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Lunar Templar

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why are we defending CoD again?

it seems to be doing just fine despite the hate people lob at it.

that said, you couldn't PAY ME enough to want that crap on my system
 

miketehmage

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Assassin Xaero said:
When you think about it, they do change more than most sport games do. Different settings, some different guns, etc. Sure the engine is the same, and they don't change as much as they could, but still more than Madden.

This seems to be a double edged sword, though. Look at how much hate the Final Fantasy series gets, and with the exception of direct sequels (X-2, XIII-2), they change a lot of the game up every time (completely new characters, worlds, story, battle system, etc). Make changes to a game, people ***** that something has changed. Leave it the same, people ***** that they are just putting out the same games over and over again.
Yeah that's a fair point. I think then that maybe the problem is releasing the games as frequently as they do, and maybe they should strive to find a balance between making too few or too many changes. I just think that CoD peaked at CoD 4 and I feel like it has been milked ever since.
 

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Crazy question, but I was considering getting black ops 2, is it worth it? I have no real intention of playing multi-player.

The last shooter I got was Modern warfare 2. I thought it was fun for the most part, but the story was laughingly bad.

Basically I am wondering if black ops 2 is a good bet, or is there another game on the horizon? Can one fly/drive vehicles in black ops 2?
 

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SpectacularWebHead said:
Thanks man, you have given the exact kind of comment that drove me to make this thread in the first place.

Please present proof that CoD is more sexist than anywhere else on the net. Are the mechanics of the game sexist? Does it offer sexists/misogynists some kind of special treatment?

TF2 is always the same maps, with the same characters, and the same gamemodes. I still play TF2 almost every week and I have the balls to admit that it's the same game every time I play it. Just because it's valve doesn't mean it gets a free pass.

How exactly does CoD abuse it's power? People like playing it so they make more of it? Has that stopped being basic business strategy while I wasn't looking? Also your logic makes absolutely no sense. How is CoD responsible for creating series by developers that have nothing to do with Activision or IW/Treyarch? If you wrote a bestseller should I be mad at you for the choices of other authors to parrot your work?

Lastly, did you even read the damn paragraph I wrote? Where the hell do you get off calling me sheepish for spending my money on things I enjoy? It's isn't instant gratification or any other cop-out pretentious statement. (ADHD, Aspergers, Autistic whatever) I enjoy CoD, when I stop enjoying it I'll stop paying for it.
 

ImmortalDrifter

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mavkiel said:
Crazy question, but I was considering getting black ops 2, is it worth it? I have no real intention of playing multi-player.

The last shooter I got was Modern warfare 2. I thought it was fun for the most part, but the story was laughingly bad.

Basically I am wondering if black ops 2 is a good bet, or is there another game on the horizon? Can one fly/drive vehicles in black ops 2?
I'll try to answer this to the best of my ability. Treyarch announced that there would be changes to the campaign structure (free roaming missions etc), the story looks interesting (the military might of the modern world turned against itself), and you will get to ride horses and use robots. I'm hoping for the best but expecting the worst lol. If it doesn't strike your fancy, Farcry is a good-looking shooter out in the near future. Bioshock: Infinite will be out in Feb and it's looking pretty sweet. Doom 4 is also a prospect for the future.
 

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You make some very good points, sir, to arguments which I've often heard, though never used. I actually quite like Call of Duty, and am looking forward to Black Ops 2. I barely touch the multiplayer, but the campaign is always dumb fun, and the survival mode from MW3 kept me coming back for more due to its addictiveness and great level design. Say what you will about CoD games, but they're always very polished games, and I'm not ashamed to admit I'm quite fond of them.
 

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Hey, you might like it, and that is fine, but don't expect me to respect the game series. Because I find it quite hard too. COD to me is like fast food; fine every once in a while, but it isn't healthy to indulge in all the time and it really isn't of the best quality. :p
 

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BreakfastMan said:
Hey, you might like it, and that is fine, but don't expect me to respect the game series. Because I find it quite hard too. COD to me is like fast food; fine every once in a while, but it isn't healthy to indulge in all the time and it really isn't of the best quality. :p
Well honestly man, if you don't care for it that's fine. I'm just saying for the love of god don't assume that everyone who plays it is a misogynistic 12-year-old.
 

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My main beef is that it still tried to pass itself off as an FPS rather than an arena shooter. The only real strategy I've seen in it is spawn working out the most efficient way to spawn trap the enemy. I basically just put it in the same list as TF and CS. Not a fan of arena shooters, and I dislike arena shooters that try to pass themselves off as full-blown FPSs even more.

Although without this FPS poser the CoD community would simply find other games to help ruin.

DISCLAIMER: Yes I know every game has dickheads. CoD just has more and has absolutely no way of dealing with them. Infact, I'd say it even promotes being a fuckwit.
 

BreakfastMan

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ImmortalDrifter said:
BreakfastMan said:
Hey, you might like it, and that is fine, but don't expect me to respect the game series. Because I find it quite hard too. COD to me is like fast food; fine every once in a while, but it isn't healthy to indulge in all the time and it really isn't of the best quality. :p
Well honestly man, if you don't care for it that's fine. I'm just saying for the love of god don't assume that everyone who plays it is a misogynistic 12-year-old.
That isn't exactly a defense of the game, though. That is a defense of those who play the game. And anyone with any sense already knows that not everyone who plays a certain game is a raging asshole (otherwise, strategy fans would be universally reviled). So, basically you are defending COD from strawmen. And strawmen can't really do anything because they are made of straw. :p
 

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CpT_x_Killsteal said:
My main beef is that it still tried to pass itself off as an FPS rather than an arena shooter. The only real strategy I've seen in it is spawn working out the most efficient way to spawn trap the enemy. I basically just put it in the same list as TF and CS. Not a fan of arena shooters, and I dislike arena shooters that try to pass themselves off as full-blown FPSs even more.

Although without this FPS poser the CoD community would simply find other games to help ruin.

DISCLAIMER: Yes I know every game has dickheads. CoD just has more and has absolutely no way of dealing with them. Infact, I'd say it even promotes being a fuckwit.
What exactly is a "full-blown" fps? And how would you reason that it promotes being a dick? I've never seen any double XP weekends for people with shitloads of bad player reviews. Also, of course CoD has more, it's the most popular. That's not even defending CoD it's basic math.
 

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SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
1) They should either cut the campaign or force the entire studio to play COD 1&2. The campaigns have ALL been terrible since that point, with the exception of WaW, which was merely competent. And yes, you heard that right, I didn't like COD 4's campaign at all. Wow, you got nuked. And what about all the other stuff? Oh, right, terrorists are here, you go there, shoot brown people, nuke, patriotic music, the end. People who praise COD 4's campaign while critizising MW3's in the same breath piss me off, if you claim to love one but despise the other you are just trying to look cool.
Yep, it can't be because they have actual, legitimate reasons to dislike one over the other. They are obviously just trying to be all cool and hip. Those silly people, having different opinions than you. They must be being disingenuous, obviously. There is no other option. -_-

Also, ooh, those sweet, sweet Undistributed Middle fallacies...
 

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i like call of duty, i just don't buy them anymore because the MP is reset every year in November for features that could have easily been added with DLC. everything that has been done to the MP since cod4 could have easily been done with DLC and they could have sold new campaigns as even more DLC.

and yes i buy new total war games every year but even there the fatigue has set in and with those games they at least try to mix up the gameplay by changing around the time period so you use different units.
on that note: make a cod that makes bolt-action rifles the main weapon again and we can talk
 

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ImmortalDrifter said:
CpT_x_Killsteal said:
My main beef is that it still tried to pass itself off as an FPS rather than an arena shooter. The only real strategy I've seen in it is spawn working out the most efficient way to spawn trap the enemy. I basically just put it in the same list as TF and CS. Not a fan of arena shooters, and I dislike arena shooters that try to pass themselves off as full-blown FPSs even more.

Although without this FPS poser the CoD community would simply find other games to help ruin.

DISCLAIMER: Yes I know every game has dickheads. CoD just has more and has absolutely no way of dealing with them. Infact, I'd say it even promotes being a fuckwit.
What exactly is a "full-blown" fps? And how would you reason that it promotes being a dick? I've never seen any double XP weekends for people with shitloads of bad player reviews. Also, of course CoD has more, it's the most popular. That's not even defending CoD it's basic math.
By "full-blown" I mean that it has actually set about a way of expanding itself. Take BF or any of it's ilk (NO I'M NOT A FANBOY I DON'T PLAY IT ANYMORE LEAVE ME ALONE), they get bigger, there are more obstacles to overcome, and much more VARIETY. Variety is a key aspect in and FPS and is there to stop it from becoming too repetitive and to help it evolve.

Where as CoD is more like an arena shooter, like GoW, TF2 and CS. It focuses on tinkering with the guns and in CoD's case, air support, and pretty much nothing else. Not new challenges or ways to overcome them, not new strategies or creative opportunities for players to come up with or take advantage of. Just run around in circles shooting people and hope your team is better at it than the other team. Oh, and try not to get spawn trapped.

So anyways, that's why I classify it as an arena shooter rather than a "full-blown" FPS.



And by more dickheads, I mean a higher ratio of dickheads to non-dickheads.

How does it promote dick-headism? Well here's an easy one. Care-Packages. Your team mates will almost always try to steal even if it's right in front of you. If you die, they won't defend it, they'll just take it. Of course you could argue that it's better than the enemy getting it, but when you spawn 20m away from it, it's being a douchebag, nothing more.

Trapping people in corners. Holy fucking hell. It's happened to me so many times and I've seen it on YouTube so many times it's ridiculous. And there's the ridiculous spawn-tubing aswell to take into account.


Well that's it for the top of my head, please keep in mind that even with all the swearing I'm not using an angry tone of voice or anything.
 

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ImmortalDrifter said:
SpectacularWebHead said:
Thanks man, you have given the exact kind of comment that drove me to make this thread in the first place.

Please present proof that CoD is more sexist than anywhere else on the net. Are the mechanics of the game sexist? Does it offer sexists/misogynists some kind of special treatment?
Dude, Cod is marketed at guys. Because it is marketed SOLELY at guys, not in any way, shape or form at girl gamers, you can assume there's gonna be a lot more sexism than it's nearest competitor, Which is I think Halo... Not sure about sales, but assuming it is halo, Whilst the main character is a dude, you at least have some interesting female characters in it, and, You get a helluva a lot more girls playing halo than cod WITHOUT any abuse. As for providing you proof, I can't because I don't work in the gaming industry, and therefore have no kind of access to statistics. All I can tell you is the observation of Cod's community, coupled with it's marketing techniques in relation to other shooters, so yes, in a way, misogynist do get special treatment, because nothing is done about them, because people like you just say "Well, that's the internet for ya". Also, please tell me how you can make a sexist game mechanic, because you're just being silly now. The CoD community are largely up there with 4chan in levels of offensiveness. Just saying "Welcome to the internet" Doesn't make it okay.

TF2 is always the same maps, with the same characters, and the same gamemodes. I still play TF2 almost every week and I have the balls to admit that it's the same game every time I play it. Just because it's valve doesn't mean it gets a free pass.
Well no, because you get updates, Backstory and a metric-shit ton of other stuff that makes TF2 more interesting. If you're playing on console, fair enough, they have never updated it and never will, but there's more intrigue to TF2 than cod. Fuck, just the use of bright colours as opposed to grey, brown and very rarely, blue is enough to keep you interested.

How exactly does CoD abuse it's power? People like playing it so they make more of it? Has that stopped being basic business strategy while I wasn't looking? Also your logic makes absolutely no sense. How is CoD responsible for creating series by developers that have nothing to do with Activision or IW/Treyarch? If you wrote a bestseller should I be mad at you for the choices of other authors to parrot your work?
I've explained that already. As CoD is what everyone tries to be, we only get the same shitty brown shooter over and over. If CoD was willing to try something new and interesting, it would likely spur all the other companies copying it into doing something different and interesting. And, as you have proved, taking a risk wouldn't hurt their sales in the slightest, because so many people would buy it just because "It's CoD Braaah!" It's not the fault of other developers, becaus ethey are just following your oh so grand marketing strategy, thus leading us into this tidal wave of crap shooters, which is started at it's root, by CoD, the game your game could smell like.

Lastly, did you even read the damn paragraph I wrote? Where the hell do you get off calling me sheepish for spending my money on things I enjoy? It's isn't instant gratification or any other cop-out pretentious statement. (ADHD, Aspergers, Autistic whatever) I enjoy CoD, when I stop enjoying it I'll stop paying for it.
I get off calling you sheepish, because in your paragraph, you express your sheep like mentality because you know that very little is added to CoD each year, yet you still spend 60 bucks on what you know is 2 new gametypes and 10 new maps. You buy what you yourself have even said is basically the same game every year because you Enjoy it, but what you don't seem to realise is, you could stick with whichever one came out THIS year instead of wasting $60 on changes that are covered in DLC for most other games. THAT is why I view your mentality as sheep-like. You're following the crowd despite knowing it's unneccesary.
 

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CpT_x_Killsteal said:
By "full-blown" I mean that it has actually set about a way of expanding itself. Take BF or any of it's ilk (NO I'M NOT A FANBOY I DON'T PLAY IT ANYMORE LEAVE ME ALONE), they get bigger, there are more obstacles to overcome, and much more VARIETY. Variety is a key aspect in and FPS and is there to stop it from becoming too repetitive and to help it evolve.
You'll probably disagree (I've not played much Battefield/Operation Flashpoint/Ghost Recon so...), but I think Domination, Sabotage and Domination (maybe not so much Capture the Flag) go a little bit towards variety; admittedly there's only one point for each team on each map, and one more for domination, so that's kind of a shot in the foot for variety.

It's a tiny step towards variety though, I'll admit that much; and it's kind of a shame that deathmatches are by far the most popular multiplayer gamemode, but maybe that's just personal taste.

SpectacularWebHead said:
I get off calling you sheepish, because in your paragraph, you express your sheep like mentality because you know that very little is added to CoD each year, yet you still spend 60 bucks on what you know is 2 new gametypes and 10 new maps. You buy what you yourself have even said is basically the same game every year because you Enjoy it, but what you don't seem to realise is, you could stick with whichever one came out THIS year instead of wasting $60 on changes that are covered in DLC for most other games. THAT is why I view your mentality as sheep-like. You're following the crowd despite knowing it's unneccesary.
No, that would imply that he buys it because everyone else does.

If he's making the decision to buy it because it satisfies his needs, he is making that decision himself, not following the crowd.
 

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PieBrotherTB said:
CpT_x_Killsteal said:
By "full-blown" I mean that it has actually set about a way of expanding itself. Take BF or any of it's ilk (NO I'M NOT A FANBOY I DON'T PLAY IT ANYMORE LEAVE ME ALONE), they get bigger, there are more obstacles to overcome, and much more VARIETY. Variety is a key aspect in and FPS and is there to stop it from becoming too repetitive and to help it evolve.
You'll probably disagree (I've not played much Battefield/Operation Flashpoint/Ghost Recon so...), but I think Domination, Sabotage and Domination (maybe not so much Capture the Flag) go a little bit towards variety; admittedly there's only one point for each team on each map, and one more for domination, so that's kind of a shot in the foot for variety.

It's a tiny step towards variety though, I'll admit that much; and it's kind of a shame that deathmatches are by far the most popular multiplayer gamemode, but maybe that's just personal taste.
Well that is true, but to me it just seems like shooting each other in a a few specified areas, rather than in random places around the map.