Enjoyment is enjoyment, no matter who provides it.omega 616 said:
No by "Fair" you mean you want to read something that tells you what you want to hear. I'm one of your fellow gamers, and I have a surprise for you, many of the game reviewers who's reviews you've been reading are also gamers. So here's my review: It's kinda crappy. But I find some of the interactivity in the levels (playing ski ball, looking in the mirror for an ego boost) enjoyable. The objectifying women and small arsenal size detract from that though :/.Laurie Barnes said:
Here's another fact that may surprise you. Different people have different sense of taste. IF you enjoy it, good for you. Sometimes you like something most people hate. Sometimes you love something you know for a fact is crappy. The intelligent thing to do is to accept that it won't be everyone's cup of tea.
I'm getting sick of people pulling off this strawman argument. Like I said before in a similar thread, we aren't looking for the next Metal Gear Solid or some other game with a convoluted storyline that makes sense only to the people that penned it. To be frank, I wanted DNF to be something like Serious Sam, Painkiller, Vanquish (though that's a third-person shooter) or Bulletstorm, fast-paced games that discouraged the use of cover while rewarding massive points to those that can pull off combo kills, chain explosions, multiple point-blank kills and other awesomeness. I didn't expect DNF to have cover shooting mechanics (two weapon limit, regenerating health, etc.) with little cover to take advantage of. Ironically enough, Duke's ego meter regens with cowardice. And the game is missing the Mighty Boot, something harped on by Duke fans.Laurie Barnes said:
Oh you should be grateful they're comparing it to COD or Bulletstorm, because the reviewers who do compare it to DN3D find DNF even more of a disaster, if not a downright travesty.Laurie Barnes said:
Yes you did! You fucking loved every second of it!Zhukov said:
Fans of Duke Nukem 3D (when the series hit it's spike in fandom, although I remember playing the second 2D one -_-) wanted it to feel like a a sequel with 3D with it's design style intact (huge non linear levels, over the top weapons and stuff like that) well being a parody of today trends in media. It is just a game sucking on the tit of Halo and Call of Duty trying to be relevant for today's gamers, which makes the game derivative. Hell I could argue Time Shift was a better game with it's unique (But barely used if you ask me) time machinics. Most games are following a formula and isn't doing anything to stand out, and most fans of Duke were hoping this would be the game to break old troupes and show FPS's are more then running down a hall and sucking on your thumb. I don't know about you or most people but when I started FPS's I remember Doom on my old PC (you know when they were all white and not black...such a dark time), and I remember running in charging those stupid demons with every gun in my back. But people are more excepting of gameplay like this now a-days, like people feel two games makes it a challenge (it doesn't when the game is built around that in mind), the only challenge is forcing yourself to go against the game making it hard on yourself. Wolfenstain 3D gives me a machine gun, I'll use my bloody knife for a challenge. *sigh* I hate to sound like a hipster but lesser known game companies seem to wanna take more risks now a-days (A game like Izuna: Legend of the Unemployed Ninja my play on old games from early 90's dungeon crawlers but it's funny your playing as a lazy ninja haha, and that feels fresher then another dungeon crawler like Dark Spire). Gamers need to demand more uniqueness in gaming, and games need to stop being derivative and more unique, I don't wanna play a FPS where I can replace Pig Cops with Nazis.Nieroshai said:
Like the original Duke Nukem 3d compared to Wolfenstein 3d? The point remains that if DNF is a COD clone now, DN3d was a Wolfenstein clone then. Also, I don't care about the linearity because if I wanted a nonlinear shooter I'd pick up Fallout 3, and I thought I said this but with Mass Effect. Back to my question: if the linearity and weapons restrictions won't bother me, is there anything left to deter me from enjoying the game? I just want a funny over-the-top FPS to detract from beige and dying comrades and Nazi Covenant zombies. Alright, to rephrase: if I liked Halo 2, will I like this? 2 guns, recharging health, mostly linear, I get it.Arehexes said:
Well maybe you would like it, but other people didn't want it like this. Again to me it's derivative more so then anything else. And with all the games trying to suck on halo/call of duty these days it would be nice to have newer stuff. While you are right about Wolfenstein you are also wrong since Duke and Wolfenstein play different still (if anything Doom and Duke would be the same haha).Nieroshai said:
Because your friends' opinions differ from the reviewer consensus doesn't mean your friends represent the gaming collective and the reviewers are wrong. To be honest, I can see where the reviewers are coming from and I agree that Duke Nukem Forever just couldn't be good. I tried the demo and I didn't enjoy it. It just felt too tired and lifeless. From someone who played Duke Nukem Time To Kill, I expected so much more off-the-wall moments in the demo. It didn't feel like Duke was a satire of masculinity, it just felt like Duke was, well, a guy. It's not so much something for 18+ year olds to point and snigger at the satire, but rather something for early teens to giggle at while they play personally. Not to mention, I could feel there was a battle between old Duke ideals and gameplay elements and modern shooter ideals during the demo. From the lack of iron-sights, to the "duck behind a rock and wait until the jam has come out of your eyes". The demo felt too mediocre, even though I didn't expect much.Laurie Barnes said: