Let's Play : Hearts of Iron 3 - [Entry 20 - Atop Mountain Peaks]

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BrotherSurplice

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Octorok said:
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Oh snap. First Russia, now the British Empire! I cannot wait to see those A-bombs and jet fighters either.

As for where to attack next, I'd say you should continue on into the far east. Just nuke the US into oblivion when you get the chance.
 

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I've loved the series so far, sad it's going to be ending soon.

Order of attacking:
China, then Australia, get Canada or whatever you need to nuke the US, ???, Nuke US
 

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OK. I'm pretty busy today (I'm on UK time, so it's Saturday morning), but I'll try to get the update up today.

I don't rightly know why I took so long to type it up. I had all of the content prepared, and I had the free time. Guess it just slipped my mind. See, that's the kind of devotion and hard work I can consistently deliver, for a moderate fee.

Fangv2 said:
I've loved the series so far, sad it's going to be ending soon.

Order of attacking:
China, then Australia, get Canada or whatever you need to nuke the US, ???, Nuke US
Don't be disheartened. There's still a good number of entries left to do, and after I decide it's over, we shall discuss my next project.

Note : Please, try to avoid pitching ideas for the next LP until after this one is finished. That way I can keep track of votes and suggestions, and present you with a definitive list of games that I own/am willing to LP/would make good LPs.

Between then and now, commence girlish excitement and possibly some childlike glee as you try to contain your anticipation of the next LP.
 

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[HEADING=2]Entry 20 - Atop Mountain Peaks[/HEADING]

Note : Crikey, it's been a busy week. Hopefully I'll be able to catch up on my missed schedule in the coming days.


Time to move fast. I establish a battle line (as best as I can) Northwest of Madras and begin breaking the Chinese pocket there.

I need to cut through here as fast as possible so that I can get to the Northern front before they take half of India out from under me.


Meanwhile, the Allies are attempting to retake Calcutta. I just need them to hold out a bit longer...


100,000 men are rushing to Calcutta's aid, and to push the Chinese out of India. The Chinese have, mercifully, stopped advancing to deal with the threat to their flank - the tired, badly-beaten men of the 4th Marine Corps.


While the Allies retreat in disarray on the Western border.


Back in France, I load up 2 Panzer divisions, to be shipped to East Africa. After defeating the Portuguese, it shouldn't be hard to head down to Cape Town and show the South Africans what it means to wage war against me.


With the naval base made of nothing but rubble and wreckage, the supplies in Calcutta are vanishing fast. It was always only a matter of time before the brutal weight of Allied numbers would reclaim the city.


The 100,000 men of Calcutta are in Allied hands now. Their sacrifice will not be forgotten.


I need to halt the Chinese advance where it is. To this end, I'm flying 40,000 Paratroopers to Burma to begin a new type of war. Behind-enemy-lines attacks on Chinese supply.


I land in Yunnan, quickly moving over the mountains to take this vital strip of land from the Allies.

As long as I hold Yunnan, the Chinese supply trucks cannot get through.


The pocket north of Madras collapses entirely, and I rush the men upwards, to meet the Chinese threat at Calcutta.


Hmm. The Americans have either taken men out from Vietnam (bad) or landed a fresh force (worse) in Asia.

The only pleasing thought about this is that an American division needs its supplies just the same as a Chinese one.


The Panzers land in Portguese East Africa. Maybe, possibly, a surrender is in view...?


GAH! I simply cannot figure this out. I have minutely scoured the map. Portugal does still own territory, but no Victory Provinces. Why won't these bastards just surrender already? Sheer bloody-mindedness?

I actually have to boot up a game as Portugal to see the problem.


Just a short plane journey from my shores, the Portuguese own some small, insignificant islands.

These little sets of islands are worth as much to Portugal as Lisbon. Methinks the game is trolling once again.


Sitrep on the Afghanistan situation. I'm pushing from the East with 3 divisions.


Forces from India are meeting up with troops from Persia near Karachi and pushing North.


And I've united my front in the North and am pushing the Allies back.

There's a minimum of 37 divisions trapped here, probably closer to 45. Almost half a million men, caught in the world's biggest pincer movement.


For the first time, the supply situation goes my way, even for just a few days.

The Chinese fall back as our fronts meet, with 150,000 men on their way to Burma.


Having now seen the problem with Portugal, I begin the invasion of South Africa. Happily, it seems that all of their troops are on the other coast, since the road to Durban looks pretty clear.


When I take Dali, Yunnan will surrender, cutting China off. The entire region here, extending west all the way to the front near Delhi, is nothing but mountains. It makes movement agonisingly slow, even for tanks and mobile divisions.


I begin the vast movement of ships back to France, in preparation for the planned 1946 invasion of North America.


I retake Calcutta, as the slow, lumbering column of defending infantry retires East.


After a brief battle, the Paratroopers off the coast of Europe accept the surrender of the Portuguese Empire.


With a single division, I beat back the Allied force at Nepal, soon to take the nation.


I take the port of Durban as I press on the South Africans from both sides. Since my forces on the other coast are more mobile than theirs, I should be able to cut the retreat of at least two or three divisions.


Yunnan surrenders, cutting off supply to the Chinese forces in Burma and India. Now, we'll see what these irregulars are made of.


Soon, the Allied forces are surrendering en masse around Calcutta.


At Sundarbans, the huge Allied force you saw (the one comprised mostly of Greeks and Danes for some inexplicable reason) surrenders. After months of warfare in the city, only 53,000 remain as prisoners, out of the original 133,000.


Nepal surrenders.


I've got 'em on the ropes now. Not long before this Chinese army stops thrashing about and just gives in.


The South Africans have no taste for war, apparently. I drive into Johannesburg without a shot fired.

The plan is to stick to the coast, where it's a bit flatter, hit Port Elizabeth before planting the German flag in Cape Town.


Whew. Breathe. Time to stop just building and to take action. I deploy another 360,000 Marines in France, and soon ship them off to the Icelandic naval complexes.

It's a daunting task. I have to hit fast enough that I can secure a position and a supply chain, but I also have to hit a location close enough to Greenland and Iceland.

It's a nightmare to plan. I had an idea in the back of my head that I could always just deploy nukes on the US if everything went bad, but I've had to throw that plan out. The Americans have rapidly sped up their nuclear program, to the point where it's a neck-and-neck race to deploy a working nuclear device first.

Basically, I can either play "safe" and hit Northeastern Canada, where I have dominance and an easy battle, but there are virtually no strong naval bases to maintain supply until Halifax.

Or, I can play a gamble, and aim for Boston and the Northeastern United States, where my position would be a lot more uncertain militarily, but I could guarantee a good naval base and easy access to the Industrial heart of America - the East Coast.

Please, feel free to add your suggestions in your comments. The opinion of anyone who's ever tried an invasion of N. America (ideally in the game, but real life works too) would be most welcome.


I have now pushed the Chinese out of India, into the new front - Burma.


At the same time, the Allies break in Afghanistan. Hundreds of thousands of Allied prisoners are taken.


The Americans and the Canadians land in force in Burma. On the one hand, it's an imbuggerance. I'll have to take men off the attack against the Chinese, losing all momentum and allowing them time to prepare a counterattack, to meet the new threat.

On the other hand, I find it almost comical. I'm about to show the world the true meaning of the words "naval invasion".


Bhutan surrenders. I know it seems like a small victory, but a remarkable proportion of the Allied force is made up of these little Empire states.


I'm pulling the nearest available 10 divisions South in Burma, to Rangoon. It's going to be tough. I can't spare any ships, nor can I get my Indian forces into Burma fast enough. Maybe some Paratrooper support, but nothing like the numbers I'll need to fight these two fronts.

I must prepare for the very real possibility of a retreat from Burma mere weeks after I entered it.

END OF ENTRY 20

Well, chaps/chappettes? Thoughts on the entry, or the complex problem of invading North America?
 

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North America is going to be a painful thing to manage; I suspect you will need to make sure you do not, under any circumstances get distracted with entirely running that campaign and allow the Allies to murderise you in the east.
How much more steam do you think China has in it? Also, what are the USSR (basically Siberia now) up to. Oh and how are the Japanese doing? Last we heard, terribly, but that was a few updates ago.

Oh and P.S, kill all the construction workers in New York so that one of them can't start a massive single-handed insurgency against you; you know how New Yorkers are, especially in video games...
 

BrotherSurplice

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Damn shame that this campaign is coming to a close soon(ish), but ah well, it couldn't last forever.

As for invading North America, I'm way out of my depth here. For what it's worth, I reckon you should hit them where it hurts; hit the east coast really hard and really fast. If it fails, you have an entire empire to fall back on.
 

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Damn shame that this campaign is coming to a close soon(ish), but ah well, it couldn't last forever.

As for invading North America, I'm way out of my depth here. For what it's worth, I reckon you should hit them where it hurts; hit the east coast really hard and really fast. If it fails, you have an entire empire to fall back on.
OK. Strictly speaking, I have enough men to land in Canada and the US simultaneously, I just could not manage the logistics of an operation that large. Half the men would be out of supplies in a few weeks.

RuralGamer said:
North America is going to be a painful thing to manage; I suspect you will need to make sure you do not, under any circumstances get distracted with entirely running that campaign and allow the Allies to murderise you in the east.
How much more steam do you think China has in it? Also, what are the USSR (basically Siberia now) up to. Oh and how are the Japanese doing? Last we heard, terribly, but that was a few updates ago.

Oh and P.S, kill all the construction workers in New York so that one of them can't start a massive single-handed insurgency against you; you know how New Yorkers are, especially in video games...
I think that Nationalist China (there are still one or two Chinese states left, that have not yet entered the war) is on its last legs. What I saw from the attack on Yunnan was that they can really only muster the militia units that they left behind in China, and that the majority of their army has already been destroyed/cut off from supply in India and Burma.

I can't really speak for the USSR. Our Non-Aggression Pact runs out anytime soon, and they will have been building up their industry in the years since Barbarossa, however, I'm not sure if they can yet supply that huge military yet.

Japan has basically left the war. Having been pushed out of Korea and Vietnam, and having lost most of their army in Manchuria, they are not capable of doing anything to anyone, except the occasionally naval skirmish with the USA.

If they invade China just as I'm finished them up, and try to steal my rightfully-conquered soil, I will be mighty, mighty pissed off.
 

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All right, it looks like this game will have a nice climax. Nazi Germany VS US. The big showdown.
 

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Try and get a new non agression pact with USSR otherwise while your fighting in america USSR may randomly attack you and stretch your armys making it impossible to beat america.

I also had a problem with portugals small islands off there coast i was spain and had taken portugal and most of portugese africa when the usa landed at least 150,000 plus men on those small islands and they stayed as portugese islands even though the usa were there. so i thought they must have an alliance with portugal but they had no alliance at all so i tried to land on the islands to claim them but then the U.S. claimed a day which will live in infamy a suprise attack on them by republican spain and knowing the U.S.A they flooded Spain with men and easily defeated me .

Also in your game what are italy doing?
 

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GiantSloth123 said:
Try and get a new non agression pact with USSR otherwise while your fighting in america USSR may randomly attack you and stretch your armys making it impossible to beat america.

I also had a problem with portugals small islands off there coast i was spain and had taken portugal and most of portugese africa when the usa landed at least 150,000 plus men on those small islands and they stayed as portugese islands even though the usa were there. so i thought they must have an alliance with portugal but they had no alliance at all so i tried to land on the islands to claim them but then the U.S. claimed a day which will live in infamy a suprise attack on them by republican spain and knowing the U.S.A they flooded Spain with men and easily defeated me .

Also in your game what are italy doing?
I'm not so sure about the Soviets. Their problem is that their industry can in no way support an army of that size on the offensive. I'll look into another pact, however, and see how things are diplomatically between us.

Sucks about the US. Really pissed me off in my game. We were on good relations, and they were rapidly tilting towards the Axis since 50% of the population voted for our party, but suddenly they went for "Day Which Will Live In We're A Bunch Of Cocks Who Cheat".

Italy are doing bugger all. Their army is sitting passively in Libya/Italy, their navy in my naval bases in Spain. They've gained some territory in Yugoslavia, riding on my coattails, and they have some of Egypt left as well, since not all of Africa was covered under my territory claims.
 

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Octorok said:
GiantSloth123 said:
Try and get a new non agression pact with USSR otherwise while your fighting in america USSR may randomly attack you and stretch your armys making it impossible to beat america.

I also had a problem with portugals small islands off there coast i was spain and had taken portugal and most of portugese africa when the usa landed at least 150,000 plus men on those small islands and they stayed as portugese islands even though the usa were there. so i thought they must have an alliance with portugal but they had no alliance at all so i tried to land on the islands to claim them but then the U.S. claimed a day which will live in infamy a suprise attack on them by republican spain and knowing the U.S.A they flooded Spain with men and easily defeated me .

Also in your game what are italy doing?
I'm not so sure about the Soviets. Their problem is that their industry can in no way support an army of that size on the offensive. I'll look into another pact, however, and see how things are diplomatically between us.

Sucks about the US. Really pissed me off in my game. We were on good relations, and they were rapidly tilting towards the Axis since 50% of the population voted for our party, but suddenly they went for "Day Which Will Live In We're A Bunch Of Cocks Who Cheat".

Italy are doing bugger all. Their army is sitting passively in Libya/Italy, their navy in my naval bases in Spain. They've gained some territory in Yugoslavia, riding on my coattails, and they have some of Egypt left as well, since not all of Africa was covered under my territory claims.
Will you be able to coax Italy into attacking North America with you? I suppose every bit of cannon fodder helps.

Actually, thinking about it, had the US joined the Axis, I guess you'd have pretty much the entire world beneath your boot by now. Damn shame, that. Will you be invading South and East Asia and/or South America before you invade North America?
 

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Will you be able to coax Italy into attacking North America with you? I suppose every bit of cannon fodder helps.

Actually, thinking about it, had the US joined the Axis, I guess you'd have pretty much the entire world beneath your boot by now. Damn shame, that. Will you be invading South and East Asia and/or South America before you invade North America?
Not a chance of Italy helping me in any way that doesn't involve giving them territory in Africa. They did donate one division to Alexandria after I took it off the Italians in the British surrender, and they did help me push as far East as the Suez Canal, however they have no interest in actually fighting anybody.

As for other invasions - I'm trying to keep them as few as possible. I never intended to fight a protracted two-front war, since it will strain my supply network to breaking point (and possibly beyond). I have to defend Burma, and I think I can take on what's left of the Chinese army, but until I'm done with Canada and the US, I'd rather not attack South America or any "new" parts of Asia.
 

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How do leave\kick people out of a faction?

Also how do you get your goverment to have no elections
GiantSloth123 said:
how do you leave\kick people out of factions?
Well, I just checked the manual and Googled the faction question. As far as I know, factions are permament. With that exception I made of Vichy France (due to a "decision" overriding the faction mechanics), there's not much you can do to alter a faction's makeup.

As for elections, if you are playing a democracy then you need an Authoritarian party to win an election. You will then go into a national crisis (so don't do this if your National Unity is low), as the new party ends democracy in the state.

Now, I could go into how elections work (Popularity, Party Organisation, Proximity to Faction Members etc) but practically speaking, though, it would take a long time for a small chance at changing government type through elections the "fair" way, so just load up a game, save it, load a nation of the ideology you want (Communism, Fascism etc) and have them conduct a high priority spy mission on your nation to Support Our Party, save, load your country. That should speed up a change of government.

Oh, and if Dissent is high, it's possible that a party will lose power to a party of different ideology. So try lowering Consumer Goods to 0, it might destabilize the government.
 

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So try lowering Consumer Goods to 0, it might destabilize the government.
So you intentionally make your people miserable, which causes chaos, which lets you change your form of government?

That's goddamn hilarious.
 

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Octorok said:
So try lowering Consumer Goods to 0, it might destabilize the government.
So you intentionally make your people miserable, which causes chaos, which lets you change your form of government?

That's goddamn hilarious.
Hey, it was always the way in Total War. In Empire, you'd tax the crap out of one class, let them rebel, then you,d end up with one of three types of government depending on who rebelled.

Which in turn reminded me of Rome : Total War, where the most efficient solution to unhappiness due to "squalor" was to let the city rebel, recapture it, and slaughter half the population to make room for the rest of 'em.

Fun times...
 

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Octorok said:
Fat_Hippo said:
Octorok said:
So try lowering Consumer Goods to 0, it might destabilize the government.
So you intentionally make your people miserable, which causes chaos, which lets you change your form of government?

That's goddamn hilarious.
Hey, it was always the way in Total War. In Empire, you'd tax the crap out of one class, let them rebel, then you,d end up with one of three types of government depending on who rebelled.

Which in turn reminded me of Rome : Total War, where the most efficient solution to unhappiness due to "squalor" was to let the city rebel, recapture it, and slaughter half the population to make room for the rest of 'em.

Fun times...
I've never actually had a revolution in Empire: Total War.

1. I always kept my populace happy.
2. By the time this would have been an issue, I had probably become such a powerhouse that the game got boring and I started a new one.

It's a cool idea, but it's a shame that you have to FORCE your own people to rebel on purpose, or play like an idiot for this to actually happen.

Edit: Slaughtering the populace is a great way to keep them happy in many games, for some strange reason. Another example from Total War: Whenever I conquered Jerusalem on a Crusade I always chose the option to kill as many people as possible. If you didn't, the population would be so high that a rebellion would kick you out of the city immediately. So by just about halving the population in a total massacre, I kept them nice and docile. Twisted, definitely, but very effective.
 

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Fantabulous. I had pencilled in today as the day for the next update, but once again (*sigh*. This isn't the half of it. You should see the crap I've put up with from my PC in just the past year) I'm having some technical difficulties, this time with my sound card.

I'm ordering a new one, but in the mean time, I'm using my on-board card, which causes HoI3 to crash every 5 minutes.
 

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Octorok said:
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Hey, it was always the way in Total War. In Empire, you'd tax the crap out of one class, let them rebel, then you,d end up with one of three types of government depending on who rebelled.

Which in turn reminded me of Rome : Total War, where the most efficient solution to unhappiness due to "squalor" was to let the city rebel, recapture it, and slaughter half the population to make room for the rest of 'em.

Fun times...
I never understood in that game how you were supposed to get a constitutional monarchy, as I always ended up getting one extreme or the other, which wasn't helpful as most of the time I felt a constitutional monarchy would be the best.
As for Rome, I hated that whole "squalor makes cities ungovernable" thing; for some reason the armies that spawned were always horrifically overpowering when it was a Huge City; I ended up using the cheat to artificially reduce the population, combined with daily games, races, low taxes and a permanent garrison of militia, so that if it was attacked, it would have at least a slight chance of surviving till I brought reinforcements.

Another question; do you think you will be able to force a US surrender before the end of the game?