Let's talk about the resell market for the Wii U

[WeepingAngels]

Ok consider this. The Wii U requires the Gamepad for some critical system functions and some games require it. Since the Gamepad is not sold separately won't we end up in a situation where the Wii U will become worthless as more and more Gamepads stop working?

Right now it looks like the NX will not be backward compatible and if that is the case, Nintendo will not continue to manufacture Gamepads after they end Wii U production.

 

[DefunctTheory]

You can buy refurbished gamepads, actually, thought the price is outrageous.

In fact, that's probably the problem - Unlike most systems, where the controllers are a small fraction of the consoles price, the Wii U tablet controller actually takes up a significant portion of the systems cost, as much as a third to a half of it. The controller is less a peripheral, and more an actual piece of the console. So if it dies, it's basically 'bricked' the console. No different then if the disc drive had died, really.

 

[WeepingAngels]

You can buy refurbished gamepads, actually, thought the price is outrageous.

In fact, that's probably the problem - Unlike most systems, where the controllers are a small fraction of the consoles price, the Wii U tablet controller actually takes up a significant portion of the systems cost, as much as a third to a half of it. The controller is less a peripheral, and more an actual piece of the console. So if it dies, it's basically 'bricked' the console. No different then if the disc drive had died, really.

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately in stores, not even third party ones.

 

[DefunctTheory]

You can buy refurbished gamepads, actually, thought the price is outrageous.

In fact, that's probably the problem - Unlike most systems, where the controllers are a small fraction of the consoles price, the Wii U tablet controller actually takes up a significant portion of the systems cost, as much as a third to a half of it. The controller is less a peripheral, and more an actual piece of the console. So if it dies, it's basically 'bricked' the console. No different then if the disc drive had died, really.

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately, not even third party ones.

And? The Wii U, for better or worst, isn't like any other console.

Are we having a real conversation about the Wii U controller, which is obviously in a league all of its own, whether we like it or not, or is this just another 'Lets shit on Nintendo' thread?

 

[WeepingAngels]

You can buy refurbished gamepads, actually, thought the price is outrageous.

In fact, that's probably the problem - Unlike most systems, where the controllers are a small fraction of the consoles price, the Wii U tablet controller actually takes up a significant portion of the systems cost, as much as a third to a half of it. The controller is less a peripheral, and more an actual piece of the console. So if it dies, it's basically 'bricked' the console. No different then if the disc drive had died, really.

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately, not even third party ones.

And? The Wii U, for better or worst, isn't like any other console.

Are we having a real conversation about the Wii U controller, which is obviously in a league all of its own, whether we like it or not, or is this just another 'Lets shit on Nintendo' thread?

Why the attitude?
Is anything I said false?
Do I have a pattern of making "Let's shit on Nintendo" threads?
Is this how discussions on this forum are these days?

 

[tippy2k2]

I would figure the biggest concern for Wii U owners is what you do if that gamepad breaks...

I don't have a Wii U so I don't fully understand how needed that gamepad thing is but I imagine it's pretty damn important. Hopped onto Amazon and the Gamepad is $151 [https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Wii-GamePad-Certified-Refurbished-U/dp/B01C4Z6SK4/ref=sr_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1470612797&sr=1-3&keywords=Wii+U+gamepad]. I imagine that price is only going to go up as time goes on...

Sucks if you own a Wii U but Nintendo kind of marches to their own beat. However, if it's anything like other Nintendo products, the only material stronger than a Nintendo manufactured product is Adamantium and maybe those old Nokia 3310 phones.

 

[WeepingAngels]

I would figure the biggest concern for Wii U owners is what you do if that gamepad breaks...

I don't have a Wii U so I don't fully understand how needed that gamepad thing is but I imagine it's pretty damn important. Hopped onto Amazon and the Gamepad is $151 [https://www.amazon.com/Nintendo-Wii-GamePad-Certified-Refurbished-U/dp/B01C4Z6SK4/ref=sr_1_3?s=videogames&ie=UTF8&qid=1470612797&sr=1-3&keywords=Wii+U+gamepad]. I imagine that price is only going to go up as time goes on...

Sucks if you own a Wii U but Nintendo kind of marches to their own beat. However, if it's anything like other Nintendo products, the only material stronger than a Nintendo manufactured product is Adamantium and maybe those old Nokia 3310 phones.

My Gamepad has already stopped working once. Luckily it was a simple fix and calling Nintendo support solved it. It did take about 10 minutes on the phone before we got down to 'unplug the battery and plug it back in'. I have to say that the Gamepad is not as reliable as previous Nintendo controllers.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

You can buy refurbished gamepads, actually, thought the price is outrageous.

In fact, that's probably the problem - Unlike most systems, where the controllers are a small fraction of the consoles price, the Wii U tablet controller actually takes up a significant portion of the systems cost, as much as a third to a half of it. The controller is less a peripheral, and more an actual piece of the console. So if it dies, it's basically 'bricked' the console. No different then if the disc drive had died, really.

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately, not even third party ones.

And? The Wii U, for better or worst, isn't like any other console.

Are we having a real conversation about the Wii U controller, which is obviously in a league all of its own, whether we like it or not, or is this just another 'Lets shit on Nintendo' thread?

Why the attitude?
Is anything I said false?
Do I have a pattern of making "Let's shit on Nintendo" threads?
Is this how discussions on this forum are these days?

I don't know how else I'm supposed to respond when everything I said is ignored in favor of just crapping on the Wii U, ignoring context or argument.

I told you why the gamepad isn't sold separately. It's not really peripheral, it's part of the console. It's colossally expensive, every Wii U can only use one at a time, and the pad is covered under the same warranty/repair policy as the 'proper' console component.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Spoiler

You can buy refurbished gamepads, actually, thought the price is outrageous.

In fact, that's probably the problem - Unlike most systems, where the controllers are a small fraction of the consoles price, the Wii U tablet controller actually takes up a significant portion of the systems cost, as much as a third to a half of it. The controller is less a peripheral, and more an actual piece of the console. So if it dies, it's basically 'bricked' the console. No different then if the disc drive had died, really.

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately, not even third party ones.

And? The Wii U, for better or worst, isn't like any other console.

Are we having a real conversation about the Wii U controller, which is obviously in a league all of its own, whether we like it or not, or is this just another 'Lets shit on Nintendo' thread?

Why the attitude?
Is anything I said false?
Do I have a pattern of making "Let's shit on Nintendo" threads?
Is this how discussions on this forum are these days?

I don't know how else I'm supposed to respond when everything I said is ignored in favor of just crapping on the Wii U, ignoring context or argument.

I told you why the gamepad isn't sold separately. It's not really peripheral, it's part of the console. It's colossally expensive, every Wii U can only use one at a time, and the pad is covered under warranty/repair policy as the 'proper' console component.

You don't have to be hostile, I am just saying that the Wii U won't have a long tail like previous consoles. There will be no replacing critical components at some point. Eventually there will be no more refurbished Gamepads and the value of still working Gamepads will skyrocket making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Even now, if my Gamepad died I would not have the money to spend $150 on a refurbished controller and my Wii U games would become unplayable. My Wii U is certainly out of warranty. We will have Wii U's that still work being useless without a Gamepad.

This is just a factual discussion, not trying to hurt your feelings.

 

[DefunctTheory]

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You can buy refurbished gamepads, actually, thought the price is outrageous.

In fact, that's probably the problem - Unlike most systems, where the controllers are a small fraction of the consoles price, the Wii U tablet controller actually takes up a significant portion of the systems cost, as much as a third to a half of it. The controller is less a peripheral, and more an actual piece of the console. So if it dies, it's basically 'bricked' the console. No different then if the disc drive had died, really.

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately, not even third party ones.

And? The Wii U, for better or worst, isn't like any other console.

Are we having a real conversation about the Wii U controller, which is obviously in a league all of its own, whether we like it or not, or is this just another 'Lets shit on Nintendo' thread?

Why the attitude?
Is anything I said false?
Do I have a pattern of making "Let's shit on Nintendo" threads?
Is this how discussions on this forum are these days?

I don't know how else I'm supposed to respond when everything I said is ignored in favor of just crapping on the Wii U, ignoring context or argument.

I told you why the gamepad isn't sold separately. It's not really peripheral, it's part of the console. It's colossally expensive, every Wii U can only use one at a time, and the pad is covered under warranty/repair policy as the 'proper' console component.

You don't have to be hostile, I am just saying that the Wii U won't have a long tail like previous consoles. There will be no replacing critical components at some point. Eventually there will be no more refurbished Gamepads and the value of still working Gamepads will skyrocket making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Even now, if my Gamepad died I would not have the money to spend $150 on a refurbished controller and my Wii U games would become unplayable. We will have Wii U's that still work being useless without a Gamepad.

This is just a factual discussion, not trying to hurt your feelings.

What?

Nintendo still repairs Nintedo DSi systems. That's a system that was released in 2008. So you'll be able to get your controller repaired till, say... 2020. Probably later.

 

[WeepingAngels]

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You can buy refurbished gamepads, actually, thought the price is outrageous.

In fact, that's probably the problem - Unlike most systems, where the controllers are a small fraction of the consoles price, the Wii U tablet controller actually takes up a significant portion of the systems cost, as much as a third to a half of it. The controller is less a peripheral, and more an actual piece of the console. So if it dies, it's basically 'bricked' the console. No different then if the disc drive had died, really.

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately, not even third party ones.

And? The Wii U, for better or worst, isn't like any other console.

Are we having a real conversation about the Wii U controller, which is obviously in a league all of its own, whether we like it or not, or is this just another 'Lets shit on Nintendo' thread?

Why the attitude?
Is anything I said false?
Do I have a pattern of making "Let's shit on Nintendo" threads?
Is this how discussions on this forum are these days?

I don't know how else I'm supposed to respond when everything I said is ignored in favor of just crapping on the Wii U, ignoring context or argument.

I told you why the gamepad isn't sold separately. It's not really peripheral, it's part of the console. It's colossally expensive, every Wii U can only use one at a time, and the pad is covered under warranty/repair policy as the 'proper' console component.

You don't have to be hostile, I am just saying that the Wii U won't have a long tail like previous consoles. There will be no replacing critical components at some point. Eventually there will be no more refurbished Gamepads and the value of still working Gamepads will skyrocket making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Even now, if my Gamepad died I would not have the money to spend $150 on a refurbished controller and my Wii U games would become unplayable. We will have Wii U's that still work being useless without a Gamepad.

This is just a factual discussion, not trying to hurt your feelings.

What?

Nintendo still repairs Nintedo DSi systems. That's a system that was released in 2008. So you'll be able to get your controller repaired till, say... 2020. Probably later.

Not for free or even cheap.

 

[DefunctTheory]

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You can buy refurbished gamepads, actually, thought the price is outrageous.

In fact, that's probably the problem - Unlike most systems, where the controllers are a small fraction of the consoles price, the Wii U tablet controller actually takes up a significant portion of the systems cost, as much as a third to a half of it. The controller is less a peripheral, and more an actual piece of the console. So if it dies, it's basically 'bricked' the console. No different then if the disc drive had died, really.

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately, not even third party ones.

And? The Wii U, for better or worst, isn't like any other console.

Are we having a real conversation about the Wii U controller, which is obviously in a league all of its own, whether we like it or not, or is this just another 'Lets shit on Nintendo' thread?

Why the attitude?
Is anything I said false?
Do I have a pattern of making "Let's shit on Nintendo" threads?
Is this how discussions on this forum are these days?

I don't know how else I'm supposed to respond when everything I said is ignored in favor of just crapping on the Wii U, ignoring context or argument.

I told you why the gamepad isn't sold separately. It's not really peripheral, it's part of the console. It's colossally expensive, every Wii U can only use one at a time, and the pad is covered under warranty/repair policy as the 'proper' console component.

You don't have to be hostile, I am just saying that the Wii U won't have a long tail like previous consoles. There will be no replacing critical components at some point. Eventually there will be no more refurbished Gamepads and the value of still working Gamepads will skyrocket making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Even now, if my Gamepad died I would not have the money to spend $150 on a refurbished controller and my Wii U games would become unplayable. We will have Wii U's that still work being useless without a Gamepad.

This is just a factual discussion, not trying to hurt your feelings.

What?

Nintendo still repairs Nintedo DSi systems. That's a system that was released in 2008. So you'll be able to get your controller repaired till, say... 2020. Probably later.

Not for free or even cheap.

And? Do you just want Nintendo to start selling half of their consoles as stand alone devices for a fraction of their cost?

This just seems weird. We've gone from 'The Wii U will be worthless in years,' to 'Why don't they sell this stuff that only a percent or a percent of people will need' to 'it's too expensive.' And you seem to be concerned because your controller 'broke' once (Which, by the way, it didn't. What you did to 'fix' it was a power reset. Probably half to all of Wii U owners have had to do it once or twice, and anyone over the age of 25 has probably had to do it over a dozen times with a multitude of hardware).

 

[WeepingAngels]

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You can buy refurbished gamepads, actually, thought the price is outrageous.

In fact, that's probably the problem - Unlike most systems, where the controllers are a small fraction of the consoles price, the Wii U tablet controller actually takes up a significant portion of the systems cost, as much as a third to a half of it. The controller is less a peripheral, and more an actual piece of the console. So if it dies, it's basically 'bricked' the console. No different then if the disc drive had died, really.

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately, not even third party ones.

And? The Wii U, for better or worst, isn't like any other console.

Are we having a real conversation about the Wii U controller, which is obviously in a league all of its own, whether we like it or not, or is this just another 'Lets shit on Nintendo' thread?

Why the attitude?
Is anything I said false?
Do I have a pattern of making "Let's shit on Nintendo" threads?
Is this how discussions on this forum are these days?

I don't know how else I'm supposed to respond when everything I said is ignored in favor of just crapping on the Wii U, ignoring context or argument.

I told you why the gamepad isn't sold separately. It's not really peripheral, it's part of the console. It's colossally expensive, every Wii U can only use one at a time, and the pad is covered under warranty/repair policy as the 'proper' console component.

You don't have to be hostile, I am just saying that the Wii U won't have a long tail like previous consoles. There will be no replacing critical components at some point. Eventually there will be no more refurbished Gamepads and the value of still working Gamepads will skyrocket making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Even now, if my Gamepad died I would not have the money to spend $150 on a refurbished controller and my Wii U games would become unplayable. We will have Wii U's that still work being useless without a Gamepad.

This is just a factual discussion, not trying to hurt your feelings.

What?

Nintendo still repairs Nintedo DSi systems. That's a system that was released in 2008. So you'll be able to get your controller repaired till, say... 2020. Probably later.

Not for free or even cheap.

And? Do you just want Nintendo to start selling half of their consoles as stand alone devices for a fraction of their cost?

This just seems weird. We've gone from 'The Wii U will be worthless in years,' to 'Why don't they sell this stuff that only a percent or a percent of people will need' to 'it's too expensive.' And you seem to be concerned because your controller 'broke' once (Which, by the way, it didn't. What you did to 'fix' it was a power reset. Probably half to all of Wii U owners have had to do it once or twice, and anyone over the age of 25 has probably had to do it over a dozen times with a multitude of hardware).

Why are you so damn hostile?

Actually, my first post was about them not selling the Gamepad separately and I think more than a percent of people will need to eventually replace their Gamepad. I would say most Wii U's will outlast the Gamepad leading to most people needing to replace the Gamepads. You said yourself that it's expensive.

My point was, when getting a working Gamepad becomes too expensive, it will no longer be practical to play a Wii U. In that event your Wii U games will be useless.

I really want to know why you are so hostile.

I remember now why I stopped posting here. If you intend to remain hostile, then I don't want to discuss it any further with you.

 

[Saelune]

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You can buy refurbished gamepads, actually, thought the price is outrageous.

In fact, that's probably the problem - Unlike most systems, where the controllers are a small fraction of the consoles price, the Wii U tablet controller actually takes up a significant portion of the systems cost, as much as a third to a half of it. The controller is less a peripheral, and more an actual piece of the console. So if it dies, it's basically 'bricked' the console. No different then if the disc drive had died, really.

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately, not even third party ones.

And? The Wii U, for better or worst, isn't like any other console.

Are we having a real conversation about the Wii U controller, which is obviously in a league all of its own, whether we like it or not, or is this just another 'Lets shit on Nintendo' thread?

Why the attitude?
Is anything I said false?
Do I have a pattern of making "Let's shit on Nintendo" threads?
Is this how discussions on this forum are these days?

I don't know how else I'm supposed to respond when everything I said is ignored in favor of just crapping on the Wii U, ignoring context or argument.

I told you why the gamepad isn't sold separately. It's not really peripheral, it's part of the console. It's colossally expensive, every Wii U can only use one at a time, and the pad is covered under warranty/repair policy as the 'proper' console component.

You don't have to be hostile, I am just saying that the Wii U won't have a long tail like previous consoles. There will be no replacing critical components at some point. Eventually there will be no more refurbished Gamepads and the value of still working Gamepads will skyrocket making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Even now, if my Gamepad died I would not have the money to spend $150 on a refurbished controller and my Wii U games would become unplayable. We will have Wii U's that still work being useless without a Gamepad.

This is just a factual discussion, not trying to hurt your feelings.

What?

Nintendo still repairs Nintedo DSi systems. That's a system that was released in 2008. So you'll be able to get your controller repaired till, say... 2020. Probably later.

Not for free or even cheap.

And? Do you just want Nintendo to start selling half of their consoles as stand alone devices for a fraction of their cost?

This just seems weird. We've gone from 'The Wii U will be worthless in years,' to 'Why don't they sell this stuff that only a percent or a percent of people will need' to 'it's too expensive.' And you seem to be concerned because your controller 'broke' once (Which, by the way, it didn't. What you did to 'fix' it was a power reset. Probably half to all of Wii U owners have had to do it once or twice, and anyone over the age of 25 has probably had to do it over a dozen times with a multitude of hardware).

Why are you so damn hostile?

Actually, my first post was about them not selling the Gamepad separately and I think more than a percent of people will need to eventually replace their Gamepad. I would say most Wii U's will outlast the Gamepad leading to most people needing to replace the Gamepads. You said yourself that it's expensive.

My point was, when getting a working Gamepad becomes too expensive, it will no longer be practical to play a Wii U. In that event your Wii U games will be useless.

I really want to know why you are so hostile.

I remember now why I stopped posting here. If you intend to remain hostile, then I don't want to discuss it any further with you.

Do you own a Wii U? I do. That controller is designed to well, keep working. Nintendo makes consoles that last. My N64 still works, my Gamecube still works, all my Gameboys still work. My 360...nope.

The Gamepad is designed to last. It wasn't made by Apple, it actually survives blunt force, since they expect young children to use it.

Yeah, if the Gamepad breaks, you're screwed. But as mentioned, to consider it as a controller and not part of the console itself is poor thinking.

 

[Zenja]

Why are you so damn hostile?

I have been lurking the Off Topic board and the Wild West board this week and that is probably the source of the hostility on Accursed Theory's part. It seems tensions are high among some and switching from one of those boards to the casual Game Discussion board may be easier than switching your mindset. Or maybe he just don't like to put up with people talking bad about the Wii U, but I doubt it.

Yeah, if the Gamepad breaks, you're screwed. But as mentioned, to consider it as a controller and not part of the console itself is poor thinking.

Not really, it IS an input device to a console AKA a controller. My PS4 isnt going to work and my games will be worthless without a PS4 controller. Does that mean I shouldn't call it a controller but rather see it as part of the console?

Angels is making a valid claim against the console that consumers should be acknowledging. What I will offer to the discussion is that we don't know that Wii U production will halt when the NX is launched or even soon after. Personally, I think it would be smart to support both simultaneously over the next 5+ years giving devs options as both systems offer unique experiences and the Wii U's potential has still yet to be explored in depth. Let's hope that the NX is not the end of the line for the Wii U similar to how Sony and MS are claiming Neo and Scorpio aren't the end of PS4 and Xbone.

 

[Saelune]

Why are you so damn hostile?

I have been lurking the Off Topic board and the Wild West board this week and that is probably the source of the hostility on Accursed Theory's part. It seems tensions are high among some and switching from one of those boards to the casual Game Discussion board may be easier than switching your mindset. Or maybe he just don't like to put up with people talking bad about the Wii U, but I doubt it.

Yeah, if the Gamepad breaks, you're screwed. But as mentioned, to consider it as a controller and not part of the console itself is poor thinking.

Not really, it IS an input device to a console AKA a controller. My PS4 isnt going to work and my games will be worthless without a PS4 controller. Does that mean I shouldn't call it a controller but rather see it as part of the console?

Angels is making a valid claim against the console that consumers should be acknowledging. What I will offer to the discussion is that we don't know that Wii U production will halt when the NX is launched or even soon after. Personally, I think it would be smart to support both simultaneously over the next 5+ years giving devs options as both systems offer unique experiences and the Wii U's potential has still yet to be explored in depth. Let's hope that the NX is not the end of the line for the Wii U similar to how Sony and MS are claiming Neo and Scorpio aren't the end of PS4 and Xbone.

Except PS4 controllers aren't made to console level of quality usually. Though PS4 controllers are a step above most.

But Wii U Gamepad is far more part of the console than most controllers are. A PS4 controller could just as easily be replaced with an Xbox one. But the Gamepad is integral to what much of the Wii U can do beyond basic gameplay.

Edit: As for Accursed Theory's hostility, I too tire of people shitting on Nintendo for frivolous reasons. Though perhaps Angel is getting it unfairly, though I don't think he is as hostile as they are acting. People keep belittling Nintendo more often as outsiders than people who actually are involved with it. Thinking that just because Nintendo isn't doing what everyone else is doing, they must be failing.

 

[Zenja]

Angels has pointed out that he does have a Wii U and this is worrying to him though so it isn't from the outside. I also wouldn't view this criticism as shitting on Nintendo either. More a valid observation of a drawback to the design of the system. Once upon a time the Kinect was an integral part of the Xbox One and many agreed that was a valid criticism of the system. I have also heard (I am an outsider) that many games don't utilize the controller, but I know that the console interface does. (A friend has one) When I have played on it, we all used regular controllers to play and that controller was for navigating to the game and/or sat to the side.

Angels never said anything about failing, he simply brought up that the resale value is going to be poor based on the support of that controller or part of the console. He has mentioned his controller has already gave him a scare that probably prompted the idea to post. It's a valid point, but also speculation as the NX is still very elusive.

I think hostility is just running high in general right now and was mostly wanting to speak up that it could easily pass as early as next week. It could also explode. We have to wait and see. It looks like it will probably calm down though.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Why are you so damn hostile?

I have been lurking the Off Topic board and the Wild West board this week and that is probably the source of the hostility on Accursed Theory's part. It seems tensions are high among some and switching from one of those boards to the casual Game Discussion board may be easier than switching your mindset. Or maybe he just don't like to put up with people talking bad about the Wii U, but I doubt it.

One of my 'triggers' is when people don't bother to look shit up, then ignore the people who do. OP asked why the controllers aren't sold separately. I checked, and a) they do, and b) the reason they're expensive is because they're part of the console, not a peripheral.

But instead of acknowledging that, or arguing against that, new complaints just keep getting piled on. We go from from negative to negative, cruising past any sort of discussion in favor of finding new reasons to *****.

I have a Wii U, and let me tell you, there are a lot of things to complain about. Some of them are minor (The power supplies for both the console and the controller seem to need reseting more often then is reasonable, but seeing how easy that is to rectify, who really cares), some of them are huge (Developers, Nintendo mostly, forcing the Wii U's special controls into games even when it doesn't make much since. Their weird backwards compatibility solution, both digital and 'Wii Mode' wise. Being forced to re-buy games, because the Wii market, Wii U market, and 3DS market are all considered separate for some bizarre, retarded reason. Can't use the Gamepad to play Wii digital download games without a TV. So on and so forth).

But the console itself? Come on. Nintendonium is right up there with classic Nokia and Tonka-Certified plastic when it comes to toughness. The controller is considered the console when it comes to warranties and repair, so the lifespan of the system is pretty much guaranteed, well past the time when anyone will care. And it being expensive? I've never personally had to have any Nintendo hardware repaired, but I've known some people who have done it for obsolete systems. And it's always expensive, it's not like that's special for the Wii U.

Rant over. tl;dr - I'm annoyed by OPs handling of this thread. If anyone has an issue with my responses, blame me, not forum drama.

 

[kilenem]

Not all games require the pad and Ive personally fixed a wii u game pad. Its not going to be that bad.

Nintendo's store sells old nintendo items. Last year they had brand new platinum gamecube controllers. Im still kicking myself for missing that.

Although If you own a wii u I might want to invest in a extra screen and the "mother board," justin case. The sticks are actually the same sticks from the wii nun chuck which are intterchangeable with the gamecube controllers.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Why are you so damn hostile?

I have been lurking the Off Topic board and the Wild West board this week and that is probably the source of the hostility on Accursed Theory's part. It seems tensions are high among some and switching from one of those boards to the casual Game Discussion board may be easier than switching your mindset. Or maybe he just don't like to put up with people talking bad about the Wii U, but I doubt it.

One of my 'triggers' is when people don't bother to look shit up, then ignore the people who do. OP asked why the controllers aren't sold separately. I checked, and a) they do, and b) the reason they're expensive is because they're part of the console, not a peripheral.

But instead of acknowledging that, or arguing against that, new complaints just keep getting piled on. We go from from negative to negative, cruising past any sort of discussion in favor of finding new reasons to *****.

I have a Wii U, and let me tell you, there are a lot of things to complain about. Some of them are minor (The power supplies for both the console and the controller seem to need reseting more often then is reasonable, but seeing how easy that is to rectify, who really cares), some of them are huge (Developers, Nintendo mostly, forcing the Wii U's special controls into games even when it doesn't make much since. Their weird backwards compatibility solution, both digital and 'Wii Mode' wise. Being forced to re-buy games, because the Wii market, Wii U market, and 3DS market are all considered separate for some bizarre, retarded reason. Can't use the Gamepad to play Wii digital download games without a TV. So on and so forth).

But the console itself? Come on. Nintendonium is right up there with classic Nokia and Tonka-Certified plastic when it comes to toughness. The controller is considered the console when it comes to warranties and repair, so the lifespan of the system is pretty much guaranteed, well past the time when anyone will care. And it being expensive? I've never personally had to have any Nintendo hardware repaired, but I've known some people who have done it for obsolete systems. And it's always expensive, it's not like that's special for the Wii U.

Rant over. tl;dr - I'm annoyed by OPs handling of this thread. If anyone has an issue with my responses, blame me, not forum drama.

Buying a refurbished gamepad is alot more expensive than buying a new Classic Controller Pro, PS4 controller, used N64 controller and so on, maybe three times or more expensive.

I just don't think you are understanding my point. This is going to hurt the Wii U in the resell market because the lack of controllers sold separately in stores means that alot fewer controllers were produced and that will mean as time goes on, the ones that are left will get more and more expensive making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Few people will be dropping $200 or more for a used Wii U in 5 years and few people will even bother replacing their broken gamepad for $150 for their existing Wii U.

This gives the Wii U a shorter tail, in 25 years people won't be buying Wii U's like they buy SNES's right now. Not only are there still plenty of first party SNES controllers out there (because they were sold separately in stores) but there are plenty of third party ones too. I hope that was a little clearer.

Is any discussion of Nintendo that is not glowingly positive going to get a hostile reaction from you?