Let's talk about the resell market for the Wii U

[Saelune]

Why are you so damn hostile?

I have been lurking the Off Topic board and the Wild West board this week and that is probably the source of the hostility on Accursed Theory's part. It seems tensions are high among some and switching from one of those boards to the casual Game Discussion board may be easier than switching your mindset. Or maybe he just don't like to put up with people talking bad about the Wii U, but I doubt it.

One of my 'triggers' is when people don't bother to look shit up, then ignore the people who do. OP asked why the controllers aren't sold separately. I checked, and a) they do, and b) the reason they're expensive is because they're part of the console, not a peripheral.

But instead of acknowledging that, or arguing against that, new complaints just keep getting piled on. We go from from negative to negative, cruising past any sort of discussion in favor of finding new reasons to *****.

I have a Wii U, and let me tell you, there are a lot of things to complain about. Some of them are minor (The power supplies for both the console and the controller seem to need reseting more often then is reasonable, but seeing how easy that is to rectify, who really cares), some of them are huge (Developers, Nintendo mostly, forcing the Wii U's special controls into games even when it doesn't make much since. Their weird backwards compatibility solution, both digital and 'Wii Mode' wise. Being forced to re-buy games, because the Wii market, Wii U market, and 3DS market are all considered separate for some bizarre, retarded reason. Can't use the Gamepad to play Wii digital download games without a TV. So on and so forth).

But the console itself? Come on. Nintendonium is right up there with classic Nokia and Tonka-Certified plastic when it comes to toughness. The controller is considered the console when it comes to warranties and repair, so the lifespan of the system is pretty much guaranteed, well past the time when anyone will care. And it being expensive? I've never personally had to have any Nintendo hardware repaired, but I've known some people who have done it for obsolete systems. And it's always expensive, it's not like that's special for the Wii U.

Rant over. tl;dr - I'm annoyed by OPs handling of this thread. If anyone has an issue with my responses, blame me, not forum drama.

Buying a refurbished gamepad is alot more expensive than buying a new Classic Controller Pro, PS4 controller, N64 controller and so on, maybe three times or more expensive.

I just don't think you are understanding my point. This is going to hurt the Wii U in the resell market because the lack of controllers sold separately in stores means that alot fewer controllers were produced and that will mean as time goes on, the ones that are left will get more and more expensive making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Few people will be dropping $200 or more for a used Wii U in 5 years and few people will even bother replacing their broken gamepad for $150 for their existing Wii U.

This gives the Wii U a shorter tail, in 25 years people won't be buying Wii U's like they buy SNES's right now. Not only are their still plenty of first party SNES controllers out there (because they were sold separately in stores) but there are plenty of third party ones too. I hope that was a little clearer.

Is any discussion of Nintendo that is not glowingly positive going to get a hostile reaction from you?

In 25 years who cares?

In 25 years there wont be any working Xboxes or Playstations past 2 cause they are all junk. I have more confidence I will never need another Wii U, but Ive already been through multiple 360's, and my Xbox One is garbage out of the box.

Nintendo is the only company making hardware to last, but nowadays companies follow the Apple method of making trash that breaks just after warranty expires so you got to keep upgrading.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Why are you so damn hostile?

I have been lurking the Off Topic board and the Wild West board this week and that is probably the source of the hostility on Accursed Theory's part. It seems tensions are high among some and switching from one of those boards to the casual Game Discussion board may be easier than switching your mindset. Or maybe he just don't like to put up with people talking bad about the Wii U, but I doubt it.

One of my 'triggers' is when people don't bother to look shit up, then ignore the people who do. OP asked why the controllers aren't sold separately. I checked, and a) they do, and b) the reason they're expensive is because they're part of the console, not a peripheral.

But instead of acknowledging that, or arguing against that, new complaints just keep getting piled on. We go from from negative to negative, cruising past any sort of discussion in favor of finding new reasons to *****.

I have a Wii U, and let me tell you, there are a lot of things to complain about. Some of them are minor (The power supplies for both the console and the controller seem to need reseting more often then is reasonable, but seeing how easy that is to rectify, who really cares), some of them are huge (Developers, Nintendo mostly, forcing the Wii U's special controls into games even when it doesn't make much since. Their weird backwards compatibility solution, both digital and 'Wii Mode' wise. Being forced to re-buy games, because the Wii market, Wii U market, and 3DS market are all considered separate for some bizarre, retarded reason. Can't use the Gamepad to play Wii digital download games without a TV. So on and so forth).

But the console itself? Come on. Nintendonium is right up there with classic Nokia and Tonka-Certified plastic when it comes to toughness. The controller is considered the console when it comes to warranties and repair, so the lifespan of the system is pretty much guaranteed, well past the time when anyone will care. And it being expensive? I've never personally had to have any Nintendo hardware repaired, but I've known some people who have done it for obsolete systems. And it's always expensive, it's not like that's special for the Wii U.

Rant over. tl;dr - I'm annoyed by OPs handling of this thread. If anyone has an issue with my responses, blame me, not forum drama.

Buying a refurbished gamepad is alot more expensive than buying a new Classic Controller Pro, PS4 controller, N64 controller and so on, maybe three times or more expensive.

I just don't think you are understanding my point. This is going to hurt the Wii U in the resell market because the lack of controllers sold separately in stores means that alot fewer controllers were produced and that will mean as time goes on, the ones that are left will get more and more expensive making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Few people will be dropping $200 or more for a used Wii U in 5 years and few people will even bother replacing their broken gamepad for $150 for their existing Wii U.

This gives the Wii U a shorter tail, in 25 years people won't be buying Wii U's like they buy SNES's right now. Not only are their still plenty of first party SNES controllers out there (because they were sold separately in stores) but there are plenty of third party ones too. I hope that was a little clearer.

All of your complaints basically boil down to the assumption that the controllers are going to break down faster then the consoles. Way faster then the consoles. Which is speculation, at best. And the assumption that current systems are going to have a lasting interest that rivals the original systems, which... well, that's a weird thing to think. Pretty much every system after the SNES has lost it's following pretty fast - The systems end up in flea markets and yard sales. They don't become cherished heirlooms like those glorious beige monsters. The only exception being the Dreamcast, which has its own special reasons for the continued following, and the Gamecube, which still pops up from time to time, mostly because it's cute, not because of an inherit interest in the console (I'm actually on the look out for a cheap-o Gamecube so I can gut it and make a box).

Complaining that the Wii U isn't going to last 25 years... fuck. Systems just don't have that kind of life span. And even so, ask yourself this - What system do you think is going to be in use, by the most people, for the longest time, of the Wii U's 'generation?' It's definitely going to outlast the 360. The PS3... maybe that'll live a bit longer, but only as a Blu-Ray player. But even that's not for sure, as people move away from Blu-Ray and into the streaming services.

Is any discussion of Nintendo that is not glowingly positive going to get a hostile reaction from you?

I just typed up half a dozen complaints I have about the Wii U myself, and I'm sure I could scrounge up more if I was interested. Seriously, are you reading what I'm typing?

 

[WeepingAngels]

Why are you so damn hostile?

I have been lurking the Off Topic board and the Wild West board this week and that is probably the source of the hostility on Accursed Theory's part. It seems tensions are high among some and switching from one of those boards to the casual Game Discussion board may be easier than switching your mindset. Or maybe he just don't like to put up with people talking bad about the Wii U, but I doubt it.

One of my 'triggers' is when people don't bother to look shit up, then ignore the people who do. OP asked why the controllers aren't sold separately. I checked, and a) they do, and b) the reason they're expensive is because they're part of the console, not a peripheral.

But instead of acknowledging that, or arguing against that, new complaints just keep getting piled on. We go from from negative to negative, cruising past any sort of discussion in favor of finding new reasons to *****.

I have a Wii U, and let me tell you, there are a lot of things to complain about. Some of them are minor (The power supplies for both the console and the controller seem to need reseting more often then is reasonable, but seeing how easy that is to rectify, who really cares), some of them are huge (Developers, Nintendo mostly, forcing the Wii U's special controls into games even when it doesn't make much since. Their weird backwards compatibility solution, both digital and 'Wii Mode' wise. Being forced to re-buy games, because the Wii market, Wii U market, and 3DS market are all considered separate for some bizarre, retarded reason. Can't use the Gamepad to play Wii digital download games without a TV. So on and so forth).

But the console itself? Come on. Nintendonium is right up there with classic Nokia and Tonka-Certified plastic when it comes to toughness. The controller is considered the console when it comes to warranties and repair, so the lifespan of the system is pretty much guaranteed, well past the time when anyone will care. And it being expensive? I've never personally had to have any Nintendo hardware repaired, but I've known some people who have done it for obsolete systems. And it's always expensive, it's not like that's special for the Wii U.

Rant over. tl;dr - I'm annoyed by OPs handling of this thread. If anyone has an issue with my responses, blame me, not forum drama.

Buying a refurbished gamepad is alot more expensive than buying a new Classic Controller Pro, PS4 controller, N64 controller and so on, maybe three times or more expensive.

I just don't think you are understanding my point. This is going to hurt the Wii U in the resell market because the lack of controllers sold separately in stores means that alot fewer controllers were produced and that will mean as time goes on, the ones that are left will get more and more expensive making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Few people will be dropping $200 or more for a used Wii U in 5 years and few people will even bother replacing their broken gamepad for $150 for their existing Wii U.

This gives the Wii U a shorter tail, in 25 years people won't be buying Wii U's like they buy SNES's right now. Not only are their still plenty of first party SNES controllers out there (because they were sold separately in stores) but there are plenty of third party ones too. I hope that was a little clearer.

Is any discussion of Nintendo that is not glowingly positive going to get a hostile reaction from you?

In 25 years who cares?

In 25 years there wont be any working Xboxes or Playstations past 2 cause they are all junk. I have more confidence I will never need another Wii U, but Ive already been through multiple 360's, and my Xbox One is garbage out of the box.

Nintendo is the only company making hardware to last, but nowadays companies follow the Apple method of making trash that breaks just after warranty expires so you got to keep upgrading.

People still care about consoles as far back as the NES. A few people care about the 70's consoles too.

 

[WeepingAngels]

Spoiler

Why are you so damn hostile?

I have been lurking the Off Topic board and the Wild West board this week and that is probably the source of the hostility on Accursed Theory's part. It seems tensions are high among some and switching from one of those boards to the casual Game Discussion board may be easier than switching your mindset. Or maybe he just don't like to put up with people talking bad about the Wii U, but I doubt it.

One of my 'triggers' is when people don't bother to look shit up, then ignore the people who do. OP asked why the controllers aren't sold separately. I checked, and a) they do, and b) the reason they're expensive is because they're part of the console, not a peripheral.

But instead of acknowledging that, or arguing against that, new complaints just keep getting piled on. We go from from negative to negative, cruising past any sort of discussion in favor of finding new reasons to *****.

I have a Wii U, and let me tell you, there are a lot of things to complain about. Some of them are minor (The power supplies for both the console and the controller seem to need reseting more often then is reasonable, but seeing how easy that is to rectify, who really cares), some of them are huge (Developers, Nintendo mostly, forcing the Wii U's special controls into games even when it doesn't make much since. Their weird backwards compatibility solution, both digital and 'Wii Mode' wise. Being forced to re-buy games, because the Wii market, Wii U market, and 3DS market are all considered separate for some bizarre, retarded reason. Can't use the Gamepad to play Wii digital download games without a TV. So on and so forth).

But the console itself? Come on. Nintendonium is right up there with classic Nokia and Tonka-Certified plastic when it comes to toughness. The controller is considered the console when it comes to warranties and repair, so the lifespan of the system is pretty much guaranteed, well past the time when anyone will care. And it being expensive? I've never personally had to have any Nintendo hardware repaired, but I've known some people who have done it for obsolete systems. And it's always expensive, it's not like that's special for the Wii U.

Rant over. tl;dr - I'm annoyed by OPs handling of this thread. If anyone has an issue with my responses, blame me, not forum drama.

Buying a refurbished gamepad is alot more expensive than buying a new Classic Controller Pro, PS4 controller, N64 controller and so on, maybe three times or more expensive.

I just don't think you are understanding my point. This is going to hurt the Wii U in the resell market because the lack of controllers sold separately in stores means that alot fewer controllers were produced and that will mean as time goes on, the ones that are left will get more and more expensive making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Few people will be dropping $200 or more for a used Wii U in 5 years and few people will even bother replacing their broken gamepad for $150 for their existing Wii U.

This gives the Wii U a shorter tail, in 25 years people won't be buying Wii U's like they buy SNES's right now. Not only are their still plenty of first party SNES controllers out there (because they were sold separately in stores) but there are plenty of third party ones too. I hope that was a little clearer.

All of your complaints basically boil down to the assumption that the controllers are going to break down faster then the consoles. Way faster then the consoles. Which is speculation, at best. And the assumption that current systems are going to have a lasting interest that rivals the original systems, which... well, that's a weird thing to think. Pretty much every system after the SNES has lost it's following pretty fast - The systems end up in flea markets and yard sales. They don't become cherished heirlooms like those glorious beige monsters. The only exception being the Dreamcast, which has its own special reasons for the continued following, and the Gamecube, which still pops up from time to time, mostly because it's cute, not because of an inherit interest in the console (I'm actually on the look out for a cheap-o Gamecube so I can gut it and make a box).

Complaining that the Wii U isn't going to last 25 years... fuck. Systems just don't have that kind of life span. And even so, ask yourself this - What system do you think is going to be in use, by the most people, for the longest time, of the Wii U's 'generation?' It's definitely going to outlast the 360. The PS3... maybe that'll live a bit longer, but only as a Blu-Ray player. But even that's not for sure, as people move away from Blu-Ray and into the streaming services.

Is any discussion of Nintendo that is not glowingly positive going to get a hostile reaction from you?

I just typed up half a dozen complaints I have about the Wii U myself, and I'm sure I could scrounge up more if I was interested. Seriously, are you reading what I'm typing?

So now the attitude is. Oh, you're right WeepingAngels but no one will care in 25 years anyway?

Ok, I am done here.

 

[DefunctTheory]

Spoiler

Spoiler

Why are you so damn hostile?

I have been lurking the Off Topic board and the Wild West board this week and that is probably the source of the hostility on Accursed Theory's part. It seems tensions are high among some and switching from one of those boards to the casual Game Discussion board may be easier than switching your mindset. Or maybe he just don't like to put up with people talking bad about the Wii U, but I doubt it.

One of my 'triggers' is when people don't bother to look shit up, then ignore the people who do. OP asked why the controllers aren't sold separately. I checked, and a) they do, and b) the reason they're expensive is because they're part of the console, not a peripheral.

But instead of acknowledging that, or arguing against that, new complaints just keep getting piled on. We go from from negative to negative, cruising past any sort of discussion in favor of finding new reasons to *****.

I have a Wii U, and let me tell you, there are a lot of things to complain about. Some of them are minor (The power supplies for both the console and the controller seem to need reseting more often then is reasonable, but seeing how easy that is to rectify, who really cares), some of them are huge (Developers, Nintendo mostly, forcing the Wii U's special controls into games even when it doesn't make much since. Their weird backwards compatibility solution, both digital and 'Wii Mode' wise. Being forced to re-buy games, because the Wii market, Wii U market, and 3DS market are all considered separate for some bizarre, retarded reason. Can't use the Gamepad to play Wii digital download games without a TV. So on and so forth).

But the console itself? Come on. Nintendonium is right up there with classic Nokia and Tonka-Certified plastic when it comes to toughness. The controller is considered the console when it comes to warranties and repair, so the lifespan of the system is pretty much guaranteed, well past the time when anyone will care. And it being expensive? I've never personally had to have any Nintendo hardware repaired, but I've known some people who have done it for obsolete systems. And it's always expensive, it's not like that's special for the Wii U.

Rant over. tl;dr - I'm annoyed by OPs handling of this thread. If anyone has an issue with my responses, blame me, not forum drama.

Buying a refurbished gamepad is alot more expensive than buying a new Classic Controller Pro, PS4 controller, N64 controller and so on, maybe three times or more expensive.

I just don't think you are understanding my point. This is going to hurt the Wii U in the resell market because the lack of controllers sold separately in stores means that alot fewer controllers were produced and that will mean as time goes on, the ones that are left will get more and more expensive making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Few people will be dropping $200 or more for a used Wii U in 5 years and few people will even bother replacing their broken gamepad for $150 for their existing Wii U.

This gives the Wii U a shorter tail, in 25 years people won't be buying Wii U's like they buy SNES's right now. Not only are their still plenty of first party SNES controllers out there (because they were sold separately in stores) but there are plenty of third party ones too. I hope that was a little clearer.

All of your complaints basically boil down to the assumption that the controllers are going to break down faster then the consoles. Way faster then the consoles. Which is speculation, at best. And the assumption that current systems are going to have a lasting interest that rivals the original systems, which... well, that's a weird thing to think. Pretty much every system after the SNES has lost it's following pretty fast - The systems end up in flea markets and yard sales. They don't become cherished heirlooms like those glorious beige monsters. The only exception being the Dreamcast, which has its own special reasons for the continued following, and the Gamecube, which still pops up from time to time, mostly because it's cute, not because of an inherit interest in the console (I'm actually on the look out for a cheap-o Gamecube so I can gut it and make a box).

Complaining that the Wii U isn't going to last 25 years... fuck. Systems just don't have that kind of life span. And even so, ask yourself this - What system do you think is going to be in use, by the most people, for the longest time, of the Wii U's 'generation?' It's definitely going to outlast the 360. The PS3... maybe that'll live a bit longer, but only as a Blu-Ray player. But even that's not for sure, as people move away from Blu-Ray and into the streaming services.

Is any discussion of Nintendo that is not glowingly positive going to get a hostile reaction from you?

I just typed up half a dozen complaints I have about the Wii U myself, and I'm sure I could scrounge up more if I was interested. Seriously, are you reading what I'm typing?

So now the attitude is. Oh, you're right WeepingAngels but no one will care in 25 years anyway?

Ok, I am done here.

If that's how you want to spin it, fine. Yes, after cartwheeling all the way from 'The Wii U is about to become completely unsupported' to 'Despite our best efforts, the Wii U wont survive the heat death of the universe,' then yes, I guess you're right.

 

[kilenem]

Spoiler

Why are you so damn hostile?

I have been lurking the Off Topic board and the Wild West board this week and that is probably the source of the hostility on Accursed Theory's part. It seems tensions are high among some and switching from one of those boards to the casual Game Discussion board may be easier than switching your mindset. Or maybe he just don't like to put up with people talking bad about the Wii U, but I doubt it.

One of my 'triggers' is when people don't bother to look shit up, then ignore the people who do. OP asked why the controllers aren't sold separately. I checked, and a) they do, and b) the reason they're expensive is because they're part of the console, not a peripheral.

But instead of acknowledging that, or arguing against that, new complaints just keep getting piled on. We go from from negative to negative, cruising past any sort of discussion in favor of finding new reasons to *****.

I have a Wii U, and let me tell you, there are a lot of things to complain about. Some of them are minor (The power supplies for both the console and the controller seem to need reseting more often then is reasonable, but seeing how easy that is to rectify, who really cares), some of them are huge (Developers, Nintendo mostly, forcing the Wii U's special controls into games even when it doesn't make much since. Their weird backwards compatibility solution, both digital and 'Wii Mode' wise. Being forced to re-buy games, because the Wii market, Wii U market, and 3DS market are all considered separate for some bizarre, retarded reason. Can't use the Gamepad to play Wii digital download games without a TV. So on and so forth).

But the console itself? Come on. Nintendonium is right up there with classic Nokia and Tonka-Certified plastic when it comes to toughness. The controller is considered the console when it comes to warranties and repair, so the lifespan of the system is pretty much guaranteed, well past the time when anyone will care. And it being expensive? I've never personally had to have any Nintendo hardware repaired, but I've known some people who have done it for obsolete systems. And it's always expensive, it's not like that's special for the Wii U.

Rant over. tl;dr - I'm annoyed by OPs handling of this thread. If anyone has an issue with my responses, blame me, not forum drama.

Buying a refurbished gamepad is alot more expensive than buying a new Classic Controller Pro, PS4 controller, N64 controller and so on, maybe three times or more expensive.

I just don't think you are understanding my point. This is going to hurt the Wii U in the resell market because the lack of controllers sold separately in stores means that alot fewer controllers were produced and that will mean as time goes on, the ones that are left will get more and more expensive making the Wii U too expensive to be practical. Few people will be dropping $200 or more for a used Wii U in 5 years and few people will even bother replacing their broken gamepad for $150 for their existing Wii U.

This gives the Wii U a shorter tail, in 25 years people won't be buying Wii U's like they buy SNES's right now. Not only are their still plenty of first party SNES controllers out there (because they were sold separately in stores) but there are plenty of third party ones too. I hope that was a little clearer.

All of your complaints basically boil down to the assumption that the controllers are going to break down faster then the consoles. Way faster then the consoles. Which is speculation, at best. And the assumption that current systems are going to have a lasting interest that rivals the original systems, which... well, that's a weird thing to think. Pretty much every system after the SNES has lost it's following pretty fast - The systems end up in flea markets and yard sales. They don't become cherished heirlooms like those glorious beige monsters. The only exception being the Dreamcast, which has its own special reasons for the continued following, and the Gamecube, which still pops up from time to time, mostly because it's cute, not because of an inherit interest in the console (I'm actually on the look out for a cheap-o Gamecube so I can gut it and make a box).

Complaining that the Wii U isn't going to last 25 years... fuck. Systems just don't have that kind of life span. And even so, ask yourself this - What system do you think is going to be in use, by the most people, for the longest time, of the Wii U's 'generation?' It's definitely going to outlast the 360. The PS3... maybe that'll live a bit longer, but only as a Blu-Ray player. But even that's not for sure, as people move away from Blu-Ray and into the streaming services.

Is any discussion of Nintendo that is not glowingly positive going to get a hostile reaction from you?

I just typed up half a dozen complaints I have about the Wii U myself, and I'm sure I could scrounge up more if I was interested. Seriously, are you reading what I'm typing?

You should listen to how AVGN and Mother fucker mike got their NES collection. They had garbage bags of NES games bought from gamestop for 50 dollars. They got some rare games for super low prices. N64 games are going for Decent prices.
These games after SNES will probably go up latter. Especially nintendo and licensed games like MV3, Marvel Ultimate Alliance Gold Edition and Tsunoko v.s Capcom. Unlike PC games console games start up with less problems. To the point that its easier to run a emulator of a PS2 game then a PC game from ten years ago. Im still struggling to get Xmen legends 2 for PC, to run on windows ten. Got Xmen legends on a PS2 emulator to run fine. Hell if I had the PS2 disc I couldve ran that through the DVD drive

 

[Silvanus]

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately in stores, not even third party ones.

Well, you can get the pro controllers separately without much hassle, and much cheaper than the gamepads. Of course, a bunch of games do require the gamepad, but it's not quite all-or-nothing.

 

[WeepingAngels]

This is the first console that I know of that doesn't have controllers sold separately in stores, not even third party ones.

Well, you can get the pro controllers separately without much hassle, and much cheaper than the gamepads. Of course, a bunch of games do require the gamepad, but it's not quite all-or-nothing.

The Wii U itself requires the Gamepad, you can't adjust any of the settings without the Gamepad.

 

[Yoshi178]

You don't NEED a Gamepad. a Pro Controller controls the Wii U just fine as well.

The Wii U itself requires the Gamepad, you can't adjust any of the settings without the Gamepad.

no, no you don't.

 

[Yoshi178]

And? The Wii U, for better or worst, isn't like any other console.

Are we having a real conversation about the Wii U controller, which is obviously in a league all of its own, whether we like it or not, or is this just another 'Lets shit on Nintendo' thread?

i think we all know the answer to that considering who the OP is.

 

[WeepingAngels]

And? The Wii U, for better or worst, isn't like any other console.

Are we having a real conversation about the Wii U controller, which is obviously in a league all of its own, whether we like it or not, or is this just another 'Lets shit on Nintendo' thread?

i think we all know the answer to that considering who the OP is.

I am just a person trying to have a discussion. Who do you think I am though?

You don't NEED a Gamepad. a Pro Controller controls the Wii U just fine as well.

The Wii U itself requires the Gamepad, you can't adjust any of the settings without the Gamepad.

no, no you don't.

I shouldn't have to ask but you are baiting me. How does one make changes in the settings menu without the Gamepad?

 

[Asuka Soryu]

What settings menu are we talking about here specifically?

 

[WeepingAngels]

What settings menu are we talking about here specifically?

The Wii U system settings menu, the one where you change Wifi information, date/time, format/delete, etc....

 

[Tanis]

I'm sure, at some point, 3rd Party controllers will be made.

I also doubt that the NX won't be BC.
It wouldn't make any kind of damn sense to shoot the NX in the back like that.

I don't have a WiiU, I'm waiting for the NX.
But if the NX isn't BC with AT LEAST the WiiU, then I'm going to be a very late adopter.

 

[WeepingAngels]

I'm sure, at some point, 3rd Party controllers will be made.

I also doubt that the NX won't be BC.
It wouldn't make any kind of damn sense to shoot the NX in the back like that.

I don't have a WiiU, I'm waiting for the NX.
But if the NX isn't BC with AT LEAST the WiiU, then I'm going to be a very late adopter.

If 3rd party controllers were going to be made, it would have happened by now.

Right now we have no evidence that it will be BC and the rumors state that NX will take carts/cards, not discs. Further, Nintendo will not include a Gamepad with the NX as it would raise the price by atleast $100. Since the NX will have two screens, one would think that if it were BC, it would use it's handheld screen to simulate the Gamepad which would still mean that Nintendo will not keep manufacturing Gamepads after they discontinue the Wii U.

Don't like rumors? Fine but there is no evidence that NX will be backward compatible with Wii U. It may be BC with 3DS and DS though if it takes cards.

If you are thinking 'Nintendo has had console BC the last two generations, surely that will continue', think again. Not only did they remove the BC from the Wii in later revisions, they have witnessed the PS4 flying off the shelves even after abandoning BC. It's an expense they may decide to avoid.

 

[Tanis]

Nope, I don't like 'rumors', they're worthless.

That's why I said 'think', not 'I heard'.

I think it would be VERY stupid of Nintendo to make the NX non-BC, or at the very least make some kind of add-on that could plug into the NX to allow Wii/WiiU games to be played.

Is it likely?
Fuck if I know.

Nintendo never seems to do anything 'normal' these days.
XD

 

[Elvis Starburst]

You have a perfectly valid point, WeepingAngels. Refurbished gamepads being available or not, there's certainly a possibility that if those break, it'll thin out the Wii U's ability to sell in the later years. Of course, Nintendo warranties can go on for ages. If it's out of warranty, you do have to pay a fee to repair an item with them, but it's still doable. I don't think the question is if there are options to keep the Wii U gamepad alive and running well, since it is made to last. The issue is that they aren't being sold brand new on store shelves like regular controllers, and thus there is a much smaller amount of them being cycled about. If a gamepad breaks entirely, and someone doesn't want to shell out the money to buy another one, then the Wii U system's re-sale value plummets to the ground.

AccursedTheory, just calm down a little. You're not wrong, believe me. I just said in the above post that your points about warranties and options to keep the gamepad running well exist and are valid. That's not the point the OP was trying to make. The difference is thus, for EXAMPLE:
100,000 Wii U's sold. Thus, 100,000 gamepads are made.
Say that 5000 of the gamepads break by whatever means may cause this.
Now we are left with 95,000 systems with their gamepads intact.
Gamepads are expensive, and harder to come by brand new. Thus, this will make it hard to bring that number back to 100,000 fully operational Wii U systems. Refurbishing exists, yes. But again, it's kinda pricey, and some might not find it worth the effort.

Compare this to, for example:
100,000 SNES sold, complete with a controller alongside it.
5,000 controllers break.
Now we are left with 95,000 SNES systems with a controller.
SNES controllers are produced en mass, cheap to purchase, and very easy to obtain. Thus, it takes very little effort and much lesser cost to bring the number back to 100,000. People will have a much easier time replacing this. It's as integral to the system, and is also built to last, but is also much cheaper and easier to obtain.

This is the point the OP is trying to make. Due to the method of obtaining a new or refurbished gamepad, and it being extremely expensive, a lot of Wii U systems might just be left in the dust. Some might not find it worth replacing the gamepad, which will make it hard/impossible to sell the unit again. Because Nintendo has not made it easy to get a new gamepad like they would for a normal controller, the amount of gamepads in circulation is much closer to being the EXACT number of Wii U's being produced. While with a normal controller, the controllers could outnumber the console itself by the hundreds of thousands

 

[WeepingAngels]

Nope, I don't like 'rumors', they're worthless.

That's why I said 'think', not 'I heard'.

I think it would be VERY stupid of Nintendo to make the NX non-BC, or at the very least make some kind of add-on that could plug into the NX to allow Wii/WiiU games to be played.

Is it likely?
Fuck if I know.

Nintendo never seems to do anything 'normal' these days.
XD

It isn't likely in my opinion. They will ax BC before increasing the cost of the console, especially after watching Sony do it successfully.

 

[Elvis Starburst]

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I'm quoting you here because I forgot to do it in my post. I think you might find some value in the post I made above this one. I back you up, cause you're not wrong with your thoughts towards refurbished gamepads and warranties. But I put the OP's words in a different way that hopefully got his point across better. Please give it a look

 

[Headdrivehardscrew]

Ok consider this. The Wii U requires the Gamepad for some critical system functions and some games require it. Since the Gamepad is not sold separately won't we end up in a situation where the Wii U will become worthless as more and more Gamepads stop working?

I don't think they'll be 'worthless'. As a collector's item with quite some interesting exclusive titles to its name, it's not easily dismissable.

That said, I did sell my Wii U on way before the release of Bayonetta 2, and that was about a year after launch. Why? Because I just plain didn't like the concept of having what felt like a Playmobil knockoff Wacom tablet for one player and 'normal' controllers for other players. It just very quickly became annoying, and I felt the system to become a liability more than a fun investment.

I keep buying and refurbishing Wii units, as they offer great fun and usability, with little risk or hassle beyond the occasional dud blowing up.

To me, the Wii U will become interesting again once I can customize my touchy-feely 'player one' situation. I have boxes full of Wii parts and controllers, but every Wii U user I know still only has that one "Gamepad" and they just don't seem to age well. I don't mind custom hardware as long as it is easily replaceable in a cost-effective manner or serviceable after some knowledge transfer or trial-and-error. I don't think the Gamepad fits that bill.