Lesbian Marriage Too Tough For Batwoman, Authors Leave

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DeimosMasque

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rhodo said:
Bha.
Show me a male gay marriage with a major superhero, THEN I will be impressed.

Wether they do the Batwoman lesbian marriage or not... it's still fanservice for males.
Yeah that just shows me you've never read a single story involving Batwoman. She isn't some lipstick lesbian all dressed up sexy so that guys can go "yeah that's hot." Her sexuality is her sexuality, that is all. She's not fanservice and never has been since her first modern appearance in 2006.
 

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Karloff said:
As a by-the-by, a lot of people are saying that the issue wasn't lesbian marriage but any marriage - apparently DC's not very keen on any marriages at the moment, probably because they don't want to pull a "One More Day" in order to undo them later.

Assuming these Twitter accounts are legit, they seem to back up that claim.

https://twitter.com/GailSimone/status/375529913975341056
 

tmande2nd

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Eh get back to me when Batwoman makes a deal with the devil to get out of her lesbian marriage.
Then tell me a story sucks.
 

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my guess is this has nothing to do with it being a "lesbian" marriage and just being a marriage, none of the female leads in comics wind up married because it's too hard to explain how they have a new love interest 3 months later. marriage in comics constitutes something semi-imutable. think of all the characters that die only to be brought back 3 issues later they always want an opening to backpeddle with. marriage is harder to escape from (in comics) than death. i'm still disapointed in dc for retconning rene montoya out of being the question, that was an amazing story that gave her character such depth, her and batwoman being occasional lovers was cool too. this whole new 52 thing is just not working out very well.
 

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Ukomba said:
Peter Parker, Mary Jane, One More Day

That is all.
For those who don't know, Comics don't like to marry people anymore. It closes off certain avenues of stories that other creators might want to tell and while stupid, is probably the main reason DC said no. I seriously doubt it really had anything to do with them being lesbians, (even though that is controversial) They didn't allow it to happen because they didn't want a One More Day happening down the road, or having to retcon her marriage in some stupid way. It's stupid, and it is the reason we don't have Peter Parker married to Mary Jane, but it is the way things are.
 

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So let me get this straight. The two authors behind Batwoman have effectively rage-quit their job because DC Comics will not allow them to write the titular character into a narrative dead-end corner, at which point they will end their run and ride off into the sunset. No doubt leaving the next author with the truly thankless task of upsetting the status quo and making the title interesting once again.

But one mention of gay marriage and suddenly DC Comics is a queer-hatin' super villain. Riiight.
 

Nadia Castle

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DC Comics editorial team has been running their business into the ground for a long long time. Marvel share of the market has been gaining at the expense of DC for along time despite some horrendous editorial mandates of their own. It seems that Marvel have accepted that 90% of their market are dedicated adult readers whilst DC clings to the idea that they have to be as generic and flat as possible to appeal to a mass market that doesn't exist. Every time they hire a great writer they immediately cripple what they can do so they may as well have just hired some hack for half the cost.

Their also not exactly helping their public image out after defending their decision to hire card carrying homophobe Orson Scott Card then refusing to allow one of their few LGBT character to get married. Even if I suspect their actually just a group of phenomenal idiots it doesn't bode well.
 

Rex Fallout

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Nadia Castle said:
DC Comics editorial team has been running their business into the ground for a long long time. Marvel share of the market has been gaining at the expense of DC for along time despite some horrendous editorial mandates of their own. It seems that Marvel have accepted that 90% of their market are dedicated adult readers whilst DC clings to the idea that they have to be as generic and flat as possible to appeal to a mass market that doesn't exist. Every time they hire a great writer they immediately cripple what they can do so they may as well have just hired some hack for half the cost.

Their also not exactly helping their public image out after defending their decision to hire card carrying homophobe Orson Scott Card then refusing to allow one of their few LGBT character to get married. Even if I suspect their actually just a group of phenomenal idiots it doesn't bode well.
The title is misleading. (Although DC is stupid) They aren't refusing to let it happen because she is gay, they are refusing to let it happen because it means that she is written into a corner, and DC is afraid of marriage like it has the cooties. It's the main reason why Aquaman isn't 'technically' married to his queen. Its fucking ridiculous.
 

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That's so bizarre.

So sex and violence are okay because they are temporary.

And death and marriage aren't because they potentially longer and hard to write your way out of. When put like that I see their issue, however I still think its a lame and says a lot about why DC and Marvel kinda suck creatively and while they hire great artists and writers, I have much less time for most of their works.

They want to expand the audience but yet still restrict it. Good luck with more of those half hearted attempts, DC.
 

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Batwoman is into chicks?

I did not know this.

Then again, I didn't really know there was a Batwoman. I thought she got paralyzed... or something? Or is this one of them alternate universe things?

Eh, comics.
Her paralysis was retconned a few years ago. But I'm sure there're 20 other alternate universes where she's fat, dead or riding a dinosaur. Because comics!
 

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K12 said:
I assume that you will reverse your position when one of the other straight DC characters get married by the way?
No because that wouldn't prove that the reason Batwoman doesn't get married is because she's a lesbian. Wedon't know what DC has planned for the character.

Oh and the fact that even the writers have said it's the marriage thing DC have a problem with, not that it's a gay marriage should have been a hint. But then there's no time for five seconds of research when there's outrage to be had now is there? iterally the only thing in this entire story that points to homophobia is the headline of this article which is grossly sensationalist and should be changed.
I'm not going to repeat what I said in my last comment. I think the idea that a gay marriage would get quashed for homophobic reasons is far from being a big leap. A skimming of the article and subject suggest homophobia but in this case there is another dumb reason for it. Fine, I said I was wrong and the article was misleading, thank you for correcting me.

This definitely hasn't made me want to get into comic books though. I'm already put off by the complete lack of evolution and the prevailing status quo (plus random slate cleaning and retconning) but if they have such stupid arbitrary rules like "no weddings" then that's just daft.
 

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Hey guys, I would really like to know how a wedding story can actually be made interesting.

Thus far I've heard a reasonable arguement on DC's behalf saying that a marriage could write a character into a corner.

On the other hand, I've heard arguments against this decision are
Homophobia accusations,
DC has a history of avoiding marriage (to pander to sex crazed boys)

No, Seriously. Justify to me a wedding story without the handicap of waving minority status flags.
 

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I'm just thinking it's not what it looks like on the surface and what the ever so progressive youth of today are calling out on exactly lol...might be something more simple like "eh, we just don't want to deal with another freaking wedding" bit from the execs, but that's already been said I think. Bet the folk who quit are happy to have the Internet at their back though. At any rate, this does give DC even more press than a lesbian wedding. They probably need it anyway lol
 

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Rex Fallout said:
Ukomba said:
Peter Parker, Mary Jane, One More Day

That is all.
For those who don't know, Comics don't like to marry people anymore. It closes off certain avenues of stories that other creators might want to tell and while stupid, is probably the main reason DC said no. I seriously doubt it really had anything to do with them being lesbians, (even though that is controversial) They didn't allow it to happen because they didn't want a One More Day happening down the road, or having to retcon her marriage in some stupid way. It's stupid, and it is the reason we don't have Peter Parker married to Mary Jane, but it is the way things are.
Exactly so. One more day is one of the best known examples, but super hero marriages are always doomed. It's not always as dramatic as that. Superman's marriage was quietly retconed in the 2011 relaunch. There are some other bad ones, like Roy Harper, who's marriage was not only broken up, but his daughter from that marriage was killed.

So this just seems more like an anti-marriage thing than an anti gay thing.