Let?s Get Off the Xbone Hate-Train Already

[Madman123456]

I hate all the new consoles equally.

With earlier cycles we could buy new machines and got nicer graphics, better sound, better everything.

Now if we do better graphics it's from the elite from the elitists AAA club, the people who search the broadest of audiences.
And then it will look just slightly better at best. It's entirely possible that these new graphics are used to get make games with even more gritty realism which would result in them looking actually worse.

But i can't hate the games before i see them, right? Well, i can hate the fact that companies expect me to pay 400 bucks to play new games that look, sound and play quite similar to the old ones (if we're lucky).
I don't really need new hardware to play new games, i got the hardware right here, it's my PC.

One might argue that the steam platform does some things similar to the hated Xbone features before they canceled them but i let steam get away with that because even if i take the inability to sell used games into account and buy only those games of which i am absolutely sure that i will play them for hundreds of hours and therefore get my money's worth (which i do) i will grow old and die before i have played every game that i'd play on steam. And they wont stop having new games on there for quite some time.
Also, there's the alternative of gog.com.
You could probably play games and just skip this entire console generation.


Another thing i do not like is the lack of backwards compatibility. In the olden days, we didn't have that, we had to buy adapters for the genesis/megadrive to play master system games and there was the super gameboy with which you could play gameboy games on the snes.

So now we have arrived at 20 years ago.
Wonderful.
Especially with Microsoft who boasted that the XBox one would be a device to take over the living room.
There's this other device that has a special function people often like to use and it was made by microsoft.
The xbox360 has a place in many living rooms and people who like to play the 360 games can not have the xbone "take over the living room!".

The statement was false anyways because you just can't make a device that does everything that every device in your living room does. Would be kinda hard to have any xbox play playstation games.
But if you make a statement that has been rendered false before you made it by a device made by your own company then i will not give you my money.


About the kinect: I threw many joypads away because they where unreliable. If Microsoft makes a kinect that reads 95% of my movements correctly it still wouldn't be good enough.
If it where, i'd still be reluctant because i'm lazy. Instead of flailing around and looking even more like an idiot i'd rather be pushing buttons.

About "social integration": Don't care. I'm getting the impression that executives are developing this medium right past me in a direction they assume today's "youth" is going.

You can't catch my attention with a "share" button with nebulous functions. Is this a record button that will record footage of my game onto the harddrive for later editing? Does it open up a menu in which i can choose from options like "post my score on facebook", "record my game for editing" or "host livestream"?

Is the "youth" going to fall for promises without knowing what those promises actually are? I hope not.
I hope people who think about buying on of the new consoles would demand more information first. Will i have to link up my social networking accounts with a mandatory console account?
Could be a problem, i have no facebook.
I actually read the license agreement there and was like "Nope!".




So the new consoles have better graphics but with the money that rendering anything costs for today's machines the better graphics will be even more exclusive to the biggest companies.
The new generation will also have many features that i don't need or want.


Frankly, i don't see the appeal of any of the new consoles.

 

[NoeL]

theyre attempt to get even more money out of us backfired, so they re-evaluated and changed the system so they wouldnt lose any more money.

whatever they did or didnt do, at no point were your feelings and personal interpretation microsoft's point of interest. everything they do they do to make money, and their biggest failure was announcing features that so poorly disguised that goal.

Basically this. While I'm totally ok, both in principle and in the case of XBone, with companies deciding to aim for a new market demographic, the way they conducted themselves regarding the design of the machine and how they presented it to the world showed nothing but utter disdain for the gaming segment they've just came from. The Xbox One isn't a gaming console - it's a home media centre that also caters to gamers. It's target audience isn't gamers, it's people that consume entertainment (TV, movies, and games) primarily in their living room. And that's a healthy market to target, and will probably sell quite well there. The problem was that they were more than willing to compromise their current market (i.e. gamers) in hopes of landing bigger fish, and that ridiculously bad oversight came back to bite them on the arse - losing a huge chunk of the gaming revenue they just took for granted. They panicked and reneged on their strategy, but the damage was done. They'll likely recoup some of their losses in the coming years, but their turnover in the gaming segment will never be as high as they anticipated.

In short, gamers are no longer their primary concern. I wish them luck in the entertainment segment, but as a gamer, they can go fuck themselves - I'm not buying your piece of shit product because you've made it abundantly clear I'm nothing more than an afterthought.

I'd like to contrast the Xbone with what Nintendo attempted with the Wii. Like Microsoft, Nintendo decided to aim for a different market demographic than they did with previous consoles - notably they wanted to appeal to "non gamers". But where Nintendo got it (mostly) right and MS got it so, so wrong is that Nintendo never intentionally compromised their core market. Nintendo's aim was to bring more people into gaming, essentially expanding their core market rather than targeting a different one. In that way all their decisions were made for the purpose of enhancing the gaming experience, both for their current users and newcomers. They never turned their backs on customers regarding their vision. In practice, however, their lack of foresight and desire to keep costs low to help appeal to their new market resulted in them falling behind in the "hardcore" sector, which they tried but ultimately failed to address. So while they ended up letting down a good chunk of their prior audience, they never gave the impression that they just didn't give a shit about them...

... that is until the Wii U hit, and despite their promise to reclaim the market they lost with the Wii it looks like they've again come out with a severely underpowered system (which was my greatest fear when they first announced the console). If third parties can't easily port their XBO/PS4 games to the Wii U, they won't. I'm still more interested in the Wii U than the other two consoles (I might pick up a PS4 though, depending on what cool games don't get a PC release) but you dun fucked up again Nintendo. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on you... again.

 

[Subscriptism]

Stop trying to justify Microsoft's sticky fingered intrusion into our gaming. Sell us the consoles and leave us the fuck alone.

The point of all the yelling and fuss was that all these implementations restricted, limited and extended a fist of control over us when no benefit of it was to us, they intentionally implemented features that made the experience worse for us so they could wring a couple more pennies out of us. They intended to profit more, through selling an inferior product.

That's what people hate and it CAN'T be justified.

 

[HellbirdIV]

I think it?s about time us ?gamers? stop hating Microsoft?s Xbox One console.

I'll stop hating on the XBone when Microsoft scraps the whole project and replaces it with a fucking video-game console.

 

[FieryTrainwreck]

Microsoft deserves every ounce of flak they received, and I hope they learned from it.

That said, most of my issues with the console have been resolved. They scrapped the 24-hour check-ins. They ditched the one-sided licensing model. They're preparing to open up their draconian indie publishing.

The only remaining hurtle, to my mind, is the Kinect. As a peripheral, I think it has potential, and the additional cost isn't a deal-breaker. But I have zero interest in providing MS and their partners with any of my personal information. Ever. If I can immediately and permanently opt-out of any such data mining, I'll consider buying one if/when enough particularly compelling exclusives shows up. On the other hand, if I cannot reliably opt-out of the data mining with strong and legally binding assurances, I will literally never touch this console. Period. I'm simply never going to put a camera/microphone in my home without total control over what and to whom it reports.

 

[Gunner 51]

Sorry OP, but I shall have to disagree with you.

Any company that rips people off and almost appears proud of it is one that doesn't desrve custom. The Xbone is certainly the poster boy of corporate arrogance IMO. While Microsoft went into damage control mode, and are now offering free games and removing so many of the "features" that had put so many gamer's noses out of joint - the damage has been done.

While there's a lot of hate directed at the Xbone, the soul of that hatred is more about drawing a line in the sand and saying "No more" to corporations ripping people off and removing ownership of things that the gamers have paid for and in my eyes, own.

 

[Savagezion]

First, read RJ 17's post back on page 1 where he saves me time addressing my problems with your bulletpoints of how the original XBone was "so bad".

Was this a victory for us as consumers? Did we ?stick it to the man?? Yes, we did. We showed Microsoft that we weren?t afraid to say, ?We matter.? We weren?t afraid to demonstrate that we as consumers are important. Congrats to us. I hope that this is a lesson to every major corporation, reminding them all that the consumer matters.

During my victory party I couldn?t help feel a little melancholy. I, unlike it seems many other gamers didn?t mind xbone?s DRM rules, I was very excited for the xbone?s family sharing feature. I honestly felt like Microsoft was trying to push the industry forward. Innovate in ways that the other Big 2 didn?t. I thought what they were trying to do was a great step forward in the future of gaming. After all, we are going to be stuck with these consoles for the next 10 years or so.

... WTF? So ...you thought Xbone was good stuff pre-180 maneuver... and yet them reversing you saw as a victory for you? How does that even make sense? How can you think the original Xbone is good for the industry and then they change it due to backlash and you are like "YAY! I won victory, I matter"?. You are either pandering to or patronizing others to seem more empathetic. SO that you can ask for their empathy.

Maybe I rambled there for a page or so, or maybe I just wanted to get the record straight. It?s gut wrenching reading comments about how horrible the Xbone was going to be. I think I made my tongue bleed by biting it so much. And even now, after the infamous ?180? people are still on the Xbone hate train and it just doesn?t make any sense.

It makes as much sense as you throwing a victory party for yourself supposedly for biting your tongue and not saying anything when you were OK with the stuff on the original XBone while many consumers vocalized their concerns.

Microsoft has completely forsaken the entire direction of Xbone because the majority of us gamers said we didn?t want it, and yet, most of us gamers don?t care, we believe Microsoft has already dug their grave. To that I say? ?Ugh?.

You got proof that most gamers didn't care? We did more than say it. We acted accordingly and wrote the check for zero dollars everyone's metaphorical ass can afford to cash. Your side, who was cool with Xbone, didn't do enough. That is why it was reversed. Microsoft held out for a while to give your side ample time to show up and no one did.

In terms of Day one games, looks like Xbone: 4, PS4: 3. They are so close together that really it comes down to your preference in games. It?s this that makes the consoles stand out from each other. Not hardware not specs, but the games. For me, I was a huge fan of Killer Instinct, and I really enjoyed Dead Rising, so it?s a no-brainer. Xbone for me

I?m just tired of hearing people hate on Microsoft so much. They haven?t dug their grave, they attempted to innovate and quickly realized we weren?t ready for that, we didn?t want that right now. Your decision should be based on what makes the consoles different, the games.

For me PS3 started out as the long joke of "haz no gamez" and now by the end of the lifecycle they have about 10-12 exclusive franchises I give a crap about over the 360's 1-3. I LOVED Killer Instinct back in the day. But nowadays I don't play many fighting games and they kinda missed the boat to exploit that one on me. That IP is 20 years old next year. I guess it is better late than never but that ship already sailed for me. They need a trick of nostalgia to win some goodwill back, which is fine. But it is too late for me to care personally.

I?m not a Microsoft fanboy. I?m planning on getting both consoles eventually. There is no way I?m missing out on Naughty Dogs next game, especially after The Last of Us. Give me another Jak game, or even Sly Cooper and I?m like putty in your hands. Keep it about the games person, that?s what?s important here.

TLDR: Xbone wasn?t so bad with DRM restrictions. Made Sense. Xbone and PS4 too similar to compare, decide based on the games, which is most important. Not a Xbox Fanboy. fuckyaNaughtyDog

How did Naughty dog make it into your TLDR off 2 sentences. And why is it "fuckyanaughtydog" when both statements are positive? Seriously, you make no sense.

Overall, I am not sold on either console for next gen yet. Wii-U has sold me more than the other two so far and I don't plan to pick one of those up soon either. I am a Sony fan but they haven't sold me yet on the PS4. Xbone aint't even close to selling me almost as if they haven't tried. Nintendo has almost sold me but still not quite. What you'll probably take away from that is that I hate the Xbone. When in actuality I just simply see no reason to buy one.

 

[TomWiley]

CHOO CHOO!

The Xbone 180 has the following faults: It's expensive
The kinnect spies on you
No backwards compatibility
You need to pay to play online
Microsoft has no respect for their customers

That said the PS4 shares some of these traits as well. Overall I recomend spending the $500 you'll save from the Xbone 180 on a graphics card and ram.

Comments like these are so very hilarious because they prove beyond a doubt that the commenter didn't even take the time to read the OP's post.

The only thing I would wish of the Xbox One haters is to stop calling it the "XBone". I hate stuff too, but at least I don't make immature petty insults at it because I don't like it.

Its not just "haters" that call it the Xbone, the haters now call it the Xbox 180. The Xbone is just short for X Box ONE. Its not really a petty insult.

No, but it is without a doubt the most stupid abbreviation possible. What's the point of shortening down a word when you still end up with five letters?

Why even short it down to begin with?

Can admit the name is weird though, but let's face it: we consumers don't know a shit about marketing. It's the same with WiiU. I think it sounds retarded, but it's the name of several years of market research, focus groups and customer segment analytics.

Its' catchy, it's memorable, it gets people talking. The analytics knows it doesn't matter if it sounds retarded, they know better than us what grabs are attention.

 

[Evil Smurf]

CHOO CHOO!

The Xbone 180 has the following faults: It's expensive
The kinnect spies on you
No backwards compatibility
You need to pay to play online
Microsoft has no respect for their customers

That said the PS4 shares some of these traits as well. Overall I recomend spending the $500 you'll save from the Xbone 180 on a graphics card and ram.

Comments like these are so very hilarious because they prove beyond a doubt that the commenter didn't even take the time to read the OP's post.

The only thing I would wish of the Xbox One haters is to stop calling it the "XBone". I hate stuff too, but at least I don't make immature petty insults at it because I don't like it.

Its not just "haters" that call it the Xbone, the haters now call it the Xbox 180. The Xbone is just short for X Box ONE. Its not really a petty insult.

No, but it is without a doubt the most stupid abbreviation possible. What's the point of shorting down a word when you still end up with five letters?

Why even short it down to begin with?

Can admit the name is weird though, but let's face it: we consumers don't know a shit about marketing. It's the same with WiiU. I think it sounds retarded, but it's the name of several years of market research, focus groups and customer segment analytics.

Its' catchy, it's memorable, it gets people talking. The analytics knows it doesn't matter if it sounds retarded, they know better than us what grabs are attention.

I did read it. I'm just giving reasons not to get off the hate train.

 

[Lightknight]

I agree except for one thing, this is a member of the media and this is your launch. This isn't some little back room comment that you make against one particular consumer which happens to get recorded, it wasn't even a secret interview that he didn't know was being recorded so he thought he could be a dick and get away with it. This was an openly recorded interview at your big launch party. This is the time you should MOST be thinking about PR and everything should be nice and friendly to get sales. The way he treated that interview WAS a reflection of there attack on consumers because it showed that they thought they didn't even need to hide there nasty side, they could air it publicly and STILL people would buy it.

On the face of it, that's totally correct. This is the major launch and that is your media, yeah. But I think they were already confused by just how negative the response was. I think they'd been dazed. This may have just been a human reaction.

I forgot something. I forgot the article where Microsoft stated that they were expecting bad reactions to these changes but their studies showed that customers wouldn't really care about the details when it comes time to purchase. That was the first thing that really hit me. That they saw us largely as big dumb money bags. Frankly, I'm ok being seen as a dollar sign to a company. But dumb and uninformed. A customer who is always wrong unless I can gather enough clout to wound them financially? Why would I give that company money any time soon? Or, in this case that department since the individual departments of MS might as well be different companies.

 

[TomWiley]

Microsoft deserves every ounce of flak they received, and I hope they learned from it.

But that's just the point isn't it? Whas the flak even deserved to begin with? If much of the criticism was based on straight out misinformation, such as the Kinect-spybox bullshit, then it most certainly wasn't deserved.

That's what we need to discuss here: Was the criticism based on a fair evaluation of their policies or good old Internet sensationalism and injudicious ?moral outbursts??

I gotta say, from looking over the comments of this thread, seeing half of the people replying that "well I'm still gonna fucking it because I want to" and the other half hilariously repeating the very talking-points that the OP dismantled in his original post, my guess is on the latter.

I did read it. I'm just giving reasons not to get off the hate train.

How can you say that you read it when you just wrote the "Kinect spying on you" as a reason for not liking the Xbox One despite the fact that the OP already wrote in his post that the Kinect WOULDN'T spy on you?

You are just proving his point by showing that your decision to dislike the Xbox One is based on misinformation - exactly the kind of misinformation the OP claimed that people erroneously believe in.

 

[Patathatapon]

I'm just gunna say it,

My main thing against the XO is that it's not my PC.

I know that sounds fuckin retarted, but my PC can play games from a few million years ago (Tiberium Sun, Deus Ex, System Shock 2, Grim Fandango, etc). I'm used to having an internet connect 80% of them time, but there have been times I couldn't use the internet for a week at a time. But hey, I can STILL play my steam games! I don't need to be online, just need to have it installed.

Now let me say this, to me, the XO, PS4, Wii U, can all go suck a dick. Why? Last gen, I used each for 10 games at Max (not including GameCube games from Wii), so paying an estimated $1200 for all the consoles again seems like a waste. Hell, I could upgrade my PC with that money.

One thing I will say, is that despite what I've said, the no backwards compatibility thing (Excluding Wii U, I got a Wii, and it plays GC games) is what really made me not want the consoles. PC, I can play all the games I want. I may have to take a few measures to run them differently, but no matter how old they are, I can play them.

I wouldn't call myself a steam fanboy either. Direct me to another really good software, and I'll check it out.

 

[TomWiley]

You do know the "Family Sharing" was just a glorified demo right? The people who were given the game through that only got to play it for about an hour.

Also the DRM restrictions are stupid. Just because they won't affect you negatively, doesn't mean it won't affect other people negatively.

Sorry, I have this disorder where I feel the compulsive need to correct people on the Internet.

The whole "glorified demo"-thing comes from a completely anonymous comment posted by someone who claimed to be a Microsoft employee, so that information is completely unfounded.

 

[w9496]

The only thing I would wish of the Xbox One haters is to stop calling it the "XBone". I hate stuff too, but at least I don't make immature petty insults at it because I don't like it.

Its not just "haters" that call it the Xbone, the haters now call it the Xbox 180. The Xbone is just short for X Box ONE. Its not really a petty insult.

Most people I've heard call it that say it's because Microsoft is boning their customers with it. I'd call that an insult.

 

[Hero of Lime]

Ok, I would rather get on the COLE TRAIN BABY!!! WHOOOOOO!

Ahem, anyway I won't get the Xbox One anytime soon. I still think the system is a pretty lousy console, but I believe Microsoft could possibly redeem themselves, but I doubt it. Plus, I'm still worried they could re-reverse their policies after a few years, in which case I would stay far away from the system. This may be a Wii U and PS4 only generation if things continue to go this way, but I do hold a little hope Microsoft makes the Xbox One attractive enough to buy.

(I hope no ninjas already did the Cole Train joke, I'm too lazy to check every other response at the moment.)

 

[Anthony Corrigan]

they have still failed to follow the basic guidelines for how a company should apologize

They haven't said SORRY or that they were wrong, instead they are still pushing that they were right and we just didn't appreciate it enough

they have only partially fixed the problem which is step 2

and they have done nothing to make it up to consumers which is step 3 (for example the free games sony gave away over the PSN)