I'm very supportive of the community, but as said in Extra Credits (I'm guessing you'll have seen it), there are far too few games which use it well, as well as media as a whole
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Maybe if there weren't so many LGBT people who are flaming, in-your-face types...those stereotypes come from somewhere (cough)SanFranGayPrideParade(cough).Felstaff said:I think that's exactly what the LGBT community are pushing for? After all, LGBT people are human beings, yet are surprisingly absent from video games in general. Much like... women without gravity-defying chests, men whose arms aren't as big as my legs, anime characters that are anything but that creamy shade of white...Redweaver said:
Anyway.
Heterosexuality is constantly mashed in our faces in video games in general. We get it, Mario; you are attracted to Daisy! (or Peach? ...Both?) I just wish Nintendo wouldn't keep harping on about it. I mean, I like straight people. Some of my best friends are straight people. I just wish they'd stop rubbing my face in it! You're straight, all right! I get it!! Stop kissing in front of me! I don't wanna see that!
If there were more games where you have "Main_Character (who is, incidentally, gay)" rather than "Gay Main Character! He's Defined By His Gayness! He Will Charm You With His Spell of Lvl1 Flamboyancy Rainbow Ray", the overall perception of LGB's in the gaming community would be far more positive. (As I can't help but think that gay people have quite the, uh, negative image on the collective international consciousness. Can't for the life of me think why. I mean, it's only been, what, 2000(ish) years of oppression?)
I don't know really why the gamer population would view LGBT any differently than the general population. How do hot rodders, baseball fans, quilters, or stamp collectors view LGBT?
Having said that, I have no interest in it and while it doesn't bother me greatly to have it in games, it needs to be a choice and not mandatory. I wouldn't play Call of Gay Duty, for example.
Having said that, I have no interest in it and while it doesn't bother me greatly to have it in games, it needs to be a choice and not mandatory. I wouldn't play Call of Gay Duty, for example.
Personally, even though I am straight (not that I mean to imply that is the norm or that my views are not the norm for straight people) I have no issues with anybody's sexuality, because, to me, it is not who you are, but how you behave, that affects what I think of you. If anything, I find the fact that people can be so dismissive and suggest that one person (or group of people) is better than another because of their sexuality sickening. The one argument they use that really gets my goat is the "it''s unnatural". Seriously? If we we trying to be natural, then we'd be living in caves, wearing animal hides and fig leaves, with none of the advances in technology or science we have.
To save myself going off on one big time, let me put it this way:
"Love is love. Who it is between changes nothing."
And as for video games, besides Mass Effect and Sims, I do not know of any games with LGBT characters. And that is not right, if you ask me. That is four games (ME 1 & 2, Sims & Sims 2)out of the 100-ish I own (adittedly, some leave who the character is down to the player, and that's nice). There definitely need to be more games with LGBT characters.
To save myself going off on one big time, let me put it this way:
"Love is love. Who it is between changes nothing."
And as for video games, besides Mass Effect and Sims, I do not know of any games with LGBT characters. And that is not right, if you ask me. That is four games (ME 1 & 2, Sims & Sims 2)out of the 100-ish I own (adittedly, some leave who the character is down to the player, and that's nice). There definitely need to be more games with LGBT characters.
I think that it's great that the LGBT community is starting to be represented in videogames. I think that Dragon Age did a good job of allowing for a Gay, Bi or Lesbian option depending on who you play as. It wasn't important to the plot, but it fit well into the game.
I subscribe to the L part, and I have to say I quite liked Veronica in New Vegas. She was not defined by her sexuality, yet it still was an important part of who she was. That's my preferred way of handling this subject.
That said, I'd like to see a little more varied exposure in media, usually LGBT characters are just one big stereotype. And there are a few that keep coming back (like my personal "favourite", the lesbian sleeping with a guy).
That said, I'd like to see a little more varied exposure in media, usually LGBT characters are just one big stereotype. And there are a few that keep coming back (like my personal "favourite", the lesbian sleeping with a guy).
Well, it...exists. That's the issue at its most basic.klausaidon said:
Out of all developers, Bioware's the obvious frontrunner in any issue over LGBT characters in gaming. They let player characters choose their preference, and they don't skimp on the non-heterosexual options. They even avoided the relatively easy potential pitfall of simply making everyone bisexual for simplicity's sake, or by equating "bisexual" with "nymphomania." If a character sleeps around a lot, it's because of their personality, not their preference. Varric certainly gets around more than, say, Liara, even if the latter has a theoretically bigger pool of potential partners.
I feel like I ought to come up with a few gripes, though...ah, got one: Leliana. Unfortunate implications abound when encouraging someone to embrace their roots as a spy/assassin leads them to sleeping with other ladies and joining in on group "activities." With Alistair, hardening him (unavoidable double-entendre, sorry) just makes him willing to marry his half-brother's widow to ease political tensions.
I can not sat that I ever personally knew any of the mentioned categories, but my opinion is:
Being gay, lesbian or bisexual is fine with me (as long as gay guys don't try to make "moves" towards me), because it is their sexual prefference. Must I be disliked by other humans because I like black-haired women? Of course not.
I still think, that most humans must be straight, well, you know, so that kids would have both biological and mental connection to both of their parents.
Transgender though... *sigh*
Listen, my opinion is that if this person does not hide his/her state, then it's...well...managable.
But if this person, for the sake of example, lets call her Sam(born Samuel, now Samantha), meets a guy, a straight guy, and tells him that she women all the way, that means that she is LYING(yes LYING)to him in a very unrespectable manner. To make it simple, eventuall this guy will find out that he has been making out with another guy. In "already" female body, but still.
Imagine what kind of trauma the guy will get.
That is my opinon.
Being gay, lesbian or bisexual is fine with me (as long as gay guys don't try to make "moves" towards me), because it is their sexual prefference. Must I be disliked by other humans because I like black-haired women? Of course not.
I still think, that most humans must be straight, well, you know, so that kids would have both biological and mental connection to both of their parents.
Transgender though... *sigh*
Listen, my opinion is that if this person does not hide his/her state, then it's...well...managable.
But if this person, for the sake of example, lets call her Sam(born Samuel, now Samantha), meets a guy, a straight guy, and tells him that she women all the way, that means that she is LYING(yes LYING)to him in a very unrespectable manner. To make it simple, eventuall this guy will find out that he has been making out with another guy. In "already" female body, but still.
Imagine what kind of trauma the guy will get.
That is my opinon.
Honestly, dont see the fuss, if someone wants to date, marry or sleep with another human being, whats the issue? I lived with a gay flatmate for a year at uni and besides playing britney spears too loud when drunk, he was nicer than most of the straight guys who made fun of him for it.
Heck the some of the stuff ive heard said about the LGBT community is just stupid, like the extreme religious view where gayness is like a virus or something stupid like that...
Well im straight, so while its not my thing, i dont see why people object so strongly, its not like their making you watch or anything. Besides, i know a BDSM couple, after them LGBT seems kinda tame really, yet even thoguh to outsiders BDSM seems the more extreme, its often ignored and i dont see why, itd be an even better target, or is that cause when the bible and the like were written it hadnt been invented?
But really, why the LGBT's? There stuff thats a lot worse than they could ever be and i find they tend to be more tolerant and friendly than say the people attacking them, mind you the group telling them they will go to hell for their "deviant sexual ways" are the same ones who tell me the same for been atheist, so could be why i tend to side more with the GLBT lot than the group who seem to think their the source of all evil, but in my experiance their nice people, so i dont see the problem or why people hate them so much.
As for video games, well they crop up from time to time, but i dont think its really something thats been done a whole lot before, probably because theyd have homophobes trying to burn the door down before theyd finished announcing the new game with a gay lead...
Heck the some of the stuff ive heard said about the LGBT community is just stupid, like the extreme religious view where gayness is like a virus or something stupid like that...
Well im straight, so while its not my thing, i dont see why people object so strongly, its not like their making you watch or anything. Besides, i know a BDSM couple, after them LGBT seems kinda tame really, yet even thoguh to outsiders BDSM seems the more extreme, its often ignored and i dont see why, itd be an even better target, or is that cause when the bible and the like were written it hadnt been invented?
But really, why the LGBT's? There stuff thats a lot worse than they could ever be and i find they tend to be more tolerant and friendly than say the people attacking them, mind you the group telling them they will go to hell for their "deviant sexual ways" are the same ones who tell me the same for been atheist, so could be why i tend to side more with the GLBT lot than the group who seem to think their the source of all evil, but in my experiance their nice people, so i dont see the problem or why people hate them so much.
As for video games, well they crop up from time to time, but i dont think its really something thats been done a whole lot before, probably because theyd have homophobes trying to burn the door down before theyd finished announcing the new game with a gay lead...
That implies that there is something wrong with those who consider themselves "flaming". After how many years of being constantly told that you are wrong, disgusting, sinful, and must hide away an aspect of yourself that you consider important, can you blame someone for wanting to dance it out on a parade float? Regardless, whether one is a "straight gay" or can "pass" without being discriminated should not be something to cheer for- it should be understood that some people want to parade their sexuality because we live in a society that wants the exact opposite of that, and there is nothing wrong with them wanting to act in such a way.Redweaver said:Maybe if there weren't so many LGBT people who are flaming, in-your-face types...those stereotypes come from somewhere (cough)SanFranGayPrideParade(cough).Felstaff said:I think that's exactly what the LGBT community are pushing for? After all, LGBT people are human beings, yet are surprisingly absent from video games in general. Much like... women without gravity-defying chests, men whose arms aren't as big as my legs, anime characters that are anything but that creamy shade of white...Redweaver said:
Anyway.
Heterosexuality is constantly mashed in our faces in video games in general. We get it, Mario; you are attracted to Daisy! (or Peach? ...Both?) I just wish Nintendo wouldn't keep harping on about it. I mean, I like straight people. Some of my best friends are straight people. I just wish they'd stop rubbing my face in it! You're straight, all right! I get it!! Stop kissing in front of me! I don't wanna see that!
If there were more games where you have "Main_Character (who is, incidentally, gay)" rather than "Gay Main Character! He's Defined By His Gayness! He Will Charm You With His Spell of Lvl1 Flamboyancy Rainbow Ray", the overall perception of LGB's in the gaming community would be far more positive. (As I can't help but think that gay people have quite the, uh, negative image on the collective international consciousness. Can't for the life of me think why. I mean, it's only been, what, 2000(ish) years of oppression?)
Maybe if there weren't so many Brazilians who are flaming, in-your-face types...those stereotypes come from somewhere (cough)RioCarnival(cough).Redweaver said:
Basically, if you judge an entire peoples by a single annual event (of sheer positivity, nonetheless) then you get a very, very inaccurate picture of that group.
It's like that time I visited the United States during Mardi Gras. I came away wishing that all Americans would just stop travelling everywhere on floats. Geez, don't you guys have regular cars in your country? And put on normal clothes!
(For clarity, I am a heterosexual male)Kanlic said:
How can you say Bisexuality doesn't exist? It's not a cultural identity so much as it is a simple grouping:
Attracted to members of the opposite gender? Heterosexual.
Attracted to members of the same gender? Homosexual.
Attracted to members of both genders? Bisexual.
Denying that it exists seems... odd.
Well I find that the people who play games and are in and way predujiced tend to just play CoD, Battlefield, AC and Fifa (or I suppose Madden if you're across the pond), it seems to me that the more hardcore or varied a gamer's interests, the more open minded they are. Although I'm basing the latter part on only a couple people, but the former part on the majority of my school.
Read through all his posts, nothing but contradicting messages and bad psychiatry.Nokshor said:
I find this quite funny, you see, I've been to parties with girls like that before, and yeah, I turned to mate of mine (I'm male as is he) and said, "You wanna do it too," and lo and behold just as the girls had a couple of guys watching we got a couple of girls watching.Kanlic said:
I consider my self bi-curious, as in, I know I'm into girls, currently in a relation ship that's closing in on the two year marker. And I want to see what it's like with guys, best part is my girl friend has no problem with this as long as I have no problem with her seeing what it's like with girls.