem with DotA so meh.

Smite is also quite fun! I dunno why so many people discredit it such. Also Ao Kuang is the shit, blue dragon throwing tornadoes and shit.
Me and my friends mix up our strategies sometimes by ignoring the popular meta. Just last week we rolled a game with 1 bruiser top, 2 mages in mid and bot and Udyr/Rengar jungle-buddies. We counter-jungled the shit out of the other team and got three solid ganks in before 10 minutes.

People just think the meta is set in stone because the pros do it.

As for Smite... I haven't played it in awhile, but it is pretty fun.
 

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Ezreal needed a nerf, yes. It still procs Trinity Force, it still gives the attack speed buff to all allies in its blast.

So yeah, it's still pretty good. It just makes trades less one sided for ezreal who already has a flash, an attack speed buff, and considerable burst and poke
I stopped playing just before Zyra was released, so this statement is HILARIOUS to me in hindsight.

Captchas: "It's Super Delicious" (It really isn't)
Anyone else feel like a corporate tool filling these ad-captchas out?
 

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Just a footnote on the comments about the Lycan nerfs, he was actually played by Na'Vi (Puppey) on the Starladder final a couple of days ago, and his jungle is almost unaffected, however you do need some extra regen items to start out. However the damage the wolves do is unaffected so now you pretty much tank a bit more than before, however the mechanics that make him an amazing mid/late game hero are untouched, every competitive player says he is still top tier material, he's just not a "ban him every single game and if he's not banned pick him because not doing so would just be stupid" hero anymore, and I think we can all agree that's a good thing.
Actually didn't realise anyone had picked him up so early, interesting coming from Ppy though. He usually has great information on the game so if he's saying it then I can't doubt it.
The nerf was to his early game though, you are right but it leaves Lycan much more vulnerable in the early game by having to tank creeps, previously Lycan was only stopped by careless mismicro of wolves or warding camps.
 

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maddawg IAJI said:
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I really hate how they deal with the female champions. yes, sex sells, but is that all they got for female players? after all that controversy, they dont even try it with something different?

and never new maps.. just revamps
Dominion?.......And what do you mean sexualized female champions, have you not seen Shyvana, Riven, any of the yordle champs or Diana?

I admit, they had their problems, but according to Riot, they did it because certain models weren't easily distinguishable from one another.
They do have their fair share of modest female champs (I play Diana, Shyvana and Akali), I'll give you that. However, I do think they go a bit overboard on the sexualization of some champs. Especially in the splash art.

Morgana's new splash art makes me cry inside. It's so... silly. Good thing I play Sinful Succulence and Blade Mistress ;P

EDIT: Miss Fortune's new art is one of the worst offenders.
you can identify a bad character design by taking away accessories, like clothing etc. special skin colors and hair. if you do so and you cant tell the difference between two characters, then their design is bad, so look at the faces, they are all the same, bodies are all extrem similar and even champions that are supposed to be monsters (zyra, elise) are only wearing costumes over human skin...
 

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Zyst said:
I got way too suffocated with the Meta game in LoL, every game was pretty much ADC and support bot, ap mid top duellist and jungle. Don't get me wrong, I love LoL and I find it very fun, with my mate we were sitting at the 1850-1950 ELO range which fluctuated with win/loss streaks. However, in the end I was just suffocated. In DotA I don't really have that problem, I've played that game on and off for many years now and I still find it incredibly fun, today we ran a captains mode game where we went 1 top 1 mid trilane bot, then one pretty standard game with 2 top 1 mid 1 jung 1 bot as Radiant and one incredibly weird game where we had 3 heavy carries. Overall it was really fun, and I find myself having that feeling less and less with LoL, the challenge required is also quite different. I'm sure I'll be able to come back to LoL in a couple of months and it'll feel good again for a couple of months then I'll quit again, but I never have that problem with DotA so meh.

Smite is also quite fun! I dunno why so many people discredit it such. Also Ao Kuang is the shit, blue dragon throwing tornadoes and shit.
Me and my friends mix up our strategies sometimes by ignoring the popular meta. Just last week we rolled a game with 1 bruiser top, 2 mages in mid and bot and Udyr/Rengar jungle-buddies. We counter-jungled the shit out of the other team and got three solid ganks in before 10 minutes.

People just think the meta is set in stone because the pros do it.

As for Smite... I haven't played it in awhile, but it is pretty fun.
Yeah that's cool! Really wish the people I played with were a bit more open, but since we usually random queued with 3 pubs or something of the sort sticking to the meta was easier than trying to explain what we wanted to do, right?

Lyri said:
Zyst said:
Just a footnote on the comments about the Lycan nerfs, he was actually played by Na'Vi (Puppey) on the Starladder final a couple of days ago, and his jungle is almost unaffected, however you do need some extra regen items to start out. However the damage the wolves do is unaffected so now you pretty much tank a bit more than before, however the mechanics that make him an amazing mid/late game hero are untouched, every competitive player says he is still top tier material, he's just not a "ban him every single game and if he's not banned pick him because not doing so would just be stupid" hero anymore, and I think we can all agree that's a good thing.
Actually didn't realise anyone had picked him up so early, interesting coming from Ppy though. He usually has great information on the game so if he's saying it then I can't doubt it.
The nerf was to his early game though, you are right but it leaves Lycan much more vulnerable in the early game by having to tank creeps, previously Lycan was only stopped by careless mismicro of wolves or warding camps.
Yeah I totally agree, I'm just thinking he is not "tier 4" and he is by no means useless, just takes a bit longer to become an unstoppable killing machine. His normal laning is very weak and I think there's no argue against that, but he's a superb jungler even post-nerf so yeah.

Also I agree that Puppey is super legit.
 

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Oh yeah, definitely. Unfortunately we usually stick to the meta anyway, even without randoms >.>

I hate randoms :mad:
 

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Lyri said:
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Ezreal needed a nerf, yes. It still procs Trinity Force, it still gives the attack speed buff to all allies in its blast.

So yeah, it's still pretty good. It just makes trades less one sided for ezreal who already has a flash, an attack speed buff, and considerable burst and poke
Hahaha.

Nerfing Ezreal, oh lawd.
Riot is really getting the the bottom of the barrel with their "fixes" now.

When he first came out and he actually healed people and flux actually did some damage too, I could understand it.
This though?
Haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa.

Sincerely,
Ezreal fanboy.

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When it comes down to it, let's face it. Akali is just Easy Mode Katarina. It's the truth and you know it
Akali is easy mode Katarina?
Boy, did you get hit on the head hard or something?

Katarina is a walking ultimate and nothing more.
Wow, either you're trolling or you are WAY out of touch with the game.

Ez is the top AD Carry right now... by a huge margin, and has been dancing around the nerfbat for some time. Finally they decided enough was enough.

Kat totally got reworked and is a very capable burst assassin with some good AoE outside her ult. Even without her ult, a Shunpo into her blades and aoe strike will melt a squishy fast and hard. She's... pretty scary now actually.

And Eve got nerfed.

I know, I know, a few months ago this would sound like bizarro land. Ez top ADC? Kat being scary and good? EVE NERFS!?!

But yeah, they done do some reworks on these guys. Damn did they.