Left 4 Dead 2 Ban Surprised, Saddened Valve
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They're based in America but they also do Australian games.shadow moses said:
I think us over here in Aussie should let the BBFC classify our games.
Can't they just give it an adults only rating and release it anyways. Though all games given an AO rating have been recalled and redone like the original San Andreas.
Didn't Yathzee, an Australian, purchase and review Gears of War 2? The game where you slice people in half with a chainsaw that's attached to a gun?
Groups like Steam, Google, Gamersgate, and similar things are just as castrated as the actual games industry. Rather than fighting for free speech and distribution they play along with the goverments by cooperating with censorship efforts. If the goverment in a given area doesn't want a game to be sold, these guys aren't going to thumb their noses and do everything they can to render the goverment as powerless as possible. Google is paticularly bad (look at what happened with China), but I also believe Steam has been playing by those "rules" as well.Russian_Assassin said:
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Ratings are a touchy subject, in general PG-13 actually grants a lot of latitude for violence and sex. The whole bit about breast nudity being allowed in PG-13 movies has even been satirized in movies with characters saying "well I won't go all the way tonight, but how about a PG-13 moment" before flashing their breasts or whatever.
Now, the way how people are treating things today they act like gore and breast nudity are "R" rated material, which they are not.
With an "R" rating you can do anything in a movie legally EXCEPT show sexual penetration. Legally, the way things are SUPPOSED to work, there are no real limits unless someone files an obscenity suit (which is something all it's own). This even allows for full frontal nudity of both genders, simulated sex, and the most depraved and detailed violence imagiable.
The thing is that not all movies are designed to wallow in these things and the simple fact that you have to fight at times means that despite having the right Hollywood is gradually becoming more relaxed in how far ir pushes the envelope as long as the potential is there for when they want to.
In theory an "M" rating should be able to get away with anything an "R" rating goes, and at least in the US they can only push for an AO rating if sexual penetration is shown. At least this is how I learned things. However as things stand now the game industry has not fought for their rights to take things as far as they should.
There is also a tendency to over-rate things voluntarily. For example I've seen many movies that were no worse than a PG-13 in content, but carried an "R" rating probably so they could just release the movie quickly and nobody would bother to analyze everything given the latitude that allows.
Voluntarily requesting a higher rating that strictly needed I think has also scewed people's perceptions.
The point of this rant is that blood and gore in general AREN'T going to warp a 16 year old. Legally speaking they should be able to see giant piles of steaming guts anytime they want (actually seeing someone rip those steaming guts out of someone else in clear view is something else entirely though and goes 'R') Not is more or less clean violence (ie people being shot without any excessive violence or cruelty). They are allowed to see things like that, but honestly even with Hollywood's safely defined rights you just see less of an effort being made to give productions the smallest rating possible.
In part I suspect Hollywood cares less about the ratings than they used to is that the "in theater" viewership is increasingly less important than the rentals, digital viewership, and other things. They want a big audience, but are no longer as desperate to literally put as many butts as possible in seats as they can in the shortest period of time.
first person tactical experience, as you have to evade being dead ended...Xanadu84 said:
though this sounds heavily like playing left4dead without any guns or special infected... would be a fun mod though.
Why did they have to ban one of the few games I was looking forward to?
The Australian Government is afraid of the whole violent gamer thing and are obviously trying there best to stop it but in turn they have caused more violence because I honestly feel like killing something now.
Oh well Steam should still have it.
The Australian Government is afraid of the whole violent gamer thing and are obviously trying there best to stop it but in turn they have caused more violence because I honestly feel like killing something now.
Oh well Steam should still have it.
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*Places a Baseball cap on your head and slaps a hotdog in your hand covered in sugary ketchup* Welcome to America!AWC Viper said:
Once you sign up officially for citizenship. You also have to mandatorily go through a face where you love the latest pop icon for at least a month, but they don't always enforce that.AWC Viper said:
*facepalm* Australia's Office of Film and Literature Classification is officially the greatest enemy of gamers here down under (my god, i can't believe i just said the words 'down under'). And yes, im well aware that they are only doing there job and that the real blame is the whole lack of an R18+ Rating for games (I swear, the sooner we get that the better). I don't know where on earth im going with all this...but i guess i just wanted to say is that it just downright sucks that we aren't getting L4D2.
As an Australian i am really freaking pissed off! i WANT that game so much.. and will someone explain why they didn't ban the two condemned games which had the most brutal combat ever in a video game yet this game is banned?! the worst part is the ratings classification board is not a bunch of greedy bureaucrats but they think there doing the right thing when all they are doing is pissing off law abiding citizens! i seriously can't emphasize how incredibly pissed off i am!!!!!!!!